Jack Dawson
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I have yet to see a study that shows that the death penalty that has been re-enacted in any state has been a deterrent. Can you please show me how it's deterred people from committing those crimes in the first place?Jack Dawson said:It is a punishment! It was never designed to rehabilitate or send a message to others that it could happen to them too if they screwed up. I believe the term was detterent. Even though it was NOT designed to be it definitely has deterred those that have been executed. They have not brutally murdered any more, they have not rapted any more, they have not terrorized anyone any more, the have not molested children any more.
I am NOT for random use of the death penalty but when convicted and proven (where needed) be DNA testing or when there has been a confession it is appropriate PUNISHMENT for a deed done.
Arch Enemy said:I'll argue this till the day I die...
The death penalty is wrong.. more people are wrongfully convicted and sent to death then those who are rightfully sent to death. In the past the usage and sentencing of the Death Penalty has been used as a way to show a white judge's racism to a black protester.
The death penalty is morally wrong; truth for the Liberals.
The death penalty is against biblical teachings; truth for the Christian Conservatives.
I'd like to see 3 cases where the out-come, as a whole, has been successful and "good"
I think any more than zero of incorrectly applied death penalties is too much.sebastiansdreams said:Firstly, let me state that I am not for the death penalty. BUT, I do not believe unless you can somehow provide some pretty convincing evidence that more people are wrongly convicted of crimes warranting the death penalty than are correctly warranting the death penalty. That simply cannot be the case or there would be no one in support of the death penalty.
No one knows how many of the approximately 7,000 people put to death in the USA during this century were innocent. Since the resumption of US executions in 1977, Amnesty International has documented numerous cases where serious doubts concerning the prisoner's guilt still existed immediately prior to the execution. According to one prominent study, at least 23 innocent people had been executed in the USA this century prior to 1984.(3) Significantly, the authors of the report do not claim that the numbers represent the total of all innocent victims of the US death penalty, but merely those cases which their own research uncovered.
That I agree with. But that is not his statement. His statement was to a completely different effect. You must be incredibly thorough in such arguments, and that is a fairly large loophole don't you agree?shuamort said:I think any more than zero of incorrectly applied death penalties is too much.
From Amnesty International:
Very much so, and that's my first problem with the death penalty. It's not infallible. It's not proven to be infallible. Yes, we have the technology now for DNA testing but a capitol punishment doesn't always rest on DNA.sebastiansdreams said:That I agree with. But that is not his statement. His statement was to a completely different effect. You must be incredibly thorough in such arguments, and that is a fairly large loophole don't you agree?
Did you miss my article Jack? It said that judges CANNOT decide the death penalty. That's a supreme court decision. (A liberal supreme court decision :rofl ) The decision's up to the jury.Jack Dawson said::roll: Well folks, face the fact. An executed, proven, convicted killer, rapist, child molester, will never have that opportunity again because some liberal judge thought his life sentence was too much or that he had been a 'model' prisoner.
Source: http://www.free-definition.com/Murder.htmlFirst-degree murder (or murder in the first degree, or colloquially, murder one) refers to
premeditated murder, or murder which occurs after some degree of reflection by the murderer. This reflection can be years or less than a second.
Second-degree murder or voluntary manslaughter refers to
murder done without thought in the heat of the moment, or in some states after "adequate provocation", or
Third-degree murder, also known as manslaughter,
occurs without the specific intent to kill, but usually after an act of criminal negligence or some other act resulting in a person's death.
Yes, but how do you know FOR SURE that they committed a crime? With DNA evidence, we've found that we've executed some innocent people. Now you want to have them tortured to death as well (not minding that that idea would definitely be unconstitutional per the 8th Amendment).bushrules91 said:I strongly believe in the death penelty and frankly i think it should be used more often. If a murderer kills a person they should have to feel more pain than there victim did when they were killed. This new "painless" executions are just a bunch of bull. I dont understand why they should get the nice quick death when the person they killed had to suffer until the very end.
I don't believe in god, God, or any other type of deity. So don't worry about me using that excuse.bushrules91 said:Poeple tell me that we should not be the ones to decide who goes and who doesn't only god. well i just just tell him it wasn't his decision either. If they ended the life of an inocent and not in self defense then they should not have the gift that god gave them of being able to live on this earth.
So, are you here to just pile out your views or are you here to learn from other peoples' perspectives? A closed mind is like a closed parachute on the way down.bushrules91 said:If you should decide to reply to this then so be it because I will NOT back down.
Right, even a perfunctory knowledge of Kohlberg's level of moral development has this two principles at the opposite ends:Fu_chick said:And this is for all you Christians--
the death penalty is NOT a very Christian thing to support. I don't care what the OT says about an eye for an eye. Not only did Christ himself stop someone from being publicly executed -(John 8:7,) but He stated the the eye for an eye thing was the old way of doing things and He was the new way (Matthew 5:38)
I really have no CLUE how Christians can support such an institution. Christians should be dead set against this, not shouting for it!
shuamort said:Yes, but how do you know FOR SURE that they committed a crime? With DNA evidence, we've found that we've executed some innocent people. Now you want to have them tortured to death as well (not minding that that idea would definitely be unconstitutional per the 8th Amendment).
I don't believe in god, God, or any other type of deity. So don't worry about me using that excuse.
So, are you here to just pile out your views or are you here to learn from other peoples' perspectives? A closed mind is like a closed parachute on the way down.
Nicely done!Fu_chick said:And this is for all you Christians--
the death penalty is NOT a very Christian thing to support. I don't care what the OT says about an eye for an eye. Not only did Christ himself stop someone from being publicly executed -(John 8:7,) but He stated the the eye for an eye thing was the old way of doing things and He was the new way (Matthew 5:3
I really have no CLUE how Christians can support such an institution. Christians should be dead set against this, not shouting for it!
Binary_Digit said:Nicely done!
Capital punishment is nothing more than revenge. If statistics would indicate that it actually helps prevent future homocides, I would believe differently, but it doesn't. It devalues human life by making it a trade commodity. It encourages the notion that it's acceptable for people to take comfort, and even pleasure, in the death of another human being. It's a stoop to the killer's level.
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