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Why the Shutdown is the Mostly the Democrats' Fault

Making our laws more draconian alone would not be a necessary preventive to the waves of illegals crossing our border on a yearly basis, my friend. It might discourage some, but I think most, especially if they are simply desperate enough, will take their chances, even if it means jail time.

What I love about liberals is they love these countries that these people are fleeing from, and they will compare America poorly to them. Females, both women and children, who illegally cross the border have a good chance of being raped during the travel, and yet they take that chance, because they are so desperate to get out of the country from which they are escaping.

This liberals hate american nonsense stems from them calling out bad actions carried out by some of our agencies, and turned into self hate by your propaganda mills. Quote one liberal saying those countries are better than their home?
 
Removing the black-and-white conclusions from those who are partisanly Trump or anti-Trump and giving air to nuance, the shutdown is actually, when you simply look at the facts, the fault of both sides. It is the fault of the Democrats for not providing money for the start of construction on the border wall, and it is the fault of Trump for vetoing as long as his demands are not met for monetary allotment for border wall funding.

However, the fault for the shutdown holds more weight at the feet of the Democrats. Trump is asking for less than $6 billion to begin construction of a border wall on the Southern border. $6 billion is many times less than what we spend on foreign aid yearly. The wall would help bring down the amount of illegals that pour through the border every year. Scores of thousands of illegals entered the country in 2017. In fact, according to FactCheck.org, an estimated 303,916 entered the United States illegally in 2017.

Many on the left--wrongly--argue that over half of the illegals who are in this country are here because they have overstayed their visas. This is untrue. It's about 40%, which is a lot, which is a problem. But it is not a priority. Those who have overstayed their visas have already been vetted. They're not crossing the border anonymously. Those who cross the border without being vetted can be criminals, can be carrying a contagious disease, etc. Also, undocumented workers negatively affect the wages of Americans.

Is a wall going to guarantee that no illegal crosses into the United States? No. But it will help. It will make it more difficult to cross the border, especially if those attempting to cross the border travel in groups. If the wall is built yards into the ground, it will help against those who want to dig. If the wall is high enough and flat at the top, it will make it logistically more difficult to get to the other side, even if you have a big enough ladder to get to the top.

Is the wall a fix-all solution to solve the illegal immigration question. No. As I've pointed out earlier, a wall is not going to stop a person entering this country on a plane and eventually overstaying their visa. But it clearly, logically does help solve one aspect of the problem. Not constructing a wall because it does not solve every aspect of the problem is like letting a boat sink because you do not have enough material to fill all the holes.

Democrats need to end this shutdown. They need to stop being obstinate, and do what is right for the country.



“The wall would help bring down the amount of illegals that pour through the border every year.”

You provide no evidence to support your claim. No evidence that the amount of illegal entries will be significantly reduced by building a “wall”.

“Scores of thousands of illegals entered the country in 2017. In fact, according to FactCheck.org, an estimated 303,916 entered the United States illegally in 2017.”

True. But those figures are insignificant compared to previous years. The following excerpts are from the link further below:

“according to the Pew Hispanic Center, from 2005 to 2009, the number of people entering the U.S. illegally declined by nearly 67%, from 850,000 yearly average in the early 2000s to 300,000. ”

“In 2017, illegal border crossing arrests hit a 46-year low, and were down 25% from the previous year.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States

If you researched to get the information you give in your OP, did you happen to learn that illegal entries dropped by more than half from the early 2000’s?

The facts I provide in my reply refutes the jist of your OP. Or, do you have more factual evidence, data, to support what you say? Citations and reference would help. Mere opinion cannot be debated.
 
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The argument that there is equal blame for all might hold some merit if McConnell would allow the Senate to function as it should. McConnell insists that he will not bring a bill to a vote in the Senate unless he is sure the President will sign it. That is a mutation of the system.

An Appropriations bill, in this case a CR has passed the House. McConnell should bring it to a vote in the Senate and if passed it goes to the President's desk for his signature. Trump either signs or vetos and if vetos the Congress can vote to override. That is how it works. McConnell's insistence on not allowing the Bill to come to the floor of the Senate, the exact Bill that passed the Senate on a voice vote (unanimously) not more than two weeks ago makes him complicit in the Shutdown. This is literally the Trump/McConnell shutdown if you really want to know.
 
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Removing the black-and-white conclusions from those who are partisanly Trump or anti-Trump and giving air to nuance, the shutdown is actually, when you simply look at the facts, the fault of both sides. It is the fault of the Democrats for not providing money for the start of construction on the border wall, and it is the fault of Trump for vetoing as long as his demands are not met for monetary allotment for border wall funding.

However, the fault for the shutdown holds more weight at the feet of the Democrats. Trump is asking for less than $6 billion to begin construction of a border wall on the Southern border. $6 billion is many times less than what we spend on foreign aid yearly. The wall would help bring down the amount of illegals that pour through the border every year. Scores of thousands of illegals entered the country in 2017. In fact, according to FactCheck.org, an estimated 303,916 entered the United States illegally in 2017.

Many on the left--wrongly--argue that over half of the illegals who are in this country are here because they have overstayed their visas. This is untrue. It's about 40%, which is a lot, which is a problem. But it is not a priority. Those who have overstayed their visas have already been vetted. They're not crossing the border anonymously. Those who cross the border without being vetted can be criminals, can be carrying a contagious disease, etc. Also, undocumented workers negatively affect the wages of Americans.

Is a wall going to guarantee that no illegal crosses into the United States? No. But it will help. It will make it more difficult to cross the border, especially if those attempting to cross the border travel in groups. If the wall is built yards into the ground, it will help against those who want to dig. If the wall is high enough and flat at the top, it will make it logistically more difficult to get to the other side, even if you have a big enough ladder to get to the top.

Is the wall a fix-all solution to solve the illegal immigration question. No. As I've pointed out earlier, a wall is not going to stop a person entering this country on a plane and eventually overstaying their visa. But it clearly, logically does help solve one aspect of the problem. Not constructing a wall because it does not solve every aspect of the problem is like letting a boat sink because you do not have enough material to fill all the holes.

Democrats need to end this shutdown. They need to stop being obstinate, and do what is right for the country.

I agree, the wall isn't a fix all solution. Will it help stem the flood of those illegally entering the U.S., it could and probably would. But like on all ultra partisan issues, common sense has left the room. Has left Washington D.C. totally. Could a compromise be worked out? Sure it could, Reagan and Tip O'Neal did so on SDI almost every year of Reagan's presidency. Is either side willing to work out a compromise, come to a meeting of the minds, no! So we're stuck in a battle of very high and sensitive egos. A battle that has got out of control. Regardless of the outcome, one side or the other is going to lose face, have their egos bruised if not knocked off their shoulders.

This is what our politics have come down to today. Destroy the other side, take no prisoners, unconditional surrender. What gets harmed or even destroyed in this battle of nitwit partisan political ego's is a no never mind to both sides. What has happened to the politics of this country? If Reagan and Tip O'Neal can work things out, make deals, why can't Trump, Schumer and Pelosi do the same?

I'll tell you why, Reagan and Tip O'Neal didn't have ego's as big as a barn. Both were partisan, for sure. But neither let that partisanship come to a point where it would harm this country. Today, the ego's of those involved, Schumer, Pelosi and Trump wouldn't fit inside the island of Manhattan. To compromise, to make a deal, each side would feel like they caved. Our politics today has traveled far beyond asinine when it comes to partisanship.

Oh how I long for the days when both sides, Reagan and Tip O'Neal were willing to put country first and ensure no harm ever came to it even over very partisan hot issues and work something out. Not today, harm and destroy, let ego's reign.
 
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Removing the black-and-white conclusions from those who are partisanly Trump or anti-Trump and giving air to nuance, the shutdown is actually, when you simply look at the facts, the fault of both sides. It is the fault of the Democrats for not providing money for the start of construction on the border wall, and it is the fault of Trump for vetoing as long as his demands are not met for monetary allotment for border wall funding.

However, the fault for the shutdown holds more weight at the feet of the Democrats. Trump is asking for less than $6 billion to begin construction of a border wall on the Southern border. $6 billion is many times less than what we spend on foreign aid yearly. The wall would help bring down the amount of illegals that pour through the border every year. Scores of thousands of illegals entered the country in 2017. In fact, according to FactCheck.org, an estimated 303,916 entered the United States illegally in 2017.

Many on the left--wrongly--argue that over half of the illegals who are in this country are here because they have overstayed their visas. This is untrue. It's about 40%, which is a lot, which is a problem. But it is not a priority. Those who have overstayed their visas have already been vetted. They're not crossing the border anonymously. Those who cross the border without being vetted can be criminals, can be carrying a contagious disease, etc. Also, undocumented workers negatively affect the wages of Americans.

Is a wall going to guarantee that no illegal crosses into the United States? No. But it will help. It will make it more difficult to cross the border, especially if those attempting to cross the border travel in groups. If the wall is built yards into the ground, it will help against those who want to dig. If the wall is high enough and flat at the top, it will make it logistically more difficult to get to the other side, even if you have a big enough ladder to get to the top.

Is the wall a fix-all solution to solve the illegal immigration question. No. As I've pointed out earlier, a wall is not going to stop a person entering this country on a plane and eventually overstaying their visa. But it clearly, logically does help solve one aspect of the problem. Not constructing a wall because it does not solve every aspect of the problem is like letting a boat sink because you do not have enough material to fill all the holes.

Democrats need to end this shutdown. They need to stop being obstinate, and do what is right for the country.

Very simple fix is available. Why not put the wall up for a vote with the American public?

It is totally Trump's fault at this time because this is something he wants and has wanted since he began to run for President. I have yet to see anyone of note agree with Trump that the wall is a need. The Democrats and the American public are not required to fulfill someone's wet dream and as such, a vote on the wall should be done just like voting is done on everything of importance.

Keep in mind that for the past 2 years and with both the House and the Senate being in Republican hands Trump was unable to get the funding for the wall, meaning that there were more people in Congress against the wall than for it.

As such, no blame can be put on the Democrats as they are just following what "the people" want. If you want to change that fact, put it up for a vote.
 
Ok so when the dems decide they want a national health insurance like the rich get (bankiers, farmers, investors)

call it the FHIC for Federal Health Insurance Corp. and shutdown the govt. until they get the votes, it will be a dem shut down.

I.e., they are ALL dem shut downs.

Our democracy has been reduced from debate and compromises to who can shutdown the govt.

...just to get the votes not attainable without such extortion. I guess the right has no other choice almost never having the votes.
 
If I take responsibility for the next meteorite that crashes into the earth, it is not, in fact, my fault.

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It is if the meteorite is under your control. Trump had the power to prevent the shutdown. He has the power to end it.
 
Trump had 2 years where he could have made these demands he waited until the Democrats won the house then demanded it in the lame duck session knowing it wouldn't go through because all he wanted was a political talking point not actual funding for the wall.
 
“The wall would help bring down the amount of illegals that pour through the border every year.”

You provide no evidence to support your claim. No evidence that the amount of illegal entries will be significantly reduced by building a “wall”.

“Scores of thousands of illegals entered the country in 2017. In fact, according to FactCheck.org, an estimated 303,916 entered the United States illegally in 2017.”

True. But those figures are insignificant compared to previous years. The following excerpts are from the link further below:

“according to the Pew Hispanic Center, from 2005 to 2009, the number of people entering the U.S. illegally declined by nearly 67%, from 850,000 yearly average in the early 2000s to 300,000. ”

“In 2017, illegal border crossing arrests hit a 46-year low, and were down 25% from the previous year.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States

If you researched to get the information you give in your OP, did you happen to learn that illegal entries dropped by more than half from the early 2000’s?

The facts I provide in my reply refutes the jist of your OP. Or, do you have more factual evidence, data, to support what you say? Citations and reference would help. Mere opinion cannot be debated.

But the wall makes them FEEL good, and that's all the "proof" they need to hold the country hostage. Damn don't you dumb libruls no anything?:roll:
 
I don't understand what the problem is Trump said yesterday the wall is already being built...land has already been bought, eminent domain has already taken place. He said a lot was already done. He could take the 1.3b for 30 days, continue to do wonderful things he said he's been doing, open the government and be a hero. You guys wanting this 5b do realize the 1.3 was only until February 8th...right?
It's a stupid shutdown for a dumb reason not because of the money, not because of the wall but Trump, McConnell and the dumb right wing talking heads can't see the forest for the trees.
He got 1.5 last year would have gotten an additional 1.3 last year. February 2019 he would have gotten another 1. or 2. something then in September 2019 he would get more....this is where the master negotiator has failed. He would have gotten more than 5.6b had he negotiated quietly and went ahead with his plans.
Trump failed at the one thing he's supposed to be the best at negotiating all because of ego that's what everyone on both sides don't seem to see.
 
I agree, the wall isn't a fix all solution. Will it help stem the flood of those illegally entering the U.S., it could and probably would. But like on all ultra partisan issues, common sense has left the room. Has left Washington D.C. totally. Could a compromise be worked out? Sure it could, Reagan and Tip O'Neal did so on SDI almost every year of Reagan's presidency. Is either side willing to work out a compromise, come to a meeting of the minds, no! So we're stuck in a battle of very high and sensitive egos. A battle that has got out of control. Regardless of the outcome, one side or the other is going to lose face, have their egos bruised if not knocked off their shoulders.

This is what our politics have come down to today. Destroy the other side, take no prisoners, unconditional surrender. What gets harmed or even destroyed in this battle of nitwit partisan political ego's is a no never mind to both sides. What has happened to the politics of this country? If Reagan and Tip O'Neal can work things out, make deals, why can't Trump, Schumer and Pelosi do the same?

I'll tell you why, Reagan and Tip O'Neal didn't have ego's as big as a barn. Both were partisan, for sure. But neither let that partisanship come to a point where it would harm this country. Today, the ego's of those involved, Schumer, Pelosi and Trump wouldn't fit inside the island of Manhattan. To compromise, to make a deal, each side would feel like they caved. Our politics today has traveled far beyond asinine when it comes to partisanship.

Oh how I long for the days when both sides, Reagan and Tip O'Neal were willing to put country first and ensure no harm ever came to it even over very partisan hot issues and work something out. Not today, harm and destroy, let ego's reign.

Greetings, Pero. :2wave:

This is nothing but pure :bs that is currently taking place in DC, and most people on here know it! Since Schumer has decided that he will be the "spokesman" for the Democrat party on this latest publicity stunt taking place in the Senate, I would suggest that Pelosi, Gavel-holder and leader of the House, also get involved and immediately correct the problem about getting workers their paychecks again - why penalize them when it's not their fault that their leaders have chosen another path to explore! :thumbdown I would also ask WHY the elected officials of Congress are continuing to get their regular paychecks on time!! That is wrong!!!!
 
“The wall would help bring down the amount of illegals that pour through the border every year.”

You provide no evidence to support your claim. No evidence that the amount of illegal entries will be significantly reduced by building a “wall”.

“Scores of thousands of illegals entered the country in 2017. In fact, according to FactCheck.org, an estimated 303,916 entered the United States illegally in 2017.”

True. But those figures are insignificant compared to previous years. The following excerpts are from the link further below:

“according to the Pew Hispanic Center, from 2005 to 2009, the number of people entering the U.S. illegally declined by nearly 67%, from 850,000 yearly average in the early 2000s to 300,000. ”

“In 2017, illegal border crossing arrests hit a 46-year low, and were down 25% from the previous year.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States

If you researched to get the information you give in your OP, did you happen to learn that illegal entries dropped by more than half from the early 2000’s?

The facts I provide in my reply refutes the jist of your OP. Or, do you have more factual evidence, data, to support what you say? Citations and reference would help. Mere opinion cannot be debated.

Well, I'm not simply giving mere opinion. Unlike many on your side, I'm not just expressing two-dimensional opinion without providing any bolstering evidence of logic. I've used logic as my explanation for why a wall would bring down the numbers. A common liberal talking point about the wall is this: "If the wall is 40 feet, then 40-foot ladders will be in demand." The problem with this logic is that is halfway when you take a moment to really think it through. It is sophomoric sophism. Here's why: yes, you can get a ladder that helps you get to the top, but how do you get down to the other side. If the wall is flat on top, you cannot use a rope. If you want to swing the 40-foot ladder over the top of the wall, it will be a Herculean effort in which you will probably fall and die or be badly injured. In other words, having a wall, especially one that is started yards below ground, will make it logistically harder for people to come across illegally. They won't be able to run across, use bolt cutters, or climb the wall if it is flat on the edges.

You mention that the estimation for the amount of illegals crossing that I cited is true, but that it is insignificant compared to other years--namely between 2000 and 2005. So what? It's still a high number, and with this economy booming, I think it is reasonable to assume an increase. You mention that "according to the Pew Hispanic Center, from 2005 to 2009, the number of people entering the U.S. illegally declined by nearly 67%, from 850,000 yearly average in the early 2000s." Now, let's unpack that. Why do you think that is? I'd argue it's a reflection of economic performance. In 2000, real GDP growth was 4.1%. In 2001, it dropped to 1%. In 2002, it grew to 1.8%. In 2003, it grew to 2.8%. In 2004, it jumped to 3.8% (probably why Bush won). In 2005, it dropped shortly to 3.3%. So GDP numbers during that time were relatively high when there was a spike in illegal immigration. Now let's go to 2006 to 2009. In 2006 (when Democrats took over Congress), GDP went from 3.8% to 2.7%. In 2007, it fell to 1.8%. In 2008, -0.3%. In 2009, it fell heavily to -2.9%. Clearly, there is correlation between economic activity and illegal immigration. When you cite these numbers, please put them in context, my friend.
 
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Greetings, Pero. :2wave:

This is nothing but pure :bs that is currently taking place in DC, and most people on here know it! Since Schumer has decided that he will be the "spokesman" for the Democrat party on this latest publicity stunt taking place in the Senate, I would suggest that Pelosi, Gavel-holder and leader of the House, also get involved and immediately correct the problem about getting workers their paychecks again - why penalize them when it's not their fault that their leaders have chosen another path to explore! :thumbdown I would also ask WHY the elected officials of Congress are continuing to get their regular paychecks on time!! That is wrong!!!!

I don't know if those in congress are getting paid or not. I haven't heard one way or the other. I do know when the battle involves ego's as tall as the empire state building, neither side is interested in solving the problem. It's win at any cost even if it causes harm to this country. The whole thing is asinine up the ying yang.
 
It is if the meteorite is under your control. Trump had the power to prevent the shutdown. He has the power to end it.

Yes, my friend. But, for now, it is impossible for humans to control meteorites, and therefore it is impossible for us to be responsible for their impact. That my was my point, friend.
 
Are you here to engage in a conversation with an open mind, or are you here just to post Democrat platitudes?

What a stupid thing to say.
 
Yes, my friend. But, for now, it is impossible for humans to control meteorites, and therefore it is impossible for us to be responsible for their impact. That my was my point, friend.

And your "point" is an utter fail wholly unsupported by facts.

It's astounding how many Trump fans think anyone who doesn't admire Trump and love him as president is just not seeing things accurately. Fact is, you bought into a phony and still haevn't realized it, and you think other people have the problem. It's entertaining.:2rofll:

What sucks is real people have to pay for your lack of ability to think rationally.
 
What a stupid thing to say.

Especially considering he's come here to convince eeveryone else how he's right and they're all wrong.:roll:

These fools still believe Trump was a success. The ONLY thing he succeeded at, except the Apprentice and he screwed himself there trying to get more money and ultimately failed at that. He didn't fail at becomeing POTUS, but he has utterly failed at being POTUS.:roll:
 
And your "point" is an utter fail wholly unsupported by facts.

It's astounding how many Trump fans think anyone who doesn't admire Trump and love him as president is just not seeing things accurately. Fact is, you bought into a phony and still haevn't realized it, and you think other people have the problem. It's entertaining.:2rofll:

What sucks is real people have to pay for your lack of ability to think rationally.

I actually did not vote for Trump. And I'm not a registered Republican. But that is beside the point. Your post epitomizes what I've been arguing about your side. You bring up some platitude or talking point, some two-dimensional retort while feigning wit. It's unfortunately predictable, my friend.
 
You realize that Republicans have had control of the House and Senate for two years?

You don't think at any point in those two years they couldn't have come up with an immigration reform package including full funding for a wall that would have won over enough Democrat senators to overcome a filibuster?

Why is it you are so eager to ignore the last two years to promote the narrative that Dems are to blame now?

And the opposition party has had filibuster power to stop most anything. (Just like back when the Democrats "controlled" everything.)

Your comment is misguided.....just like back when GOP partisans used to make the same claim.
 
This liberals hate american nonsense stems from them calling out bad actions carried out by some of our agencies, and turned into self hate by your propaganda mills. Quote one liberal saying those countries are better than their home?

Well, my friend, for now, mainstream Democrat politicians are not too bold to actually let the mask slip, revealing their true contempt for this country. But when you look at the general public, comparing ideologies, it is hard not to notice trends. Democrats, especially liberal Democrats, love to praise countries like Mexico, for example, and trample all over this country.

You being liberal, I'm sure you love to talk about Mexico being rich in culture and more.
You being liberal, you probably will not point out how corrupt the Mexican government is, laughing along with Vicente Fox.
You being liberal, you will probably not blame the Mexican government for its people being so desperate to leave Mexico that they are willing (if they're women or girls) to be raped to get into this country. In fact, according to Huffington Post, "80 percent of women and girls crossing into the U.S. by way of Mexico are raped during their journey." So Trump was right in saying they're bring "their rapists." He should have also mentioned "their raped."
You being liberal, you probably criticize the United States for the Mexican-American War, even though those parts of Mexico that the U.S. took over are more prosperous and civilized. In fact, you probably want the US government to give back the land or pay for it, or guilt Americans into accepting illegal immigrants from Mexico because this was their land before the white man stole it.
You being liberal, you may not say you hate America, but you certainly don't say you love it, unless you pull a Bill Maher and hypocritically make a speech in front of the American flag about our founding principles to attack Trump.
You being liberal, you probably support Colin Kaepernick and his anti-American protest.
You being liberal, you probably rejoice when the American flag is burned and trampled on--or at least you defend it morally.
You being liberal, eh, I think you get the point. :lamo
 
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And the opposition party has had filibuster power to stop most anything. (Just like back when the Democrats "controlled" everything.)

Your comment is misguided.....just like back when GOP partisans used to make the same claim.

Did they filibuster?
 
Well, my friend, for now, mainstream Democrat politicians are not too bold to actually let the mask slip, revealing their true contempt for this country. But when you look at the general public, comparing ideologies, it is hard not to notice trends. Democrats, especially liberal Democrats, love to praise countries like Mexico, for example, and trample all over this country.

You being liberal, I'm sure you love to talk about Mexico being rich in culture and more.
You being liberal, you probably will not point out how corrupt the Mexican government is, laughing along with Vicente Fox.
You being liberal, you will probably not blame the Mexican government for its people being so desperate to leave Mexico that they are willing (if they're women or girls) to be raped to get into this country. In fact, according to Huffington Post, "80 percent of women and girls crossing into the U.S. by way of Mexico are raped during their journey." So Trump was right in saying they're bring "their rapists." He should have also mentioned "their raped."
You being liberal, you probably criticize the United States for the Mexican-American War, even though those parts of Mexico that the U.S. took over are more prosperous and civilized. In fact, you probably want the US government to give back the land or pay for it, or guilt Americans into accepting illegal immigrants from Mexico because this was their land before the white man stole it.
You being liberal, you may not say you hate America, but you certainly don't say you love it, unless you pull a Bill Maher and hypocritically make a speech in front of the American flag about our founding principles to attack Trump.
You being liberal, you probably support Colin Kaepernick and his anti-American protest.
You being liberal, you probably rejoice when the American flag is burned and trampled on--or at least you defend it morally.
You being liberal, eh, I think you get the point. :lamo

So why do you lie about being a moderate?
 
Yes, my friend. But, for now, it is impossible for humans to control meteorites, and therefore it is impossible for us to be responsible for their impact. That my was my point, friend.

No, it wasn’t. You were suggesting Trump’s claimed responsibility for the shutdown is comparable to the impossibility of anyone controlling a meteorite. Logic is a tricky area for you.
 
Well, my friend, for now, mainstream Democrat politicians are not too bold to actually let the mask slip, revealing their true contempt for this country. But when you look at the general public, comparing ideologies, it is hard not to notice trends. Democrats, especially liberal Democrats, love to praise countries like Mexico, for example, and trample all over this country.

You being liberal, I'm sure you love to talk about Mexico being rich in culture and more.
You being liberal, you probably will not point out how corrupt the Mexican government is, laughing along with Vicente Fox.
You being liberal, you will probably not blame the Mexican government for its people being so desperate to leave Mexico that they are willing (if they're women or girls) to be raped to get into this country. In fact, according to Huffington Post, "80 percent of women and girls crossing into the U.S. by way of Mexico are raped during their journey." So Trump was right in saying they're bring "their rapists." He should have also mentioned "their raped."
You being liberal, you probably criticize the United States for the Mexican-American War, even though those parts of Mexico that the U.S. took over are more prosperous and civilized. In fact, you probably want the US government to give back the land or pay for it, or guilt Americans into accepting illegal immigrants from Mexico because this was their land before the white man stole it.
You being liberal, you may not say you hate America, but you certainly don't say you love it, unless you pull a Bill Maher and hypocritically make a speech in front of the American flag about our founding principles to attack Trump.
You being liberal, you probably support Colin Kaepernick and his anti-American protest.
You being liberal, you probably rejoice when the American flag is burned and trampled on--or at least you defend it morally.
You being liberal, eh, I think you get the point. :lamo

Do you have any liberal friends? I think you have been watching way too much cable news or listening to too much talk radio. You need to see if that rhetoric you have drowned your brain in actually meshes with reality.
 
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