Navy Pride
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Navy Pride said:John Kerry said in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee under oath that he personally took part in burning villages and killing civilians in free fire zones in Nam in 1971.........
Now if that is true, why was he not indicted and charged with war crimes Like Lt Calley was and if its not true why was he not indicted and charged with perjury for lying under oath?
Iriemon said:I give up. Why wasn't he?
Navy Pride said:That is the 64 dollar question my friend........The left want to indict Rove for no crime and here is a guy who is either and admitted war criminal or someone who has committed perjury in a time of war..........
Iriemon said:The vast left-wing conspiracy?
Navy Pride said:John Kerry said in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee under oath that he personally took part in burning villages and killing civilians in free fire zones in Nam in 1971.........
Now if that is true, why was he not indicted and charged with war crimes Like Lt Calley was and if its not true why was he not indicted and charged with perjury for lying under oath?
I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with full awareness of officers at all levels of command.
It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit, the emotions in the room, the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam, but they did. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.
They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, rased villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country. . . .
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/graphics/Kerry_1971_Testimony.pdf
Navy Pride said:Not true aps, under oath he testified that he razzed and burned villages in no fire zones......The link has been posted in this forum many times..........I will try and find it for you again when I have a chance..................
I also saw a tape of him saying just that..........Why he did not get called on it I will never know...The only thing I can think of is the democrats controlled the senate in 1971 and would not push it........
Navy Pride said:Not true aps, under oath he testified that he razzed and burned villages in no fire zones......The link has been posted in this forum many times..........I will try and find it for you again when I have a chance..................
I also saw a tape of him saying just that..........Why he did not get called on it I will never know...The only thing I can think of is the democrats controlled the senate in 1971 and would not push it........
Did Rove do things 30+ years ago or has he done something more contemporary? If it's 30+ years ago, then you've got a comparison. Otherwise it's apples and oranges and even then, Rove is not an elected official whereas Kerry is, so the comparison even grows further apart.Navy Pride said:That is the 64 dollar question my friend........The left want to indict Rove for no crime and here is a guy who is either and admitted war criminal or someone who has committed perjury in a time of war..........
In what would be an unprecedented event, retired Maj. James Hawkins could face a military court-martial regarding his actions commanding a platoon known as Tiger Force that killed hundreds of unarmed men, women, and children 37 years ago, The Blade has learned.
As the scope of war crimes in Vietnam becomes a key question in the presidential election, the military lawyer recommended this spring that Army officials charge Mr. Hawkins, who led Tiger Force between July and November, 1967.
The recommendation came during a broader Army review of Tiger Force prompted by a four-part series in The Blade in October. The series revealed the platoon's seven-month rampage through Vietnam's Central Highlands in 1967.
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Mr. Hawkins was among 18 former Tiger Force soldiers accused by Army investigators of crimes ranging from murder and assault to dereliction of duty during a 4 1/2-year Army investigation between 1971 and 1975. But the case was dropped by the Pentagon and concealed from the public until revealed in The Blade series, which was awarded the Pulitzer Prize.
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Soldiers hurled grenades into underground bunkers full of women and children. They shot elderly farmers toiling in their fields. They severed the ears of the dead to fashion into necklaces. One former unit medic told The Blade that soldiers "would go into villages and just shoot everybody. We didn't need an excuse. If they were there, they were dead."
aps said:I remember seeing parts of Kerry's testimony (which I quoted above) where they had edited out Kerry's use of the word "they" so it looked like he was admitting that he had done those things. Is it at all possible that you were fooled into thinking he had made admissions during a hearing before Congress? You can admit it to me, tough guy.
Also, I don't believe that Congress has jurisdiction to indict John Kerry for any crimes.
shuamort said:Did Rove do things 30+ years ago or has he done something more contemporary? If it's 30+ years ago, then you've got a comparison. Otherwise it's apples and oranges and even then, Rove is not an elected official whereas Kerry is, so the comparison even grows further apart.
As for getting punished for being a war criminal, well an Army lawyer called for war-crime charge 37 years later on one person:
So, if Kerry HAS admitted to having committed war crimes, why didn't the republicans bring up charges against him and have him indicted?
Where did I even allude to that? :roll:Trajan Octavian Titus said:So there's a statute of limitations on war crimes now?
Navy Pride said:John Kerry said in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee under oath that he personally took part in burning villages and killing civilians in free fire zones in Nam in 1971.........
Now if that is true, why was he not indicted and charged with war crimes Like Lt Calley was and if its not true why was he not indicted and charged with perjury for lying under oath?
Kerry is a smuckNavy Pride said:That is the 64 dollar question my friend........The left want to indict Rove for no crime and here is a guy who is either and admitted war criminal or someone who has committed perjury in a time of war..........
shuamort said:Where did I even allude to that? :roll:
It has more to do with relevance of timeliness than of a syllogistic allusion of statute of limitations.Trajan Octavian Titus said:This quote:
"Did Rove do things 30+ years ago or has he done something more contemporary?"
This would certainly imply that you believe that the war crime is an irrelevant topic just because it happened 30+ years ago, there is no statute of limitations for a war crime.
shuamort said:It has more to do with relevance of timeliness than of a syllogistic allusion of statute of limitations.
Really, so we should have Laura Bush's records opened up about her killing her boyfriend too? She IS the first lady and it would thusly make it "timely and relevant". :roll:Trajan Octavian Titus said:Well he was the '04 Democratic presidential candidate and a member of congress, his less than honorable past is most certainly timely and relavant.
shuamort said:Really, so we should have Laura Bush's records opened up about her killing her boyfriend too? She IS the first lady and it would thusly make it "timely and relevant". :roll:
Trajan Octavian Titus said:Now you're just making sh!t up.
Laura Bush: 1963, ran stop sign & killed boyfriend
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) - At 17, Laura Bush ran a stop sign and crashed into another car, killing her boyfriend who was driving it, according to an accident report released to The Associated Press on Wednesday.
Mrs. Bush is the wife of Republican presidential nominee-to-be George W. Bush (news - web sites), the Texas governor.
``It was a very tragic accident that deeply affected the families and was very painful for all involved, including the community at large,'' said her spokesman, Andrew Malcolm. ``To this day, Mrs. Bush remains unable to talk about it.''
Mrs. Bush did say in March, when asked at a campaign stop about the crash, ``I know this as an adult, and even more as a parent, it was crushing ... for the family involved and for me as well.''
According to the two-page accident report released Wednesday by the city of Midland, Laura Welch was driving her Chevrolet sedan on a clear night shortly after 8 p.m. on Nov. 6, 1963, when she drove into an intersection and struck a Corvair sedan driven by 17-year-old Michael Douglas.
Although previous news accounts have reported Douglas was thrown from the car and broke his neck, those details were not in the report.
The speed of Laura Bush's car was illegible on the report. The speed limit for the road was 55.
Neither driver was drinking, the police report said.
Laura Bush and her passenger, Judy Dykes, also 17, were taken to a hospital and treated for minor injuries, according to an accident account printed at the time in the Midland Reporter-Telegram.
The police report indicates no charges were filed. That section of the report was left blank.
``As far as we know, no charges were filed,'' said Midland city attorney Keith Stretcher. ``I don't think it's unusual that charges weren't filed.''
The police report was released after an open records request was submitted to Midland officials in March. City officials had declined to release the records because the victims were under 18.
Davo said:I Beg To Differ.
Poorly written but true.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:And the last time I checked the first lady doesn't make policy decisions and doesn't write legislation. And just how the hell is a traffic accident equivalent by any standard to war crimes?
Davo said:The point is - Just like the Jhon Kerry thing....this was never investigated.
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