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Wikileaks show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq-With Surprising Results

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The Wikileaks leak may not have the happy ending that some folks are hoping for. If this turns out to be solid information, it will blow the lid off the anti-war movement's agenda.

By late 2003, even the Bush White House’s staunchest defenders were starting to give up on the idea that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

But for years afterward, WikiLeaks’ newly-released Iraq war documents reveal, U.S. troops continued to find chemical weapons labs, encounter insurgent specialists in toxins, and uncover weapons of mass destruction



Read More WikiLeaks Show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq – With Surprising Results | Danger Room | Wired.com
 

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The Wikileaks leak may not have the happy ending that some folks are hoping for. If this turns out to be solid information, it will blow the lid off the anti-war movement's agenda.


Hmmm from the article:

An initial glance at the WikiLeaks war logs doesn’t reveal evidence of some massive WMD program by the Saddam Hussein regime — the Bush administration’s most (in)famous rationale for invading Iraq. But chemical weapons, especially, did not vanish from the Iraqi battlefield. Remnants of Saddam’s toxic arsenal, largely destroyed after the Gulf War, remained. Jihadists, insurgents and foreign (possibly Iranian) agitators turned to these stockpiles during the Iraq conflict — and may have brewed up their own deadly agents.

Read More WikiLeaks Show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq – With Surprising Results | Danger Room | Wired.com

It doesn't seem to support Bush's reasons for invading.
 

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Also from the article; WMD's were found. We've been told by the anti-war folks that there were no WMD's in Iraq and that Bush lied about their existance.

In August 2004, for instance, American forces surreptitiously purchased what they believed to be containers of liquid sulfur mustard, a toxic “blister agent” used as a chemical weapon since World War I. The troops tested the liquid, and “reported two positive results for blister.” The chemical was then “triple-sealed and transported to a secure site” outside their base.

Nearly three years later, American troops were still finding WMD in the region. An armored Buffalo vehicle unearthed a cache of artillery shells “that was covered by sacks and leaves under an Iraqi Community Watch checkpoint. “The 155mm rounds are filled with an unknown liquid, and several of which are leaking a black tar-like substance.” Initial tests were inconclusive. But later, “the rounds tested positive for mustard.”
 

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Also from the article; WMD's were found. We've been told by the anti-war folks that there were no WMD's in Iraq and that Bush lied about their existance.

No, we were told there were STOCKPILES of WMDs, none of those STOCKPILES were found.

I don't think Bush lied to get us into Iraq, but I do think he made his decisions based on weak analysis and information.
 

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No, we were told there were STOCKPILES of WMDs, none of those STOCKPILES were found.

I don't think Bush lied to get us into Iraq, but I do think he made his decisions based on weak analysis and information.

The claim by anti-war nuts is that there are no WMDs in Iraq, not there are no stockpiles of WMDs.
 

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We went to war in Iraq mostly because we believed there were stockpiles, warehouses full of WMDs including Chemical and Biological weapons which Saddam was going to use in new wars as well as sell off to terrorist groups, along with a brand new nuclear program which was extremely close to making a bomb. That didn't exist, and there's no denying it.

What did exist was small amount of chems left over which have occasionally be used in attacks against US troops, however no biological and obviously no nuclear attacks have occurred. What's important to remember is that what was promised by Bush was not what was delivered.

Also the majority of chem attacks that have occurred in Iraq were home brewed and normally used off the self legal chemicals. For example many insurgents attempted to use IEDs or bombs which mixed Bleach and Ammonia, it wasn't very effective because the range was small and required the soldier to remain in that spot for a long time. Basically it was about as effective as the Mustard gas used in WW1, but even less so because soldiers weren't stuck in a trench.
 

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Mustard and blister agents are not WMDs lol.

Bush on WMDs:

"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."

False.

Bush on Yellow Cake Uranium:

On the basis of these documents and other indicators, the governments of the United States and the United Kingdom asserted that Iraq had attempted to procure nuclear material for the purpose of creating what they called weapons of mass destruction, referred to as WMD, in defiance of the United Nations Iraq sanctions.

False.

Anybody who thinks mustard gas and blister agent are some of the most 'lethal weapons ever devised' has obviously never heard of agent orange, AQ Khan's thermonuclear technology, NK's plutonium bombs and all the others held by Syria, Libya, Saudi Arabia etc. Seriously, Iraq was a crippled little bull**** state we managed to overthrow in 3 weeks.
 

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These Wikileaks are great, apparently, as long as they make Bush look bad.

wikileaks is not required for that
but it should cause those foolish enough to defend his stupidity to engage in some self reflection
 

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Its clear that the US was wrong on 90-95% of the case it made to the world at the UN given by Colin Powell, whether or not there was a deliberate attempt by someone in the government or the government as a whole or just the Executive to lie and decisive the American people and the world remains up for debate.

However its extremely clear and obvious the information given as being "undoubtedly accurate" was wrong in the extreme. Video 4/8 is extremely clear exactly how wrong we were.

 

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wikileaks is not required for that
but it should cause those foolish enough to defend his stupidity to engage in some self reflection

Yeah. You didn't miss the point entirely or anything.
 

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Yeah. You didn't miss the point entirely or anything.

but it would appear you felt the sting of a point i made, in response
 

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but it would appear you felt the sting of a point i made, in response

Good God. I have no desire to scurry around the playground yet again with your usual "I know you are, but what am I?" responses. Grow up.
 

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Good God. I have no desire to scurry around the playground yet again with your usual "I know you are, but what am I?" responses. Grow up.
i can appreciate why you object to a rejoinder, where a point was made in the absence of one by you
but just in case your forgot the nature of your "mature" post, here it is:
Yeah. You didn't miss the point entirely or anything.
and to make my point again, the shrub did not need wikileaks to prove he was an incompetent president, especially with regard to things international, such as iraq ... and domestic, as in katrina
 

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Yep. Because your response indicated you missed the point. You still haven't picked up on it, either.
 

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No, we were told there were STOCKPILES of WMDs, none of those STOCKPILES were found.

I don't think Bush lied to get us into Iraq, but I do think he made his decisions based on weak analysis and information.

Obviously stockpiles were there. We were told that Bush lied and no WMD's existed in Iraq.
 

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Mustard and blister agents are not WMDs lol.

Bush on WMDs:



False.

Bush on Yellow Cake Uranium:



False.

Anybody who thinks mustard gas and blister agent are some of the most 'lethal weapons ever devised' has obviously never heard of agent orange, AQ Khan's thermonuclear technology, NK's plutonium bombs and all the others held by Syria, Libya, Saudi Arabia etc. Seriously, Iraq was a crippled little bull**** state we managed to overthrow in 3 weeks.

They are NBC weapons, i.e. they're WMD's.

Blister agents, when inhaled, cause blister inside your lungs, which burst, filling your lung with fluid, causing you to drown. This all happens within a few minutes.

Agent orange is a friggin' herbacide!

Biiiiiiiig difference.
 
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If you listen to what was said we'd find there, compared to what was actually found. You'd see that we were almost entirely wrong. Watch Colin Powell Apdst
 

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They are NBC weapons, i.e. they're WMD's.

We were supposedly supposed to find the real goods, like Iraq used in the early 1980s while we supported it.

If a little mustard gas is good enough for you, and it was worth thousands of our lives and a trillion dollars, then you win. Congradulations.
 

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Mustard and blister agents are not WMDs lol.

Bush on WMDs:



False.

Bush on Yellow Cake Uranium:



False.

Anybody who thinks mustard gas and blister agent are some of the most 'lethal weapons ever devised' has obviously never heard of agent orange, AQ Khan's thermonuclear technology, NK's plutonium bombs and all the others held by Syria, Libya, Saudi Arabia etc. Seriously, Iraq was a crippled little bull**** state we managed to overthrow in 3 weeks.

This is 100% true. But not only a crippled state, also one that we had held contained since 1991.

There are still people who believe invading Iraq again was worth it. You can show them in print that we were wrong, even show video of President Bush saying we were wrong, but the diehards just have the need to believe it was the only way to go, I guess.
 

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They are NBC weapons, i.e. they're WMD's.

Blister agents, when inhaled, cause blister inside your lungs, which burst, filling your lung with fluid, causing you to drown. This all happens within a few minutes.

Agent orange is a friggin' herbacide!

Biiiiiiiig difference.

Tell that to the Vietnamese:

Agent-orange-deformities-vietnam.jpg


According to Vietnamese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, 4.8 million Vietnamese people were exposed to Agent Orange, resulting in 400,000 people being killed or maimed, and 500,000 children born with birth defects.[11]
 
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