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Why Westerners Are Never Told Why They Are Attacked

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I thought that this was a pretty good read:

Why Westerners Are Never Told Why They're Attacked
Islamic terrorism is the bitter fruit of a century of failed Western intervention in the Middle East
By Joe Lauria
June 13, 2016
Why Westerners Are Never Told Why They're Attacked - The Duran

So why won’t Western officials and corporate media take the jihadists’ statements of intent at face value? Why won’t they really tell their citizens why they are attacked?

It seems to be an effort to cover up a long and ever more intense history of Western military and political intervention in the Middle East and the violent reactions it provokes, reactions that put innocent Western lives at risk. Indirect Western culpability in these terrorist acts is routinely suppressed, let alone evidence of direct Western involvement with terrorism.

Calm
 
I thought that this was a pretty good read:

Why Westerners Are Never Told Why They're Attacked
Islamic terrorism is the bitter fruit of a century of failed Western intervention in the Middle East
By Joe Lauria
June 13, 2016
Why Westerners Are Never Told Why They're Attacked - The Duran

So why won’t Western officials and corporate media take the jihadists’ statements of intent at face value? Why won’t they really tell their citizens why they are attacked?

It seems to be an effort to cover up a long and ever more intense history of Western military and political intervention in the Middle East and the violent reactions it provokes, reactions that put innocent Western lives at risk. Indirect Western culpability in these terrorist acts is routinely suppressed, let alone evidence of direct Western involvement with terrorism.

Calm

What exactly was new in that article? The questions are different and the first one to answer would be, what you want to do about it.
 
I thought that this was a pretty good read:

Why Westerners Are Never Told Why They're Attacked
Islamic terrorism is the bitter fruit of a century of failed Western intervention in the Middle East
By Joe Lauria
June 13, 2016
Why Westerners Are Never Told Why They're Attacked - The Duran

So why won’t Western officials and corporate media take the jihadists’ statements of intent at face value? Why won’t they really tell their citizens why they are attacked?

It seems to be an effort to cover up a long and ever more intense history of Western military and political intervention in the Middle East and the violent reactions it provokes, reactions that put innocent Western lives at risk. Indirect Western culpability in these terrorist acts is routinely suppressed, let alone evidence of direct Western involvement with terrorism.

Calm

What I think is funny is the long line of people insisting that no one ever says this.
 
What I think is funny is the long line of people insisting that no one ever says this.

I have been watching MSNBC (Morning Joe) and CNN (Jake Tapper) since this happened and all I ever saw was a whole pile of Americans wallowing in their self pity with the "Somebody Feel Sorry For Us" trip.

Not once in 3 days has any of the TV shows mentioned above ever talked about Blowback. Not once.

Americans play the same media game as Israel does.

We were just going about our daily lives, and drinking our Coca Cola and tending our sheep, and for some unknown "Rational" reason, we were attacked.

Calm
 
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I thought that this was a pretty good read:

Why Westerners Are Never Told Why They're Attacked
Islamic terrorism is the bitter fruit of a century of failed Western intervention in the Middle East
By Joe Lauria
June 13, 2016
Why Westerners Are Never Told Why They're Attacked - The Duran

So why won’t Western officials and corporate media take the jihadists’ statements of intent at face value? Why won’t they really tell their citizens why they are attacked?

It seems to be an effort to cover up a long and ever more intense history of Western military and political intervention in the Middle East and the violent reactions it provokes, reactions that put innocent Western lives at risk. Indirect Western culpability in these terrorist acts is routinely suppressed, let alone evidence of direct Western involvement with terrorism.

Calm

In other words, you think we should do what the terrorists want? And if we don't it's our own damn fault?
 
In other words, you think we should do what the terrorists want? And if we don't it's our own damn fault?

If you don't convert to Wahhabi Islam, you've only yourself to blame.


Mind you, an entire chorus of voices insist that's not what they meant. The meant that lack of US involvement in world affairs would result in changing the fundamental nature of this movement :roll:
 
I have been watching MSNBC (Morning Joe) and CNN (Jake Tapper) since this happened and all I ever saw was a whole pile of Americans wallowing in their self pity with the "Somebody Feel Sorry For Us" trip.

Not once in 3 days has any of the TV shows mentioned above ever talked about Blowback. Not once.

Americans play the same media game as Israel does.

We were just going about our daily lives, and drinking our Coca Cola and tending our sheep, and for some unknown "Rational" reason, we were attacked.

Calm

:shrug: I don't know if I'd call this guy rational. He appears to have been a nutcase.
 
In other words, you think we should do what the terrorists want? And if we don't it's our own damn fault?

Although the history of America bombing the Middle East while seeking to control it, is long time in the making, ..... let's just consider that this "Blowback" started with the illegal invasion of Iraq.

A complete generation of Arabs across the Middle East have had their dreams destroyed by drones.

If I had of been in grade school at the time of Bush's war on terror in the Middle East began, I would be seething mad as I looked forward to a future of literally nothing because of no education. In every single country the U.S. set out to deliberately destroy the infrastructure and bring the countries to their knees.

You would expect the Arabs to take this sitting down?

I thought that this article was pretty good too.

U.S. Policy and the Geopolitical Dynamics of the Middle East
By Chas Freeman
June 09, 2016
U.S. Policy and the Geopolitical Dynamics of the Middle East

Calm
 
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So why won’t Western officials and corporate media take the jihadists’ statements of intent at face value? Why won’t they really tell their citizens why they are attacked?

It seems to be an effort to cover up a long and ever more intense history of Western military and political intervention in the Middle East and the violent reactions it provokes, reactions that put innocent Western lives at risk. Indirect Western culpability in these terrorist acts is routinely suppressed, let alone evidence of direct Western involvement with terrorism.

Calm

Only someone who has lived under a rock for the last 40 years would be unaware of the American genesis from "Shining Example of Liberty" to "Great Satan" in the Middle East.

Americans already know, which is why they don't need to be re-told over and over.
 
If they’d published this last week, they’d have a good standing for starting a serious debate about the deeper causes of terrorism. Published today it looks like crass commercial opportunism. Right or wrong, this isn’t going to turn the people obsessing over the scraps of information from the Orlando attack on to an in depth assessment of a couple of centuries worth of Middle Eastern politics. It’ll get hits and earn advertising revenue though.
 
If you don't convert to Wahhabi Islam, you've only yourself to blame.


Mind you, an entire chorus of voices insist that's not what they meant. The meant that lack of US involvement in world affairs would result in changing the fundamental nature of this movement :roll:

And if anybody actually believes that I've got a nice stretch of beachfront land in Montana I want to sell them :roll:
 
Although the history of America bombing the Middle East while seeking to control it, is long time in the making, ..... let's just consider that this "Blowback" started with the illegal invasion of Iraq.

A complete generation of Arabs across the Middle East have had their dreams destroyed by drones.

If I had of been in grade school at the time of Bush's war on terror in the Middle East began, I would be seething mad as I looked forward to a future of literally nothing because of no education. In every single country the U.S. set out to deliberately destroy the infrastructure and bring the countries to their knees.

You would expect the Arabs to take this sitting down?

I thought that this article was pretty good too.

U.S. Policy and the Geopolitical Dynamics of the Middle East
By Chas Freeman
June 09, 2016
U.S. Policy and the Geopolitical Dynamics of the Middle East

Calm

Poor Saddam. All he wanted was to be left alone to gas the Kurds and everybody who didn't follow the right form of Islam in peace. Then that big meanie the USA showed up and stopped him, first from making a blantant land grab, and then to overthrow him. It's tough being a dicatator.

I didn't expect the Arabs to "take this sitting down" :roll:

I expected them to show a bit---even a tiny bit--- of honor and not go after innocent civilians. But then again, I wouldn't expect you to understand the concept.
 
Poor Saddam. All he wanted was to be left alone to gas the Kurds and everybody who didn't follow the right form of Islam in peace.

Is that the only excuse yuh got for totally destroying the Middle East and setting it back to the stone age?

I think you are simply attempting to defend the indefensible.

Just how many innocent civilians do you think or calculate that the U.S. killed in the Middle East since 9-11?

Millions upon millions of refugees, millions of homeless and jobless plus hundreds of thousands of dead bodies.

And the People of the Middle East should be thankful?

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25 Tons of Bombs Wipe Afghan Town Off Map
The destruction of Tarok Kolache
“‘It became necessary to destroy the town to save it.’”
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2011/01/tarok-kolache.png
25 Tons of Bombs Wipe Afghan Town Off Map [Updated] | WIRED
Inter Press Service | News and Views from the Global South


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Calm
 
I thought that this was a pretty good read:

Why Westerners Are Never Told Why They're Attacked
Islamic terrorism is the bitter fruit of a century of failed Western intervention in the Middle East
By Joe Lauria
June 13, 2016
Why Westerners Are Never Told Why They're Attacked - The Duran

So why won’t Western officials and corporate media take the jihadists’ statements of intent at face value? Why won’t they really tell their citizens why they are attacked?

It seems to be an effort to cover up a long and ever more intense history of Western military and political intervention in the Middle East and the violent reactions it provokes, reactions that put innocent Western lives at risk. Indirect Western culpability in these terrorist acts is routinely suppressed, let alone evidence of direct Western involvement with terrorism.

Calm

They are told, but people simply do not care. They think with the lowest level of brain cells necessary and if there are people shouting loud that everything is the fault of Muhammed and Allah and the backward goat loving morons from the Arabic part of our world, than the total message just gets snowed under/ignored.
 
Is that the only excuse yuh got for totally destroying the Middle East and setting it back to the stone age?

I think you are simply attempting to defend the indefensible.

Just how many innocent civilians do you think or calculate that the U.S. killed in the Middle East since 9-11?

Millions upon millions of refugees, millions of homeless and jobless plus hundreds of thousands of dead bodies.

And the People of the Middle East should be thankful?

Calm

"Totally destroying the Middle East and setting it back to the Stone Age"

In case you missed it, I would think guys like Bashir Al-Assad might have something to do with that:roll:

After all, if they weren't murderous tyrants, they wouldn't be destroying their own countries to keep the bulk of the populace from throwing them out.

How many innocent civilians have been killed by groups like ISIS, AQ, Hezbollah and the like? Far more then have been killed by US forces, that's for sure.

While you might enjoy living under Assad, Saddam, or the Taliban, most middle easterners don't.
 
In case you missed it, I would think guys like Bashir Al-Assad might have something to do with that

Bashir Al-Assad might of just done what American government agencies did in 1985.

In 1985, a police helicopter dropped two bombs on their compound, which was a row house in the middle of Osage Avenue. This killed eleven MOVE members, including five children.

Fire also destroyed 65 houses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE

Calm
 
Bashir Al-Assad might of just done what American government agencies did in 1985.

In 1985, a police helicopter dropped two bombs on their compound, which was a row house in the middle of Osage Avenue. This killed eleven MOVE members, including five children.

Fire also destroyed 65 houses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE

Calm

You do realize MOVE was a group which routinely harassed the neighbors, shot at police, and generally acted in an completely irresponsible manner, right?

That in no way justifies Assad's actions against the people of Syria.

If the US Air Force had been indiscrimately bombing Philadelphia, that's one thing. But that was not the case. You are attempting to excuse the actions of a dictator whose probably been more responsible then any other single person for the bloodshed in Syria.
 
Bashir Al-Assad might of just done what American government agencies did in 1985.

In 1985, a police helicopter dropped two bombs on their compound, which was a row house in the middle of Osage Avenue. This killed eleven MOVE members, including five children.

Fire also destroyed 65 houses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE

Calm

So here's an idea. Don't fly planes into our ****ing buildings and kill our families and communities and we won't bomb your country back to the stone age (was the desert really that far from the stone age to begin with? Nobody seems to mention this as you like to say).
Don't act like animals and we won't treat you like the savages you are.
And if you find yourself feeling bad then stop sympathizing with monsters who think its Ok to gas their own people, mutilate their own women, and strap ****ing bombs to their own children.
Wake up and smell the savagery.
Sympathy for terrorists is like sympathy for serial killers. It only leads to bad places.
 
Is that the only excuse yuh got for totally destroying the Middle East and setting it back to the stone age?

I think you are simply attempting to defend the indefensible.

Just how many innocent civilians do you think or calculate that the U.S. killed in the Middle East since 9-11?

Millions upon millions of refugees, millions of homeless and jobless plus hundreds of thousands of dead bodies.

And the People of the Middle East should be thankful?

Afghanistan-Photo-VillageOfTarokKolache-AirStrikes-October2010-WipedOffTheMapJanuary13-2011.png

25 Tons of Bombs Wipe Afghan Town Off Map
The destruction of Tarok Kolache
“‘It became necessary to destroy the town to save it.’”
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2011/01/tarok-kolache.png
25 Tons of Bombs Wipe Afghan Town Off Map [Updated] | WIRED
Inter Press Service | News and Views from the Global South


US-Military-Photo-Compare-Iraq-Libya-Yemen-Syria-BeforeAndAfterBombingNovember29-2015.jpg

http://media.peakprosperity.com/images/MENA-before-and-after-2015-11-29.jpg


Libya-Comparison-2Photos-LibyaWithGaddafi-LibyaWithAmericanDemocracy2012.jpg



MiddleEast-ThankYouDemocracy-BeforeAndAfter-Libya-Afghanistan-SyriaDecember2015.jpg




Calm

:roll:

So Arabs don't deserve democracy? They should just stick with whatever dictator they haven right?

In Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, and Syria if the dictators had peacefully given up power there would be far less devastation.
 
You are attempting to excuse the actions of a dictator whose probably been more responsible then any other single person for the bloodshed in Syria.

What is happening in Syria is Syria's problem.

I don't live in Syria, and I am left reading American propaganda to reach conclusions as to how large the protests were and what foreign NGO's were financially supporting the protesters and if any were armed.

All, I do know for certain is that the government of Syria should be left to deal with internal security matters without interference. In the same way that the Americans are not interfering in Saudi Arabia or Bahrain or Egypt as examples.

Who Are Americans To Think That Freedom Is Theirs To Spread?

Calm
 
What is happening in Syria is Syria's problem.

I don't live in Syria, and I am left reading American propaganda to reach conclusions as to how large the protests were and what foreign NGO's were financially supporting the protesters and if any were armed.

All, I do know for certain is that the government of Syria should be left to deal with internal security matters without interference. In the same way that the Americans are not interfering in Saudi Arabia or Bahrain or Egypt as examples.

Who Are Americans To Think That Freedom Is Theirs To Spread?

Calm

Oh. My. ****ing. God.

This is just sad.

You'll say or believe anything so long as it supports a government which is anti American, won't you.

"Internal security matters".

So if tomorrow the US government decided to napalm a group of protesters, you wouldn't complain, right? After all, it's an "internal security matter".
 
So Arabs don't deserve democracy? They should just stick with whatever dictator they haven right?
In Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, and Syria if the dictators had peacefully given up power there would be far less devastation.

Are you suggesting that America brought Democracy to anywhere in the Middle East?

It is a joke.

This is what "American" imposed democracy looks like .....

"The Afghan president (A Western Puppet) appoints the governors of each province and district, the mayor of every town, every provincial chief of police, one third of the entire Senate, and even every judge in Afghanistan."

In Iraq, there is a CIA agent in every ministry.

Let's get serious eh?

Calm
 
Are you suggesting that America brought Democracy to anywhere in the Middle East?

It is a joke.

This is what "American" imposed democracy looks like .....

"The Afghan president (A Western Puppet) appoints the governors of each province and district, the mayor of every town, every provincial chief of police, one third of the entire Senate, and even every judge in Afghanistan."

In Iraq, there is a CIA agent in every ministry.

Let's get serious eh?

Calm

Afghanistan and Iraq are both still works in progress. After so many years of dictatorship, it takes time and effort. You can't expect them to instantly become the Germany of the Middle East.

But I'm forgetting. The Ba'ath party was anti American, and that's all the reason you need to support them. You could give a damn about the people of Iraq or Afghanistan
 
You mean that we should interfere and supply the nerve gas to dictators like America did with Saddam to use on the Kurds and against Iranians?

Calm

As I recall, we overthrew Saddam--- which, of course, your complaining about.

What's the matter--- cognitive dissonance too much to handle?

After all, the US is supposed to be supporting dicatatorships, not overthrowing them, right?
 
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