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Why the right-wing is having a complete meltdown over the Supreme Court's leaked anti-abortion draft

It was a dirty attempt to influence the court.
In this poster's opinion it's "dirty" to attempt to influence a court that was illegally stacked by a traitor president in order to get out information that should have been free to the public anyway..

The poor, pure as the driven snow Supreme Court was sullied by having its dirty secrets aired!
 
It matters in the sense that they were not done debating and refining their position. What was released was a draft? Republicans have a right to be mad that the process was interfered with.
Sure. It lets the air in on their dirty, stinking treachery. It's a stacked court put in place by dirty money.
 
In this poster's opinion it's "dirty" to attempt to influence a court that was illegally stacked by a traitor president in order to get out information that should have been free to the public anyway..

The poor, pure as the driven snow Supreme Court was sullied by having its dirty secrets aired!
The level of histrionics by progressives amuses me
 
'guarantee that every unborn child has a right to life in South Dakota," the governor tweeted.' .......well at least we know where all the unwanted babies can be sent

Hey, more house seats for South Dakota.
 
Teachers always have to remind little children who have trouble expressing themselves to "use your words".
 

Conservatives are doing a victory lap in light of a recent report that the Supreme Court is poised to overturn Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 decision establishing the constitutional right to abortion, while at the same time seemingly having a complete meltdown about the potential impact of its release.

The bombshell report came late Monday evening, when Politico published a leaked draft of Associate Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito's majority opinion, written back in February, rehashing the constitutionality of Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey, which upheld Roe in 1992. According to the outlet, the draft is "a full-throated, unflinching repudiation" of both laws.

"Roe was egregiously wrong from the start," Alito reportedly wrote in his opinion. "We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled."

This week, conservative pundits and politicians immediately praised the controversial draft, which culminates a decades-long campaign by Republicans to roll back reproductive rights all across the nation.

On Monday, Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., a vehement anti-abortion advocate, called the court's alleged draft "a heck of an opinion."

"Voluminously researched, tightly argued, and morally powerful," he tweeted.

South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem vowed to call a special session in support the potential decision's rollout.

"If this report is true and Roe v. Wade is overturned, I will immediately call for a special session to save lives and guarantee that every unborn child has a right to life in South Dakota," the governor tweeted.

Other conservatives railed against the leak of draft, arguing that the move impugns the court's apparent nonpartisanship.

"Leaking a draft SCOTUS ruling is worse than January 6th. The Court was the one institution where conservatives and liberals lived in peace and trust," wrote right-wing commentator Mike Cernovich. "You disagreed but the trust was sacred. This completely destroys the Court's inner workings. Totally in shock right now."

"To violate an understanding that has held for the entire modern history of the Court – seeking to place outside political pressure on the Court and the justices themselves – is dangerous, despicable, and damaging," echoed Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah.

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Based on what I'm seeing around here and on cable news it sure looks like the right is having a complete meltdown and the left, per usual, is celebrating like this decision is the best thing since sliced bread. I agree 100%.
 
Everything about this is wrong!

It is, indeed, our misfortune as Americans that we must endure Trump's legacy. How cruel is fate when the worst President in our history was granted the privilege of appointing three Supreme Court Justices.


It would appear that the Republican dominated Supreme Court will issue a minority decision sometime in June, minority meaning an unpopular decision with respect to the American people.

ABC reports, "Amid reports of a draft Supreme Court opinion that would overturn Roe v. Wade, an ABC News/Washington Post poll finds that majorities of Americans support upholding Roe, say abortion should be legal in all or most cases and -- by a wide margin -- see abortion as a decision to be made by a woman and her doctor, not by lawmakers.

"In this poll 57% of Americans oppose a ban after 15 weeks; 58% say abortion should be legal in all or most cases; and 54% say the court should uphold Roe, compared with 28% who say the ruling should be overturned.

In other words, 28% think the state should dictate health issues for pregnant women, not the woman and her doctor. This belief is commonly held in the Republican South, where harsh restriction laws have already been passed.

This begs a question. Many wonder how Republican women in the South feel about old, white men dictating health decisions for them ... in so doing bypassing their doctors.

We will never find out. Republicans never talk about the repercussions of decisions made by Republican leaders, and this applies to the judges chosen by Republicans.

Raising a child is no small task. It becomes far more difficult if the mother is a child, a 16-year old girl who hasn't finished school yet. Then, of course, there are other issues to consider, a pregnancy the product of rape or incest for instance.

That said, it is safe to say that poor women will die if the conservative judges void Roe.

CNN reports, "President Joe Biden on Tuesday urged Congress to pass legislation codifying Roe v. Wade and said a woman’s right to have an abortion is “fundamental,” but said he wasn’t ready to call for an end to the filibuster to push for abortion rights legislation."

ABC reports, "Amid fallout from a leaked draft Supreme Court opinion, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said the conservative justices “lied” to the Senate during confirmation hearings when they assured senators the case that since 1973 has allowed abortion access was settled law."

Republican Senator Susan Collins agreed, saying the testimonies of Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaug were “completely inconsistent,” meaning they lied.

We know Trump led a coup attempt based on lies to overthrow our elected government. Has he also marginalized the Supreme Court?

"Leaking a draft SCOTUS ruling is worse than January 6th. The Court was the one institution where conservatives and liberals lived in peace and trust," wrote right-wing commentator Mike Cernovich. "You disagreed but the trust was sacred. This completely destroys the Court's inner workings. Totally in shock right now."

Vladimir Putin helped Trump become President in 2016. Is he now getting his wish. Has Trump, the leader of the Republican Party, done serious damage to the American government, a dream come true in Putin's mind?

Republicans expect to win control of Congress in November.
 
28% think the state should dictate health issues for pregnant women, not the woman and her doctor. This belief is commonly held in the Republican South, where harsh restriction laws have already been passed.
Everything about this is wrong.

"In Samuel Alito’s draft of the opinion that is likely to overturn Roe v. Wade, the conservative justice makes a familiar argument about the ruling that he seeks to overturn: that Roe was a poorly reasoned decision that isn’t based on anything in the U.S. Constitution," Slate.

Justice Alito argued, "The Constitution makes no mention of abortion, the Court held that it confers a broad right to obtain one." That argument is spurious, and, quite honestly, it is a foolish statement to make.

Our Constitution stresses basic American freedoms, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom to bear arms, freedom to assemble, and so on.

The freedom to make decisions regarding one's own health is a given. Much like the freedom to breathe air, the Framers never considered the freedom of health.

However, in the case of pregnancies, Republicans think the state should make health decisions for women. It is why three judges appointed by Trump favor the expiration of Roe.

The Catholic Church opposes abortion. Evangelicals, a dominant religion in the southern states, opposes abortion.

The idea that a human being is created at the point of conception is a religious belief. Republicans think they can impose religious beliefs upon others.

States like Texas, Mississippi, and Oklahoma that passed highly restrictive laws regarding abortion are defying reality and marginalizing their own religious beliefs. According to these states it is okay to kill a human being in the womb if it is within the parameters set by the state, be it six weeks, fifteen weeks, or whatever.

If the Republicans via their court appointed judges deny women the ability to make their own health decisions, what cherished freedoms will be next?

The freedom of free elections, for example. If Republican state officials do not like the result of an election, will the state change the result? We then head down the road of tyranny, and, thanks to Russian sponsored President Trump (2016 election), Vladimir Putin would be enormously pleased.
 
Justice Samuel Alito, author of leaked indictment of Roe vs. Wade, ducked a conference of his colleagues.

The Guardian reports, "The conservative justice has bailed on a conference of senior judges Thursday in New Orleans, Reuters reports, just three days after his opinion indicating the high court would overturn its landmark 1973 Roe v Wade decision that guaranteed the right to abortion nationwide was leaked.

"According to the news agency, Alito had been set to appear at the 5th US circuit court of appeals’ judicial conference, a gathering of judges from the New Orleans-based federal appeals court and the district courts of Louisiana, Mississippi and Texas, a person familiar with the matter said.

"But he has since canceled, the person said, and Patricia McCabe, a spokesperson for the supreme court, said he was not attending. No reason was given for why Alito was not going."

An educated guess can easily be made, and it would explain why Alito doesn't want to talk about it.

Overturning Roe is very unpopular with Americans. Also, Alito's colleagues may take exception to the fact that he favors criminalizing a medical procedure on the state level. Indeed, that has already been done some southern states.

Overturning Roe is so unpopular even several Republicans are opposed to it. They didn't want to talk about it.

Slate reports, "It is difficult to describe what an achievement the overturning of Roe v. Wade would be for the conservative movement. It is, more than maybe any other issue, foundational to the movement itself."

That said, however, "Leading Republicans on Tuesday preferred to make the story of Politico’s bombshell publication of Justice Samuel Alito’s draft opinion overturning Roe v. Wade not about the elimination of the right to an abortion. They tried to divert attention to the scandalous leak of that news itself."

This is how the Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell described the leak. "“Liberals want to rip the blindfold off Lady Justice. They want to override impartiality with intimidation. They want to elevate mob rule over the rule of law. This lawless action should be investigated and punished to the fullest extent possible.”

There was nothing about the conservative accomplishment enabled by the Supreme Court which will allow states to criminalize abortion, which some southern states have done already. Some states are considering the possibility of bringing criminal charges against a woman who got an abortion.

Little wonder as to why Republicans are not celebrating. This kind of thing can have a dramatic effect on the November elections, and Republicans want to hush up their achievement.

As is their custom, the forum's Republicans are staying silent about all this. As a general rule, Republicans never discuss what their party is doing.
 
Josh Hawley said that if it turns out a Supreme Court justice leaked the draft of the opinion, he should be impeached. It is great that Senator Hawley, star of the January 6th Insurrection, has his eye on the main problem. Instead of worrying about women's rights, he is worried about who might be sabotaging the Republicans in the 2022 elections! Sabotaging the Republicans would be an impeachable offense for a Supreme Court justice, while acting to aid his wife apparently was not an impeachable offense for Justice Thomas.

Josh Hawley should learn to keep his mouth shut. Nobody cares about what anti-American Constitution-hating assholes think.

As for Thomas? He will never get back his credibility for refusing to recuse himself when he knew his wife's communications with the WH would be exposed. She's an anti-American piece of shit too.
 
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