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Why the WH won't secure our borders

Ockham

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For those not wanting to or willing to watch the video posted (the pertinant part starts at about 3:15), here's the summary:

Obama doesn't want to secure the Arizona border unless he gets something out of it. On it's face that may seem to be a simple charge of "business as usual" yet, it is in direct violation the President's oath of office. Discharging and doing one's duty should not be held hostage to gain political points when, as it is in this case, people are dying, being kidnapped, and potentially our national security is being violated every day.

This is gross negligence and if what Kyle says occurred - it's gross negligence.


 
Obama doesn't want to secure the Arizona border unless he gets something out of it

It's always been that way - which seems in direct contrast to his oath of office - but it's always been that way.

Every - single - thing passed and done in government benefits government somehow. If securing the border meant the government would gain massive net profit - then they'd be all over it. right now, though, it seems like an expense that has no 'up' side other than upholding the law
 
Funny how this became such a big deal when there was a (D) in the president's slot. The (R)'s seem to get a pass.
 
Funny how this became such a big deal when there was a (D) in the president's slot. The (R)'s seem to get a pass.
Or maybe the cummulative effect of illegals crossing over each year, the increased drug trafficing has finally reached a peak. It could be that the same would be happening if there was a (R) President. The bottom line the Feds need to do the job of immigration and border security. It has been failing for years and years.

If in fact Kyle statements are true, then shame on or President. Thought Obama wanted to change the way Washington did business. Looks like he is going to continue the same old methods. IMO, we need elected officials who will do what is good for America and not what is good for the party.
 
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Thats the way politics are done in Chicago, why would we expect anything else from the Obama administration. Since the last amnesty was granted by President Regan all American presidents have neglected to do there duty to secure the border. I am ok with Immigration reform with a path to citizenship if it comes with complete border security which must happen first. I would prefer deportation but I doubt that is going to take place, so we compromise, but only on the condition that the border is permanently secured first.
 
For those not wanting to or willing to watch the video posted (the pertinant part starts at about 3:15), here's the summary:

Obama doesn't want to secure the Arizona border unless he gets something out of it. On it's face that may seem to be a simple charge of "business as usual" yet, it is in direct violation the President's oath of office. Discharging and doing one's duty should not be held hostage to gain political points when, as it is in this case, people are dying, being kidnapped, and potentially our national security is being violated every day.

This is gross negligence and if what Kyle says occurred - it's gross negligence.


Interesting revelation. You have the date of when that town hall meeting took place? Be great to see how Obama would respond to Kyle's charge at the next presidential press conference.


(and what is up with that furry ball cap the guy on the left was wearing....? :shock:)



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Funny how this became such a big deal when there was a (D) in the president's slot. The (R)'s seem to get a pass.

We wouldn't even be discussing it if Arizona hadn't passed their bill - so that makes us all hypocrites, I guess.
 
This is gross negligence and if what Kyle says occurred - it's gross negligence.

A couple of points. The word IF is an important one. It very well may not have gone down as Kyle reports it. Being private is very convienent for him.

Second, comprhensive reform is more important in the long term. However, neither party will ever really tackle this problem. Illgeal immigration has been a problem for as long as I can remember. Name any time either party actually closed or secured the boarder? Other than talk, which both sides have a certain skill at, show where either the democrats or the republicans have ever really acted? I suggest you can't because they really don't want to. And the reason has to do with needing cheap labor.
 
Funny how this became such a big deal when there was a (D) in the president's slot. The (R)'s seem to get a pass.

I seem to recall quite a bit of disgust by the right about this issue not being tackled by the republicans. It was one of many strikes against Sen. McCain for conservatives in the election. Not saying he would have won had his stance been different, but nobody on the right was really pleased with McCain for this reason(amongst others).

At some point, Obama does have the ability and power to do "something". Maybe its time we start expecting him to secure our borders now, rather than lament that it wasn't done in the past. Or maybe like his predecessors, he doesn't want the negative stigma that the left would certainly attach to such an action. Although they likely wouldn't say he was racist, if he did something.
 
Interesting revelation. You have the date of when that town hall meeting took place? Be great to see how Obama would respond to Kyle's charge at the next presidential press conference.


(and what is up with that furry ball cap the guy on the left was wearing....? :shock:)

Yeah, that furry cap was distracting me through the whole clip...

According to RedState, which is on my RSS crawl on my browser:

On June 18, 2010, Sen. Jon Kyl appeared in Phoenix at a town hall style meeting hosted by the North Phoenix Tea Party Group.

]Sen. Jon Kyl on strategies to fight for our rights against the leftist Dems, Minion Media and Elena Kagan | RedState
 
Or because he knows that securing the border wont solve our immigration problem.

Nearly Half of Illegal Immigrants Overstay Visas : NPR

Securing the border of the U.S. is the one duty he must complete - nothing by itself will solve our immigration problem - however, securing the border will be one step towards solving immigration problems, as well as protecting the people who are being killed and kidnapped in our own country. Securing the border is also necessary to uphold our own national security. Holding it hostage for political gain is negligent and irresponsible on Obama's part.
 
Thats the way politics are done in Chicago, why would we expect anything else from the Obama administration. Since the last amnesty was granted by President Regan all American presidents have neglected to do there duty to secure the border. I am ok with Immigration reform with a path to citizenship if it comes with complete border security which must happen first. I would prefer deportation but I doubt that is going to take place, so we compromise, but only on the condition that the border is permanently secured first.
no need for another amnesty ... anyone notice how ineffective the last one was to curtail illegal immigration
no need for wasting lots of money to "secure" our borders
all we need to do is quit incentivizing illegal immigration and enforce existing laws*

any employer found to have an illegal immigrant in his employment would be subject to a $5,000 fine per infraction
and the person who notifies INS (now USCIS) of that illegal employee receives the $5,000 for their assistance in enforcing the immigration laws
while i said existing laws*, we would have to tweak some so that no illegal immigrant could attend a public school, get a drivers license, receive public healthcare (unless at risk of imminent death), or qualify for any form of public assistance
being without access to work and pubic assistance, that whoosh sound you would hear would be the caravan of vehicles making their way south of the border
problem solved; and the only expense would be the cost of law enforcement, which cost we already incur
 
Securing the border of the U.S. is the one duty he must complete - nothing by itself will solve our immigration problem - however, securing the border will be one step towards solving immigration problems, as well as protecting the people who are being killed and kidnapped in our own country. Securing the border is also necessary to uphold our own national security. Holding it hostage for political gain is negligent and irresponsible on Obama's part.
Again, the border is about half the problem. A lot of undocumented immigrants are people who overstay a work or student visa. Securing the border is extremely expensive and I dont see that basically locking down the border will save us enough money to justify doing it.
 
Funny how this became such a big deal when there was a (D) in the president's slot. The (R)'s seem to get a pass.

I do recall Americans rising up and telling DC to stop their stupid pursuit of amnesty.

Bush43 was president.
McCain was a supporter.

Republicans (and some others) told them No, no, no...

Or are we in a parallel universe?


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I do recall Americans rising up and telling DC to stop their stupid pursuit of amnesty.

Bush43 was president.
McCain was a supporter.

Republicans (and some others) told them No, no, no...

Or are we in a parallel universe?

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So, we agree, neither party really wants to deal with this issue as many would like them too?
 
Funny how this became such a big deal when there was a (D) in the president's slot. The (R)'s seem to get a pass.

Thats not true. If I remember correctly, Immigration was one of those things that Republicans in general wanted, but Bush was for amnesty. The issue would crop up during his presidency from time to time for a few news cycles and die back down.
 
no need for another amnesty ... anyone notice how ineffective the last one was to curtail illegal immigration
no need for wasting lots of money to "secure" our borders
all we need to do is quit incentivizing illegal immigration and enforce existing laws*

any employer found to have an illegal immigrant in his employment would be subject to a $5,000 fine per infraction

You don't go far enough... per infraction, and per day.
and the person who notifies INS (now USCIS) of that illegal employee receives the $5,000 for their assistance in enforcing the immigration laws
while i said existing laws*, we would have to tweak some so that no illegal immigrant could attend a public school, get a drivers license, receive public healthcare (unless at risk of imminent death), or qualify for any form of public assistance
being without access to work and pubic assistance, that whoosh sound you would hear would be the caravan of vehicles making their way south of the border
problem solved; and the only expense would be the cost of law enforcement, which cost we already incur

:applaud
 
Here's the latest:

Kyl's a liar according to the White House.


“The President didn’t say that and Senator Kyl knows it," White House communications director Dan Pfeiffer told ABC News. "There are more resources dedicated toward border security today than ever before, but, as the President has made clear, truly securing the border will require a comprehensive solution to our broken immigration system.”

White House: Senator Kyl Not Telling Truth About Immigration Reform Conversation - Political Punch
 
So, we agree, neither party really wants to deal with this issue as many would like them too?

Don't doubt there is a degree of truth to what you say. But we shouldn't confuse this with being a "good thing".


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Did you expect anything else?

Which is why no serious person should have taken Kyl's words at face value. We should only accept what can be supported.
 
Don't doubt there is a degree of truth to what you say. But we shouldn't confuse this with being a "good thing".


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Oh, I never said it was a good thing. But until we understand the problem, we really can't effectively find a solution. Either their reasons are valid, and we should let things stand, or we should find the best way to combat it. Letting them try to claim they are going do something when history shows us they really won't makes us tools, useful idiots. We don't need new laws, but the will to actually address trhe issue. I suspect the will appease us momentarily, and ten years from now, we'll be right back in this situation. Knowing why would help us plan better.
 
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