Why the democratic party keeps losing

[scottyz]

So...let me get this straight..

Spending PEOPLE's money on PEOPLE's programs like social security, welfare, etc. is an idiotic liberal waste of money.

Spending PEOPLE's money on killing PEOPLE in Iraq, funding Iran-Contras to kill people (Reagan) and putting people like Pinochet (dictator killed his own peope) in power is a great justice.

Yes. Spending money on foreigners is always better than spending money on making your own tax paying citizens lives easier.

 

[Diogenes]

So...let me get this straight..

Spending PEOPLE's money on PEOPLE's programs like social security, welfare, etc. is an idiotic liberal waste of money.

Throwing more money at programs which have always failed at their intended purpose is always a waste of the resources. Fifteen years after the Wall came down, I'm surprised to hear people who still voice your point of view.

 

[Stu Ghatze]

And Republicans love to spend billions on failed wars, corporate welfare and on funding American killing iraqis as long as it's not their money.

Failed wars..? It is because of appeasing liberal's like yourself who do NOT want America to win, & let alone engage our enemies.

It is the liberal whackos, appeasers, apologists, the handwringers..& their lot who REFUSE to make a distinction between who the enemy really is, & in fact give aid, & comfort to our adversaries.

THey are the internationalists, & multiculteralists who want to live in America enjoy its freedoms, suck off from the social programs,...& then CONDEMN america at every opportunity.

This idiotic notion of invented "rights" causes over every stupid bit of behavorial trait from homosexuality, to criminal rights, & making "victims" out of focus groups.

The "great society" programs of the quack phoney liberals, & LBJ SPENT roughly 5-trillion dollars to help end poverty, & to help educate the "so called" most needy in America.

Result: The same people are STILL crying that they are poor, ..& in fact they are dumber still. THere is LESS respect for their teachers, ..& law enforcement. They know NOTHING of geography, & probably could not even tell you who their own state reps are! Ignorant in speaking english, cannot do simple arithmetic.

Crime, & teen-age pregnancy, abortion, STD's...way over the top; although some areas "might" be a tad lower these days....which continues to help insure more hopelessness!

Subsidized housing, ..or even free in some instances, free medical care, free dental care, food stamps w/cash alotments in some cases,the wic program, free pre-natal care,free legal help,...& then "some" also get to have extra "entitlements" based upon the amount of melanin in their blood, & the percieved notion that everybody's ancestor was a slave 140 years ago, ..or the fact that somehow they "must" be currently being exploited, underprivileged, or economically locked out!

They sure are eating pretty well, have yet to see any exploited victims, or anybody undernourished, ..but in fact the majority of them are grossly overweight!:2razz:

Time to give them their own fishing pole so they can catch their own fish, ...almost 40 years of sponging off from those who are the productive!

Indeed nearly 40 years of this funding, ..yea..lets pull out. 5-trillion dollars IS enough. No wonder so many prefer seeing themselves as victims as it provides, & provides, ...& provides for them, & also gives them extra time to engage in the pursuit of their happiness & expertise,...CRIME!

 

[Navy Pride]

Excellent Post Stu.........Liberals just don't get it.............Their giveaway programs have failed....

 

[scottyz]

Failed wars..? )

Let's see... The admin. claimed the Iraq war would last months, the troops would be showered with flowers, the Iraqi Republican Guard would beg to join us and the Iraqis would pay for the whole thing. Which of these have ended up being true?? NONE OF THEM. That's what most people call failure. It hasn't even stopped terrorism because terrorist attacks tripled in '04. There were attacks in Spain and England. If they can't get that right why would any reasonable person expect them to get anything else right.

 

[Navy Pride]

Let's see... The admin. claimed the Iraq war would last months, the troops would be showered with flowers, the Iraqi Republican Guard would beg to join us and the Iraqis would pay for the whole thing. Which of these have ended up being true?? NONE OF THEM. That's what most people call failure. It hasn't even stopped terrorism because terrorist attacks tripled in '04. There were attacks in Spain and England. If they can't get that right why would any reasonable person expect them to get anything else right.

President Bush said the war on terror would be going on for a long time and when your in a war things don't go always as planned..............Its very easy to be a Monday Morning Quarterback and second guess everything the administration does.........

As far as terroist attacks go I thought that after 9/11/01 we would have had and attack on this country every other week........Well its been almost 4 years and we have not had another attack on this country.........That is good enough for me.........

 

[scottyz]

President Bush said the war on terror would be going on for a long time and when your in a war things don't go always as planned..............Its very easy to be a Monday Morning Quarterback and second guess everything the administration does.........

:rofl These specific statements were made in regard specifically to the conflict in Iraq, not the "war on terror". They were all WRONG and the admin. had absolutely no clue what they were getting into or what they were getting our troops into. It shouldn't be hard to understand. There were no "terrorist" attacks in Iraq prior to Dubya's invasion.

It's your duty as an American to second guess an Admin. that obviously doens't know what it's doing and is getting our troops killed in the process. If you want to blindly follow an Administration maybe you'd be happier living in China.

 

[Diogenes]

It's your duty as an American to second guess an Admin. that obviously doens't know what it's doing and is getting our troops killed in the process. If you want to blindly follow an Administration maybe you'd be happier living in China.

Or under Carter, or Clinton, or Lyndon Johnson?

 

[Navy Pride]

dude, I've never heard from someone who is so evil before in my life. I really can't believe that someone could possibly be so indifferent, and not only that, bitter towards people who are suffering. I can tell you, God is saving a special piece of hell for you, and I'm saying that with 100% seriousness.

Dude, (I hate that word, it does not make you seem any bigger) He is right on......

 

[Stu Ghatze]

dude, I've never heard from someone who is so evil before in my life. I really can't believe that someone could possibly be so indifferent, and not only that, bitter towards people who are suffering. I can tell you, God is saving a special piece of hell for you, and I'm saying that with 100% seriousness.

Indifferent, & bitter towards those suffering? No, not at all. In fact, I see people looting, robbing, & raping...& some who enjoy rifle sniping at those sent to help them w/ regards to "some" of the hurricane victims!

Now....it is FAR more than just hurricane victims I'am talking about. It is an everyday mentality by "many" people who seem to think that it is the responsibilty of the government to take care of damn near EVERY facet of their lives it is not just confined to one group, ..but many groups!

It was NOT always this way, ..as most only wanted an opportunity to succeed in life; but that was long ago before the age of institutionalized liberalism took hold whereas code words of "exploited, underprivileged, economically locked out, & poor" meant get your meal ticket, & everything thing else the government has to offer because they feel justified now to recieve!

Many on the government dole do not even appreciate a damn thing anymore, ..& darn few are probably not in the type of need that most would think, & by ''TODAY's" standards are way way better off than what the real poor were of 50 + years ago.

I have no arguments about the elderly, or the infirmed who really need & recieve help; ..but they are actually just a small fraction of the many that should not be!

It is also evil to be expecting & demanding "something" that one is not entitled to by those pretending to constantly be in need because they have found their "comfort" zone of having the tax payer subsidize 50-80% of their life style because they "fit" the categories of the focus groups "invented" by the liberals to curry favor & votes for the democratic party.

The government has replaced the father figure, ..& hence there is little left within the family unit that teaches right from wrong. Women going from one man to the next, & men going from one women to another. Babies having babies, ..if not aborted by state funds first, & more cycles of despair & hopelessness, & then the audacity of the liberals telling them they are victims of everybody else, ..so they can continue to live guilt free, & never having to take responsibility for THEIR own actions!

I can also tell you that you will be surprised..:shock: to learn that it will not just be the so called wealthy, or common 9-5 workers who will be find themselves in hell either; ..& there will NOT be any excuses for crime, dishonesty & immorality based on "PHONEY" socio/economic reasons as well, for in death there is NO rich or poor!

Sometimes the truth needs told undiluted, ..but I suspect you knew it anyway, ..you were just angry because I said what the majority already knows anyway, ..but yours truly doesn't give a crap about P.C.

Indeed, ..with the liberal courts excommunicating all knowledge of God in a free society by inventing phrases & words that do NOT exist in the constitution; ("seperation of church & state") it is rather difficult for people to examine their "OWN" consciences, or what is left of them, ..if not already consigned to reprobate thanks to the secular humanists who have replaced God with themselves!

 

[ElGringo17]

The Demonrats keep losing because they are out of touch with America. From their support for sexual deviants like homosexuals to marry in spite of the overwhelming will of the people, their rediculous taxation and wealth redistribution, their hatred of the 2nd Amendment, their hatred for the 1st Amendment, their hatred for individual rights and liberties of the people, their intolerance and loathing of heterosexuals and Caucasians, their sexist bigotry in supporting FeminoFascists, to their support of a huge, stifling bureaurcracy, it is becoming more an more apparent..The Demonrats .......JUST DON"T GET IT!

 

[Martyr_Machine]

Spending PEOPLE's money on PEOPLE's programs like social security, welfare, etc. is an idiotic liberal waste of money.

Absolutely. Redistribution of wealth is a massive unconstitutional failure.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Stu Ghatze:
Indifferent, & bitter towards those suffering? No, not at all. In fact, I see people looting, robbing, & raping...& some who enjoy rifle sniping at those sent to help them w/ regards to "some" of the hurricane victims!

This wouldn't be at any checkpoints, would it?

Originally posted by Stu Ghatze:
Now....it is FAR more than just hurricane victims I'am talking about. It is an everyday mentality by "many" people who seem to think that it is the responsibilty of the government to take care of damn near EVERY facet of their lives it is not just confined to one group, ..but many groups!

But it is OK for the government to go invade another nation and take care of them.

Originally posted by Stu Ghatze:
It was NOT always this way, ..as most only wanted an opportunity to succeed in life; but that was long ago before the age of institutionalized liberalism took hold whereas code words of "exploited, underprivileged, economically locked out, & poor" meant get your meal ticket, & everything thing else the government has to offer because they feel justified now to recieve!

So you think the Great Depression was a good thing that should of been continued.

Originally posted by Stu Ghatze:
Many on the government dole do not even appreciate a damn thing anymore, ..& darn few are probably not in the type of need that most would think, & by ''TODAY's" standards are way way better off than what the real poor were of 50 + years ago.

I have no arguments about the elderly, or the infirmed who really need & recieve help; ..but they are actually just a small fraction of the many that should not be!

It is also evil to be expecting & demanding "something" that one is not entitled to by those pretending to constantly be in need because they have found their "comfort" zone of having the tax payer subsidize 50-80% of their life style because they "fit" the categories of the focus groups "invented" by the liberals to curry favor & votes for the democratic party.

Do you really believe this garbage that it is all liberals fault? You do not see that part of the reason lay on the shoulders of bullshit Christians. Or that all of this really, is our fault. All Americans above the voting age have a hand in this.

Originally posted by Stu Ghatze:
The government has replaced the father figure, ..& hence there is little left within the family unit that teaches right from wrong. Women going from one man to the next, & men going from one women to another. Babies having babies, ..if not aborted by state funds first, & more cycles of despair & hopelessness, & then the audacity of the liberals telling them they are victims of everybody else, ..so they can continue to live guilt free, & never having to take responsibility for THEIR own actions!

You left out men going to other men and women going to other women and ...

Originally posted by Stu Ghatze:
I can also tell you that you will be surprised.. to learn that it will not just be the so called wealthy, or common 9-5 workers who will be find themselves in hell either; ..& there will NOT be any excuses for crime, dishonesty & immorality based on "PHONEY" socio/economic reasons as well, for in death there is NO rich or poor!

I'll wager their is a lotta you down there.

Originally posted by Stu Ghatze:
Sometimes the truth needs told undiluted, ..but I suspect you knew it anyway, ..you were just angry because I said what the majority already knows anyway, ..but yours truly doesn't give a crap about P.C.

You also don't give a crap about the truth.

Originally posted by Stu Ghatze:
Indeed, ..with the liberal courts excommunicating all knowledge of God in a free society by inventing phrases & words that do NOT exist in the constitution; ("seperation of church & state") it is rather difficult for people to examine their "OWN" consciences, or what is left of them, ..if not already consigned to reprobate thanks to the secular humanists who have replaced God with themselves!

You don't have a clue as to what God is all about.

 

[Stu Ghatze]

This wouldn't be at any checkpoints, would it?

But it is OK for the government to go invade another nation and take care of them.

So you think the Great Depression was a good thing that should of been continued.

Do you really believe this garbage that it is all liberals fault? You do not see that part of the reason lay on the shoulders of bullshit Christians. Or that all of this really, is our fault. All Americans above the voting age have a hand in this.

You left out men going to other men and women going to other women and ...

I'll wager their is a lotta you down there.

You also don't give a crap about the truth.

You don't have a clue as to what God is all about.

Your last sentence sums it up perfectly, ("You don't have a clue about God")?? This anti-god liberal socialist agenda is, & has been to exorcize the name of God from out of everything, at the behest of the liberal democrats.

The very same ideological belief system that you have hitched your wagon to, ..& then you tell ME that I don't have a clue about what God is about!

You liberals love free speech, ..as long as YOU agree with the message.

If liberals don't agree with the message, ..then those people are labeled as, "Haters" , & they seem to think that THEY are not then deserving of free speech.

Liberals have an epithet that they love to stick on for anybody that does not agree with them.

Being poor, which by TODAY'S standards is actually rare, ...is no excuse for immoral, & criminal behavior, or for abusing the social give away programs, & think not that that will excuse them from their own little parcel of space in hell.

Your error is equating success, & wealth because of hard work...with evil, & assuming those not as fortunate as being above reproach, or guiltless in their behavior. (the typical liberal mentality) The indisputable truth is that there is good & evil alike ..in wealth, or in being poor!

That is why liberals love socialism; ..rather than self improvememt, & chance for ALL to better themselves THEY would prefer everybody being poor, & having no opportunity, ..as THEY see that as "fair" in some twisted form of justice! (jealousy & covetness)

The crux of this socialistic liberal ideology is also very hypocritical because the very ones attempting this socialistic agenda are very wealthy themselves, ..but then again THEY never had ANY intention of sharing THEIR wealth with anybody, or giving up their wealth so they could pretend to be good little liberal socialistic soldiers identifying themselves with the so called poor!:shock:

They simply LOVE telling the poor, the ignorant, the uninformed & the focus groups WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR ...for the VOTES!

AND....after 40 years of liberal democratic control, ...there are MANY MANY MILLIONS WHO ARE STILL POOR, IGNORANT & UNINFORMED, & STILL ARE WARDS OF THE STATE!

 

[Billo_Really]

Stu Ghatze,

I'm wondering if we are having a conversation. Because some of your post is responding to things I wasn't saying. I would hope you would try to understand my point of view before you start drawing conclusions and formatting your reply. If you don't, then you don't know what your talking about. Nor do you know what your objecting too. Keep in mind I'm not accusing you of this, just hoping you give me the same respect I give you, when I try to understand your position.

I don't understand where you get that my comment about you and God has anything to do with an overall liberal agenda. I made the comment because of your pro-war stance on Iraq. I have stated on other threads, you cannot be pro-God and pro-war at the same time. God is not about humans killing humans. Vengence is HIS, not ours. And people that think they can carry a bible in one hand and a 357 magnum in the other, and think they are a Christian, is bullshit. Its either one or the other. Not both.

As far as your "haters" comment, I try not to put labels on people. I have in the past, and I'm sure I will again. But its not the bread and butter of my debate. Nor is trying to get people to agree with me. I'm not looking for agreement. So I could care less if you happen to disagree with me. In fact, I welcome your disagreement. I also think it is healthy. I don't have a problem with whatever you consider "your truth". The fact I think its bullshit is not to be construed as me wanting your freedom of speech to be regulated. I want you to say anything you deem you need to say. Bring it on.

Your comments on my belief of the poor being beyond reproach is pretty whacko. Again, go back and re-read any of my posts. None of them even make any reference to this subject because I've never had this point of view. I think everyone should be accountable for their actions. The door swings both ways in my world.

I do agree that it is not right to take advantage of social programs. No matter who you are or where your from. Its just not morally (or legally) right.

The last part of your post has nothing to do with me. But I do notice an abscence of conservative responsability towards the problems you stated. You need to look at all the reasons a problem exists. Not just the liberal ones. Your not without sin yourself. Nor are your fellow conservatives.

I accept I'm partly to blame. Can you do the same?

 

[philip_jp]

Stu Ghatze

I am a Liberal I would lilke to know where u get all your information on liberals because everthing you accuse of liberals true liberals who follow liberalism do not do. I think you mistake greedy politicians with true liberals. When its obvious ever major party has true followers of the doctrine and politicians who will do anything for power.

Liberals dont equate wealth with evil Its just alot wealthy people in america like to use their wealth for power and abusing others



Whats your political party ? I bet they are just as bad as the Liberals politicians you like to critize

 

[JOHNYJ]

The democratic party has deserted its historical base and become a liberal special interets party.In doing so it has lost milions of voters. It has become identified as the Party of the ACLU and the enemies of Traditional America .

 

[philip_jp]

Eenemies of traditional america ?

Part of the ACLU?

I think you exgerationg if your not show examples do back up those claims.

 

[JOHNYJ]

RE : philip_jp # 45
The Democratic party is controled by the Left ,it is the Liberal Party in the USA.
It supports giving privillages and benefits to non citizens .It supports dilluting American citizenship.It supports giving govt. benefits based on race . They gerrymander congressional districts to make sure people of a particular race are elected. When ever there is an attack on Traditional American values odds are its a liberal doing it. The Guy thats trying to ban
UNDER God from the pledge, you think he's a Republican !
The women who got Prayer banned from the schools .You thnk she voted for Goldwater ?

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by JOHNYJ
The democratic party has deserted its historical base and become a liberal special interets party.In doing so it has lost milions of voters. It has become identified as the Party of the ACLU and the enemies of Traditional America .

The American Civil Liberties Union is fighting for your rights. It is trying to keep government from straying too far from the Constitution. It is trying to preserve your rights under the Constitution. What is so wrong with that?

 

[JOHNYJ]

There are times,a few.When the ACLU does defend Freedom of religion.Regretfuly they are usualy against religion and christianity in particular. It has become a patern. They are ideologues and the actual affecct on people has become unimportant to them.

 

[philip_jp]

you say that the democratic party is special intrest controlled do you think that the republican party is not ?

 

[JOHNYJ]

RE : philip_jp # 49
The Republican party of today is controled by the rich and big business. Theodore Roosevelt and Herbert Hoover would have recognised it at once.Yet when it counts its able to convince most Americans that it feel more for their interests than the democrats. A sham of epic porportions,but. A successful one.

 

[scottyz]

RE : philip_jp # 45
The Democratic party is controled by the Left ,it is the Liberal Party in the USA.
It supports giving privillages and benefits to non citizens .It supports dilluting American citizenship.It supports giving govt. benefits based on race .

I would have sworn that it is Bush who wants to let illegal aliens from Mexico pour into this country legally to take U.S. jobs...

 

[philip_jp]

I wouldnt really call the democratic party liberal they seem more like socialist then they seem to follow liberalism doctrine. Im a Liberal and I dont consider myself part of the democratic party just becasue some Liberals choose to support the democratic party