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Why was American slavery so brutal?

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America practiced "chattel" slavery. You could break up a slave's family. You could sell a slave's wife or you could sell a slave's children. You could kill your slave, often without repercussions. Usually the murders of slaves happened when slaves were punished too harshly.

Contrast that to "serfdom" in Europe. You couldn't separate serf families in Europe and you couldn't move the serf from the land where the serf was born. Killing serfs was frowned on, though many were whipped to death.

So why was American slavery so brutal?
 
Because evil, that's why.
 
Because humans, left to their own demise, are so brutal...
 
Interesting question.

It looks like England also called it chattel slavery. Wasn't serfdom an earlier and different form of slavery? I'm not sure if your premise is valid or not.

Chattel slavery originated from Europe.

The decline of serfdom in Western Europe has sometimes been attributed to the widespread plague epidemic of the Black Death, which reached Europe in 1347 and caused massive fatalities, disrupting society.[2] The decline, however, had begun before that date.
 
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America practiced "chattel" slavery. You could break up a slave's family. You could sell a slave's wife or you could sell a slave's children. You could kill your slave, often without repercussions. Usually the murders of slaves happened when slaves were punished too harshly.

Contrast that to "serfdom" in Europe. You couldn't separate serf families in Europe and you couldn't move the serf from the land where the serf was born. Killing serfs was frowned on, though many were whipped to death.

So why was American slavery so brutal?
Racism
 
America practiced "chattel" slavery. You could break up a slave's family. You could sell a slave's wife or you could sell a slave's children. You could kill your slave, often without repercussions. Usually the murders of slaves happened when slaves were punished too harshly.

Contrast that to "serfdom" in Europe. You couldn't separate serf families in Europe and you couldn't move the serf from the land where the serf was born. Killing serfs was frowned on, though many were whipped to death.

So why was American slavery so brutal?

Chattel slavery is the default form of slavery.
Instead of executing your war prisoners, you put them to work. There is no concept of slave rights.
Other forms of slavery are formed when society integrates slave culture, and they usually entail certain rights and responsibilities for slaves and slave owners.

- The Romans used to practice chattel slavery until after the third servile war (the one with Spartacus) after which they decided that slaves should have certain rights. Not out of kindness, but because slave uprisings were becoming a real problem.
- Societies which allowed people to sell themselves or family members into slavery usually had laws allowing the slave to buy their freedom.
- The ancient Egyptians had laws to prevent child slaves from performing hard physical labor.
- Speaking of hard physical labor, imprisonment probably started as enslavement for crimes, but was eventually made time limited.
- More primitive societies usually had more human forms of slavery. Again, not purely out of kindness, but because they didn't have the institutions to deal with slave rebellions.

There was usually a pattern between how distant the lives of the slaves were to members of society. The brutal treatment of foreign war prisoners was far more acceptable than watching a childhood friend being beaten because he had been enslaved for failure to repay a debt. One was a murderous barbarian out to rape and kill you and your family, while the other was someone you could sympathize with.

Unfortunately humans have a tendency to internalize this kind of reasoning, so eventually "foreign raider out to pillage your children and oxen" became "peaceful tribe who got in the way of our slave traders" without the human empathy angle changing very much. The human empathy angle came into play many times during the history of slavery. The late Roman empire banned enslavement of Christians, Islam forbade the enslvement of Muslims, and after Christian missionaries came home from Africa wand started entertaining the good citizens of Europe about the horrors of slavery, it became an abhorrent practice that was eventually banned.


Note also that standards and customs change over time. Like the chopping the hands of thieves was a humane improvement over simply killing all thieves, so was chattel slavery initially an improvement over what came before. The Teutons and Cimbri for instance didn't take slaves. When they beat the Romans, they sacrificed all their prisoners in various, grizzly ways, and when one Thracian tribe defeated another, 60,000 people, women and children among them, were brought back to their cities to be butchered for the amusement of the crowds (which custom may or may not be where making a spectacle of public executions originally came from). Sacrifice and slavery were both abolished because people eventually rejected tribalism, so if nothing else this anecdote serves as a warning, in the current political climate where we are backsliding into tribalism, for what deeds it will allow humans to excuse themselves for perpetrating upon each other.
 
I've heard that it was because of Protestantism versus Catholicism.

Some Protestants could see blacks as sub humans who needed a real human to guide them through life. These sub humans didn't have souls. They were animals essentially.

Catholics saw blacks as just another group of souls who should go to church on Sunday. You didn't break up their families because Jesus wouldn't want you too. But it was better for these lost souls to be slaves and Christian than wondering around free in Africa as pagans.

So in Brazil, a Catholic county, slaves had it easier than slaves in Mississippi.

I'm Protestant, btw. Some Protestants were America's greatest abolitionists, but not all. It's more complex than I'm making it, but you can get the gist.
 
So why was American slavery so brutal?

I don't know. I never really got a satisfactory answer on that.

The Muslim Arabs initiated the African Slave Trade circa 800 CE.

African tribes would sell/trade their slaves to the Muslim Arabs who either kept them, or transported them to India to sell/trade for Indian slaves and then African and Indian slaves were transported to Indonesia and Malaysia to sell/trade for indigenous peoples and then Africans, Indians and Indonesians were transported to southern Africa and sold there.

Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

If you remember Apartheid, there were three groups: Whites, Blacks and Coloreds. Isn't that redundant? Nope. The Coloreds were Indians and Australoid peoples from India, Indonesia and Malaysia.

Shari'a Law governed slavery for Muslims:

1) Slaves had to sleep under your own roof
2) Slaves had to be taught to read and write...because
3) Slaves had to be taught the Koran
4) A slave that converted to Islam had to be freed

Generally, if a slave converted to Islam, you would marry him off to one of your daughters and give him a tract of your land to farm or a piece of your business as a wedding gift.

One more thing...abusing a slave was punishable by death.

The last person executed under Shari'a Law for abusing a slave was an Albanian Muslim in 1873 just before the Tanzimat Reforms that banned slavery.

Contrast that with American style slavery where slaves were treated like cattle or other animals, punished for learning how to read or write, were not taught the Bible, were not given any "out" and there was no punishment of slavery.

It says a lot about Islam and Christianity, and about the cultures of the two, although at that time religion and culture were inextricably intertwined.

Islam was the only form of slavery that offered an "out." It was Roman custom to free your slaves upon your death, and there was sort of an "out" if you were male and a Legion member.

For example, Minos was a Greek slave who joined a legion and rose to Primus, or third in command of the legion. When he retired after 20 years of service, he was granted Roman citizenship and freed as a slave, but instead of being given the traditional tract of acreage (usually 140-160 acres of land) he was given a charter by the Roman governor of Trier to found a colony at the confluence of several rivers between Kaiserslautern and Strausburg (France).

It was called Au de Minos. Later, when the German tribes came through the name changed to Minosauwen, then, much later, the Latin-speaking Germans we call the French changed it to Miesauen and then later it became what it is known now: Miesau.

The slavery practiced by North American indigenous tribes, African tribes and many other groups did not offer an "out."

The Muslims introduced slavery to Europeans more than 600 years later in Muslim Spain. The tribes in Spain were quite brutal and uncouth (read Muslim accounts often written by Jews in Spain).

Slavery spread from the Spanish tribes (the Iberians, Catalans, Valecians, Aragons etc) to Portugal, then France, then Britain. The Dutch, Germans, and Norse were not really big on slavery, and I don't know exactly why that was, either.

The Spanish, French and British brought slavery to North America.

I never really got a satisfactory explanation as to why the British, French and Spanish never used tribal groups as slaves.

Take the French. They have several settlements near Detroit, Michigan and the local tribes had practiced slavery long before European colonization. The slave wars between the tribes was so brutal it interfered with the French fur trade, so the French made all sides sit down and talk it out to put an end to slavery, which the tribes eventually did within a few decades.

If people here are free for the taking, then why import slaves? The best answer I got was that "Native Americans" were too uncivilized to train, they were likely to rebel, their tribes might conduct raids to free them, and they were on their home turf, so they knew the land and could travel freely if they escaped and it's unlikely you'd ever find them again.

As far as the brutal treatment, the best argument seems to be that Black slaves were viewed as the descendants of Ham, and therefore everyone had a god-given right to treat them like trash.
 
America practiced "chattel" slavery. You could break up a slave's family. You could sell a slave's wife or you could sell a slave's children. You could kill your slave, often without repercussions. Usually the murders of slaves happened when slaves were punished too harshly.

Contrast that to "serfdom" in Europe. You couldn't separate serf families in Europe and you couldn't move the serf from the land where the serf was born. Killing serfs was frowned on, though many were whipped to death.

So why was American slavery so brutal?

Because American Slavery was based on purely race, specifically, being of black African descent, rather than a people's social circumstances. In the ancient world, if you were a slave, it was because you were a debtor, or because you or your parents lost a war against your conquerors. But it was not by dint of the perceived inferiority of your blood and skin color. As such, a slave in the ancient world who was granted his or her freedom could be integrated into the society of his/her enslavers more easily than one whose servile inferiority was marked indelibly by their skin color.
 
I don't know. I never really got a satisfactory answer on that.

The Muslim Arabs initiated the African Slave Trade circa 800 CE.

African tribes would sell/trade their slaves to the Muslim Arabs who either kept them, or transported them to India to sell/trade for Indian slaves and then African and Indian slaves were transported to Indonesia and Malaysia to sell/trade for indigenous peoples and then Africans, Indians and Indonesians were transported to southern Africa and sold there.

Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

If you remember Apartheid, there were three groups: Whites, Blacks and Coloreds. Isn't that redundant? Nope. The Coloreds were Indians and Australoid peoples from India, Indonesia and Malaysia.

Shari'a Law governed slavery for Muslims:

1) Slaves had to sleep under your own roof
2) Slaves had to be taught to read and write...because
3) Slaves had to be taught the Koran
4) A slave that converted to Islam had to be freed

Generally, if a slave converted to Islam, you would marry him off to one of your daughters and give him a tract of your land to farm or a piece of your business as a wedding gift.

One more thing...abusing a slave was punishable by death.

The last person executed under Shari'a Law for abusing a slave was an Albanian Muslim in 1873 just before the Tanzimat Reforms that banned slavery.

Contrast that with American style slavery where slaves were treated like cattle or other animals, punished for learning how to read or write, were not taught the Bible, were not given any "out" and there was no punishment of slavery.

It says a lot about Islam and Christianity, and about the cultures of the two, although at that time religion and culture were inextricably intertwined.

Islam was the only form of slavery that offered an "out." It was Roman custom to free your slaves upon your death, and there was sort of an "out" if you were male and a Legion member.

For example, Minos was a Greek slave who joined a legion and rose to Primus, or third in command of the legion. When he retired after 20 years of service, he was granted Roman citizenship and freed as a slave, but instead of being given the traditional tract of acreage (usually 140-160 acres of land) he was given a charter by the Roman governor of Trier to found a colony at the confluence of several rivers between Kaiserslautern and Strausburg (France).

It was called Au de Minos. Later, when the German tribes came through the name changed to Minosauwen, then, much later, the Latin-speaking Germans we call the French changed it to Miesauen and then later it became what it is known now: Miesau.

The slavery practiced by North American indigenous tribes, African tribes and many other groups did not offer an "out."

The Muslims introduced slavery to Europeans more than 600 years later in Muslim Spain. The tribes in Spain were quite brutal and uncouth (read Muslim accounts often written by Jews in Spain).

Slavery spread from the Spanish tribes (the Iberians, Catalans, Valecians, Aragons etc) to Portugal, then France, then Britain. The Dutch, Germans, and Norse were not really big on slavery, and I don't know exactly why that was, either.

The Spanish, French and British brought slavery to North America.

I never really got a satisfactory explanation as to why the British, French and Spanish never used tribal groups as slaves.

Take the French. They have several settlements near Detroit, Michigan and the local tribes had practiced slavery long before European colonization. The slave wars between the tribes was so brutal it interfered with the French fur trade, so the French made all sides sit down and talk it out to put an end to slavery, which the tribes eventually did within a few decades.

If people here are free for the taking, then why import slaves? The best answer I got was that "Native Americans" were too uncivilized to train, they were likely to rebel, their tribes might conduct raids to free them, and they were on their home turf, so they knew the land and could travel freely if they escaped and it's unlikely you'd ever find them again.

As far as the brutal treatment, the best argument seems to be that Black slaves were viewed as the descendants of Ham, and therefore everyone had a god-given right to treat them like trash.
The slaves in America were eventually taught christianity i think but no freedom was granted upon conversion. It was taught to them to make them more servile. The religious instruction of the negro (the book) gives insight into their plans.
 
America practiced "chattel" slavery. You could break up a slave's family. You could sell a slave's wife or you could sell a slave's children. You could kill your slave, often without repercussions. Usually the murders of slaves happened when slaves were punished too harshly.

Contrast that to "serfdom" in Europe.
You couldn't separate serf families in Europe and you couldn't move the serf from the land where the serf was born. Killing serfs was frowned on, though many were whipped to death.

So why was American slavery so brutal?
was "serfdom" in Europe the same all over Europe ? Whats about Muscovy ?
 
America practiced "chattel" slavery. You could break up a slave's family. You could sell a slave's wife or you could sell a slave's children. You could kill your slave, often without repercussions. Usually the murders of slaves happened when slaves were punished too harshly.

Contrast that to "serfdom" in Europe. You couldn't separate serf families in Europe and you couldn't move the serf from the land where the serf was born. Killing serfs was frowned on, though many were whipped to death.

So why was American slavery so brutal?
Because serfdom is not quite slavery.

Serfs are tied to the land and owe work to the lord.

Slaves and serfs existed in teh same societies.

England was very early in losing this social class. Here in England as laws became written down there was never a law that covered slavery.

Slavery in the Roman world was massively more harsh than the American version. During the period 200BC to 200AD the price of a fit man was the same as the price recieved from exporting one amphora (large pottery flash, about 40 gallons). So when harvest time happened the vinyards imported slaves to pick the crop. Whilst they were picking the crop there was the crushed grapes to eat. Once the harvest was over there was nothing to eat at all. The land from Rome the city to the Alps was completely given over to vines. They called it a desert of vines.

So after the harvest, what do you do with the slaves? The price of food would be far higher than just buying new slaves next year.

Thus each year there was a need for many thousands of slaves.

Thrace was totally depopulated. Thracian gladiators were origonally slaves from Thrace (European Turkey plus a bit) but they ran out of Thracians. The archeology shows a total devastation of population. None seem to have survived.

If a slave was lucky they and did not end up picking grapes they would expect to be used as a sex toy. Babies would generally be thrown away. Slaves were so cheap that the cost of raising a child just was not worth the effort.
 
What about it?

This thread is about American slavery.
 
What about it?

This thread is about American slavery.
Because if you view it in isolation from all the other instances of slavery you will have no idea why it was brutal and the degree to which it was brutal.

Basic thinking stuff.

Slavery is always a brutal thing.
 
Yes....

Why was American slavery so brutal?
Because any slavery is brutal.

American slavery was less brutal than the enslavement of Mexican native Amereicans during the Mexican civil war era. Early 20th century. Or the enslavement of Amazonian Indians up to the 1960's.
 
Given the high value of slaves, it's unlikely slave owners just ran around arbitrarily beating slaves to death n stuff, and in fact whites worked alongside their slaves in the fields, but of course the former makes for great movies and TV while the latter is just boring and doesn't lead to stoking up support for 'reparations'. From other sources, including from abolitionist leaders like Fredrick Law Omstead and his eyewitness accounts, slaves were mostly kept from the dangerous jobs, which were reserved for expendable poor white Irish and German laborers, like building levees along the rivers and working the bottoms of the cotton boats. WE also of course have the blatantly obvious evidence that there was no Big Giant black migration out of the South after the Civil War ended, which is a clue that they preferred the South to Yankee Land and its alleged 'anti-racism n stuff'. If the South was such a big racist hellhole compared to the wonderful enlightened Northern and western states as per the stupid propaganda memes, that wouldn't be the case, especially today. All those stories about The Great Migration to Chicago and the like were mostly just strike breaking temp jobs and the lowest crp jobs in the slaugher houses, which is why a big majority of black people didn't get suckered into leaving.
 
Because any slavery is brutal.

American slavery was less brutal than the enslavement of Mexican native Amereicans during the Mexican civil war era. Early 20th century. Or the enslavement of Amazonian Indians up to the 1960's.
yes , its a wellknown fact.
ps

why BLM does not talk about slavery which is still around ?

 
yes , its a wellknown fact.
ps

why BLM does not talk about slavery which is still around ?



Because the vast majority of those running around making big noises about how awful the South is don't really care about slavery, they just want to pretend they have some sort of moral superiority of some kind, as appearances count far more than facts do. Do a search of their posts and almost none of them are even the least concerned about slavery in modern times which they could actually do something about and put their money where their mouths are. Too afraid of those biker gangs, black pimps, and those drug cartels and porn peddlers. It's a lot safer for Commies to just mouth off rubbish about The Evul South for voting Republican, and takes no effort or risk.
 
America practiced "chattel" slavery. You could break up a slave's family. You could sell a slave's wife or you could sell a slave's children. You could kill your slave, often without repercussions. Usually the murders of slaves happened when slaves were punished too harshly.

Contrast that to "serfdom" in Europe. You couldn't separate serf families in Europe and you couldn't move the serf from the land where the serf was born. Killing serfs was frowned on, though many were whipped to death.

So why was American slavery so brutal?


Why do we keep the issue of slavery going forever?

I know! I know teacher!
 
Because the vast majority of those running around making big noises about how awful the South is don't really care about slavery, they just want to pretend they have some sort of moral superiority of some kind, as appearances count far more than facts do. Do a search of their posts and almost none of them are even the least concerned about slavery in modern times which they could actually do something about and put their money where their mouths are. Too afraid of those biker gangs, black pimps, and those drug cartels and porn peddlers. It's a lot safer for Commies to just mouth off rubbish about The Evul South for voting Republican, and takes no effort or risk.
+1 , political prostitutes (mostly middle class hipsters ) who don't really care not just about South and its rich and complex history , but history of USA ( forget about the world ) in general .

this is a good example :


BLM rioters attack statue of Belarusian - French - Polish-American hero Tadeusz Kościuszka ...
rmx.news › article › article › rioters-attack-statue-of-pol...




Jun 2, 2020 — BLM rioters attack statue of Polish-American hero Tadeusz Kościuszko in Washington DC despite his efforts to free slaves. The Polish and ...

Kościuszko Knew That Black Lives Matter | Dissent Magazine
www.dissentmagazine.org › online_articles › kosciuszk...




Jun 25, 2020 — “We are certain that had Kościuszko been resurrected, he would himself write Black Lives Matter in big bold letters across his statue.”.

https://www.calvertjournal.com/arti...sz-kociuszko-jean-lapierre-jabonowski-statues
 
America practiced "chattel" slavery. You could break up a slave's family. You could sell a slave's wife or you could sell a slave's children. You could kill your slave, often without repercussions. Usually the murders of slaves happened when slaves were punished too harshly.

Contrast that to "serfdom" in Europe. You couldn't separate serf families in Europe and you couldn't move the serf from the land where the serf was born. Killing serfs was frowned on, though many were whipped to death.

So why was American slavery so brutal?
We have an evil streak a mile wide?
 
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