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Why The Democrats Cheered Trump’s Defeat, But Should Be More Panicked Than Ever

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Why The Democrats Cheered Trump’s Defeat, But Should Be More Panicked Than Ever

https://townhall.com/columnists/kev...ut-should-be-more-panicked-than-ever-n2540315
On Friday afternoon, within minutes of President Trump ending the shutdown, the left declared victory.
Dancing up and down on his perceived “grave” the fund raising requests were e-blasted to supporters promising that the day’s events insured already assumed doom for a President they hate. Don’t tell them... but the opposite is now on its way. To see leftwing activists so eagerly cheer the defeat (even temporarily) of some of the most broad-based (and in many instances—Democrat initiated) objectives as it pertains to common sense border security was disheartening.
Why Congressional and Senate Democrats would refuse the opportunity to take partial credit of creating an orderly border process is mystifying. Especially so when 78%-90% of Americans seek tougher border measures. Most of whom also believe that a border barrier is a key component to the multi-lateral security strategy.
Directing people to the end of the fence, to the “point of entry” is rational—not immoral—as Speaker Pelosi asserts.
She asserts as much because of the sinister forces stirring the Democrat base at present.
The hard left has such hooks into the party’s base that they have literally forced leadership to completely abandon policy that they supported under President Obama.
Remember in 2013 Senator Schumer got the entire Democrat caucus to vote in lock step approval for a $40 billion border security package that included upwards of $8 billion in building additional miles of barriers.
So what’s changed? Donald Trump became President.... they were unprepared and are now fighting hard and dirty. Their precious vision of peacenik socialism, coupled with an ample servings of sexual anarchy, religious bigotry, and self superiority is once again slipping through their fingers.


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Reforms have armed and continue to empower more individuals to have increased personal economic options than they had known in the stagnant Obama ‘Recovery’ the previous presidential administration oversaw. The Progressive Marxist Socialist Enemy Media can try to ‘Sell/Tell’ us all the exact opposite.
Strangely Trump's approval among Hispanics jumped 19% from December to January. It's now 50%. Some think it's because of the lowest unemployment, others think it's because he's standing up for illegal immigration control.
The obsession with importing welfare recipients to outvote working people knows no bounds. It's been going on for years. It shows that the PMS Dem Left doesn't care about the costs of illegal immigration or about following our laws no matter how much damage illegals do. Their giving aid and comfort to our enemies amounts to treason. Our ruling PMS Elites neither know nor care that ordinary voters see their one-world ambitions as treason. Calling It Treason 1 | Scragged
"Politicians at the top of the heap would rather ally with their nominal political opponents to fleece the general public than represent the wishes of the general public."
Personally, I'm not buying it. President Trump hasn’t let me down, yet. The perfidious Democrats have. I’m looking forward to the completion of this term and all it entails and then on to his next.
 
[quickly shakes head]

Whether a trump supporter is posting on an online debate forum or writing an article for a hard right wing blog, trump supporter arguments are just chaotic, free-stream consciousness rants.
 
The Progressive Marxist Socialist Enemy Media

All the extremist right wing conservative buzzwords!

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Why Congressional and Senate Democrats would refuse the opportunity to take partial credit of creating an orderly border process is mystifying. Especially so when 78%-90% of Americans seek tougher border measures. Most of whom also believe that a border barrier is a key component to the multi-lateral security strategy.

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Firstly, Trump has shown little interest in creating an orderly border process.

He's all over the place, making up dollar figures, making up crime stats, redefining how much wall he wants and what kind ... all to try to manufacture something he can use to save face with his base.


His concern doesn't appear to go much deeper than the bumper sticker slogan he started with.
 
When i think of todays “New Democrats”, I’m reminded that Venezuela was a democracy in the ‘70’s intil they turned socialist.

The leaders tell you they only want to be benevolent masters, but they become masters of the worst kind.
 
[quickly shakes head]

Whether a trump supporter is posting on an online debate forum or writing an article for a hard right wing blog, trump supporter arguments are just chaotic, free-stream consciousness rants.

Articles like these remind me of all the times in high school football that somebody who was clearly concussed was trying to act as if his brain didn't just bang around inside their own skull like a goldfish in a plastic bag.
 
Why The Democrats Cheered Trump’s Defeat, But Should Be More Panicked Than Ever

https://townhall.com/columnists/kev...ut-should-be-more-panicked-than-ever-n2540315
On Friday afternoon, within minutes of President Trump ending the shutdown, the left declared victory.
Dancing up and down on his perceived “grave” the fund raising requests were e-blasted to supporters promising that the day’s events insured already assumed doom for a President they hate. Don’t tell them... but the opposite is now on its way. To see leftwing activists so eagerly cheer the defeat (even temporarily) of some of the most broad-based (and in many instances—Democrat initiated) objectives as it pertains to common sense border security was disheartening.
Why Congressional and Senate Democrats would refuse the opportunity to take partial credit of creating an orderly border process is mystifying. Especially so when 78%-90% of Americans seek tougher border measures. Most of whom also believe that a border barrier is a key component to the multi-lateral security strategy.
Directing people to the end of the fence, to the “point of entry” is rational—not immoral—as Speaker Pelosi asserts.
She asserts as much because of the sinister forces stirring the Democrat base at present.
The hard left has such hooks into the party’s base that they have literally forced leadership to completely abandon policy that they supported under President Obama.
Remember in 2013 Senator Schumer got the entire Democrat caucus to vote in lock step approval for a $40 billion border security package that included upwards of $8 billion in building additional miles of barriers.
So what’s changed? Donald Trump became President.... they were unprepared and are now fighting hard and dirty. Their precious vision of peacenik socialism, coupled with an ample servings of sexual anarchy, religious bigotry, and self superiority is once again slipping through their fingers.


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Reforms have armed and continue to empower more individuals to have increased personal economic options than they had known in the stagnant Obama ‘Recovery’ the previous presidential administration oversaw. The Progressive Marxist Socialist Enemy Media can try to ‘Sell/Tell’ us all the exact opposite.
Strangely Trump's approval among Hispanics jumped 19% from December to January. It's now 50%. Some think it's because of the lowest unemployment, others think it's because he's standing up for illegal immigration control.
The obsession with importing welfare recipients to outvote working people knows no bounds. It's been going on for years. It shows that the PMS Dem Left doesn't care about the costs of illegal immigration or about following our laws no matter how much damage illegals do. Their giving aid and comfort to our enemies amounts to treason. Our ruling PMS Elites neither know nor care that ordinary voters see their one-world ambitions as treason. Calling It Treason 1 | Scragged
"Politicians at the top of the heap would rather ally with their nominal political opponents to fleece the general public than represent the wishes of the general public."
Personally, I'm not buying it. President Trump hasn’t let me down, yet. The perfidious Democrats have. I’m looking forward to the completion of this term and all it entails and then on to his next.

Look. democrats and liberals resist Trump’s border panic because he has attached race to it. If he had suggested for discussion that the border needs shoring up, that immigration needs to be controlled, reformed, whatever, things would have been worked on. If he had mentioned visa overstayers with border jumpers, it would have been different. But he had to go the Mexican rapist route in his infamous screed. Remember that there is bipartisan immigration legislation passed and pending. Trump has brought this on himself through his appeals to bigotry. Hard to knock it. His partisans lap it up.
 
The tactic appears simple. Nancy Pelosi will say "no" to President Trump about everything and anything, no exceptions. He can agree to exactly everything she wants or the government will close down and Trump will be blamed. The more destruction Pelosi can cause to the USA and Americans the more it hurts Trump.
 
The entire OP is fallacious. It presupposes Democrats claim to be against border security, secretly are happy to fund it, but won't do so when Trump asks.

In fact they have never been against border security, have always been openly happy to fund it, including necessary 'barriers' and other structures. The bill they offered Trump before the shutdown asked for as much.

But Trump wanted a downpayment on his symbolic 'wall' and they didn't see the need, so he threw a hissy fit and shut down the govt - just as he said in his own words he would: we've all seen the tape.

Trump owned that shutdown and he lost.
 
The tactic appears simple. Nancy Pelosi will say "no" to President Trump about everything and anything, no exceptions. He can agree to exactly everything she wants or the government will close down and Trump will be blamed. The more destruction Pelosi can cause to the USA and Americans the more it hurts Trump.

Until trump starts asking for what the country needs rather than what his ego wants, he'd better get used to hearing that word.
 
The entire OP is fallacious. It presupposes Democrats claim to be against border security, secretly are happy to fund it, but won't do so when Trump asks.

In fact they have never been against border security, have always been openly happy to fund it, including necessary 'barriers' and other structures. The bill they offered Trump before the shutdown asked for as much.

But Trump wanted a downpayment on his symbolic 'wall' and they didn't see the need, so he threw a hissy fit and shut down the govt - just as he said in his own words he would: we've all seen the tape.

Trump owned that shutdown and he lost.

You are so totally and completely wrong:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9276dfe6ce9b

Worse, Democrats are doing it over a border wall strikingly similar to one that they almost unanimously supported just five years ago. While House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) now says that “a wall is an immorality,” back in 2013, she supported a bill that required the construction of 700 miles of border fencing. (Trump has called for a wall of “anywhere from 700 to 900 miles” long.) The bill negotiated by the Gang of Eight, which included current Democratic leaders Sens. Charles E. Schumer (N.Y.) and Richard J. Durbin (Ill.), declared that “not later than 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary [of Homeland Security] shall establish . . . the ‘Southern Border Fencing Strategy,’ to identify where 700 miles of fencing (including double-layer fencing) . . . should be deployed along the Southern border.”

That’s not all. The bill further said that “the Secretary may not adjust the status of aliens who have been granted registered provisional immigrant status . . . until 6 months after . . . [the Secretary submits] a written certification that . . . there is in place along the Southern Border no fewer than 700 miles of pedestrian fencing.” In other words, Democrats agreed that no illegal immigrants could get a path to citizenship until all 700 miles of border fencing had been fully completed.

They won't do it because Trump's wall works. I can only presume they don't want the price of drugs to go up and crime to go with it, and they want cheap labor to keep low end non union businesses happy. The "Hissy fit" is Pelosi wanting to string DACA's along for a political argument.

It's a hopeless argument when people keep buying the MSM party line.
 
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Why Congressional and Senate Democrats would refuse the opportunity to take partial credit of creating an orderly border process is mystifying.
LOL!!!!

Literally, the only major political party interested in creating an orderly border process is the Democratic party. Republicans say they want immigration reform, but only after the border is secured. That's like saying we're going to repeal prohibition, but only after we've arrested everyone who drank a beer under prohibition. That's not how it works. If a law is stupid then you get rid of the law and replace it with something that makes sense. Once you have a reasonable law worth enforcing then we can talk about enforcing it.

The Truth is that Republicans hate brown people and don't want them here. Security is the excuse they use to justify their racism.
 
Look. democrats and liberals resist Trump’s border panic because he has attached race to it. If he had suggested for discussion that the border needs shoring up, that immigration needs to be controlled, reformed, whatever, things would have been worked on. If he had mentioned visa overstayers with border jumpers, it would have been different. But he had to go the Mexican rapist route in his infamous screed. Remember that there is bipartisan immigration legislation passed and pending. Trump has brought this on himself through his appeals to bigotry. Hard to knock it. His partisans lap it up.


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Funny how you interpret what Trump say's as racist. Meanwhile your TDS is showing like a frayed slip below your skirt. Surely that legislature you mention does not include the 200 mile barrier that President Trump is asking for.
 
OK, I'll bite. What does the country need?

Jobs, security, opportunity, environment: the usual things. Nothing you haven't heard before. Nothing that needs to be argued to death in this thread.

What it doesn't need are vanity projects like a superfluous wall, and that's what I was getting at, because that is what Congress has most recently said 'no' to. It also doesn't need travel bans and family separations and new census questions and other things the courts have said 'no' to.

So while he goes on satisfying his own demands and those of his shrinking base, he can get used to hearing that word a lot more.
 
They won't do it because Trump's wall works. I can only presume they don't want the price of drugs to go up and crime to go with it, and they want cheap labor to keep low end non union businesses happy. The "Hissy fit" is Pelosi wanting to string DACA's along for a political argument.

That article seems to be splitting hairs over what to call a 'wall'. The fact is spending bills always had money for border security, including fencing and barriers, but not an extra 5 billion for Trump's symbolic hate wall. The real problem seems to be congress didn't offer up something Trump could stamp his name on.
 
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Funny how you interpret what Trump say's as racist. Meanwhile your TDS is showing like a frayed slip below your skirt. Surely that legislature you mention does not include the 200 mile barrier that President Trump is asking for.

Don’t understand. My point is that Trump was using race when he made that Mexican rapist speech. If I were advising him, I would suggest that he not make such comments, or the recent ones about taped up women being smuggled across the border without noting evidence for his claims. When he says stuff like the above or that Middle Easterners are traveling with the caravan without offering sources or proof, he is the one that seems deranged, not his critics. I don’t like the guy at all, but his advisors are not serving him well if they don’t press him on this. Does it please you when he says stuff that is without proof or easily disproven?
 
Don’t understand. My point is that Trump was using race when he made that Mexican rapist speech. If I were advising him, I would suggest that he not make such comments, or the recent ones about taped up women being smuggled across the border without noting evidence for his claims. When he says stuff like the above or that Middle Easterners are traveling with the caravan without offering sources or proof, he is the one that seems deranged, not his critics. I don’t like the guy at all, but his advisors are not serving him well if they don’t press him on this. Does it please you when he says stuff that is without proof or easily disproven?

So you don't like that Trump points out human trafficking or

6 Middle Eastern men arrested crossing Mexico-Arizona border
6 Middle Eastern men arrested crossing Mexico-Arizona border
Six Middle Eastern men were arrested Monday after they allegedly tried to illegally cross the Arizona-Mexico border, the Border Patrol said.
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Terrorists from groups besides ISIS crossing U.S.-Mexico
https://www.politifact.com/florida/...ists-groups-besides-isis-crossing-us-mexico-/
These are people coming into the United States from 35 Middle Eastern, African and Asian countries associated with terrorist groups. ... either caught crossing the border or presenting themselves
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Feds Have Built Only 32 Miles of 700 Mile Double-Border
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/feds-have-built-only-32-miles...
(CNSNews.com) - The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has built only 32 miles of double-layer fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border out of the 700 miles originally mandated by a 2006 act of Congress, according to the Government Accountability Office (GAO).
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Deadly human trafficking business on Mexico-US border
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/01/deadly-human...
Human trafficking accounts for an increasing part of the income for the cartels. It is a safer way of making money, according to the priest.
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Drug Cartels: Where Human Trafficking and Human Smuggling
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/ana-davila/drug-cartels-where-human...
Jun 16, 2015 · In this context, the growing control of cartels over human trafficking is expected to generate an increase in the frequency, reach, and impact of this criminal activity in …
 
Don’t understand. My point is that Trump was using race when he made that Mexican rapist speech. If I were advising him, I would suggest that he not make such comments, or the recent ones about taped up women being smuggled across the border without noting evidence for his claims. When he says stuff like the above or that Middle Easterners are traveling with the caravan without offering sources or proof, he is the one that seems deranged, not his critics. I don’t like the guy at all, but his advisors are not serving him well if they don’t press him on this. Does it please you when he says stuff that is without proof or easily disproven?

So you don't like that Trump points out human trafficking or

6 Middle Eastern men arrested crossing Mexico-Arizona border
6 Middle Eastern men arrested crossing Mexico-Arizona border
Six Middle Eastern men were arrested Monday after they allegedly tried to illegally cross the Arizona-Mexico border, the Border Patrol said.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Terrorists from groups besides ISIS crossing U.S.-Mexico
https://www.politifact.com/florida/...ists-groups-besides-isis-crossing-us-mexico-/
These are people coming into the United States from 35 Middle Eastern, African and Asian countries associated with terrorist groups. ... either caught crossing the border or presenting themselves
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Feds Have Built Only 32 Miles of 700 Mile Double-Border
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/feds-have-built-only-32-miles...
(CNSNews.com) - The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has built only 32 miles of double-layer fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border out of the 700 miles originally mandated by a 2006 act of Congress, according to the Government Accountability Office (GAO).
 
LOL!!!!

Literally, the only major political party interested in creating an orderly border process is the Democratic party. Republicans say they want immigration reform, but only after the border is secured. That's like saying we're going to repeal prohibition, but only after we've arrested everyone who drank a beer under prohibition. That's not how it works. If a law is stupid then you get rid of the law and replace it with something that makes sense. Once you have a reasonable law worth enforcing then we can talk about enforcing it.

The Truth is that Republicans hate brown people and don't want them here. Security is the excuse they use to justify their racism.

The democrats are only interested in letting in cheap labor to keep sweatshop factories running in her district. What other nation goes outof its way to import poverty?

And Wonka, you are a racist for seeing everything through a racist’s lens as if you are some sort of a “race account”.
 
[quickly shakes head]

Whether a trump supporter is posting on an online debate forum or writing an article for a hard right wing blog, trump supporter arguments are just chaotic, free-stream consciousness rants.

didn't even bother reading, came from Townhall knew it would be complete nonsense. Funny, people whining about fake news that post nothing but fake news websites
 
The tactic appears simple. Nancy Pelosi will say "no" to President Trump about everything and anything, no exceptions. He can agree to exactly everything she wants or the government will close down and Trump will be blamed. The more destruction Pelosi can cause to the USA and Americans the more it hurts Trump.

Pelosi is saying no to Trump in accordance with the wishes of the majority of Americans. Sorry, but if you're a Trump supporter or in favor of a border wall, that majority doesn't include you.
 
LOL!!!!

Literally, the only major political party interested in creating an orderly border process is the Democratic party. Republicans say they want immigration reform, but only after the border is secured. That's like saying we're going to repeal prohibition, but only after we've arrested everyone who drank a beer under prohibition. That's not how it works. If a law is stupid then you get rid of the law and replace it with something that makes sense. Once you have a reasonable law worth enforcing then we can talk about enforcing it.

The Truth is that Republicans hate brown people and don't want them here. Security is the excuse they use to justify their racism.

Exactly. We never hear Trump or his base demanding a wall on our much longer northern border. Could it be because those people are not brown, and are not fleeing poverty or violence at home?
 
So you don't like that Trump points out human trafficking or

6 Middle Eastern men arrested crossing Mexico-Arizona border
6 Middle Eastern men arrested crossing Mexico-Arizona border
Six Middle Eastern men were arrested Monday after they allegedly tried to illegally cross the Arizona-Mexico border, the Border Patrol said.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Terrorists from groups besides ISIS crossing U.S.-Mexico
https://www.politifact.com/florida/...ists-groups-besides-isis-crossing-us-mexico-/
These are people coming into the United States from 35 Middle Eastern, African and Asian countries associated with terrorist groups. ... either caught crossing the border or presenting themselves
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Feds Have Built Only 32 Miles of 700 Mile Double-Border
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/feds-have-built-only-32-miles...
(CNSNews.com) - The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has built only 32 miles of double-layer fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border out of the 700 miles originally mandated by a 2006 act of Congress, according to the Government Accountability Office (GAO).
~~~~~~~~~~~~​
Deadly human trafficking business on Mexico-US border
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/01/deadly-human...
Human trafficking accounts for an increasing part of the income for the cartels. It is a safer way of making money, according to the priest.
~~~~~~~~~~~~​
Drug Cartels: Where Human Trafficking and Human Smuggling
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/ana-davila/drug-cartels-where-human...
Jun 16, 2015 · In this context, the growing control of cartels over human trafficking is expected to generate an increase in the frequency, reach, and impact of this criminal activity in …

Don't mind at all if he points it out. I worked on the issue years ago. But he needs to quote sources and not apparently make up stuff like the taped women, Mexican rapists, black on white homicide, etc., without offering proof. He had to backtrack on the "middle easterners in the caravan" claim. His problem is that he lies so frequently, even about stuff that is easily checked, that his credibility is in the toilet with people he needs to win over. He's got his base. They don't care if he makes up stuff. Others do.
 
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