Why Texas Bans the Sale of Tesla Cars

[Master PO]

And it show the current lengths Texas is going to in ALL matters to annihilate the 10th amendment.

first: it not just Texas, its south carolina too.

why do you say they are annihilating the 10th amendment.

the 10th amendment states all powers NOT delegated to the federal government (18 powers only) by the constitution ....shall REMAIN the power of the states and the people.

so i dont understand the connection your making......if anything they would want to bolster the 10th

 

[Linc]

first: it not just Texas, its south carolina too.

why do you say they are annihilating the 10th amendment.

South Carolina figures. Tariffs, what they used to be against. Everyday we have a new fight between the southern states and the fed.

if anything they would want to bolster the 10th

I agree. IMO they are trying to bolster the 10th, in all the wrong ways, and we keep fighting these same old fights.

 

[Master PO]

South Carolina figures. Tariffs, what they used to be against. Everyday we have a new fight between the southern states and the fed.

they were against tariffs (taxes) becuase they were being singled out in using them...example 1828 tariff act.

I agree. IMO they are trying to bolster the 10th, in all the wrong ways, and we keep fighting these same old fights.

can you explain in what wrong ways......since the 10th says everything not delegated to the federal government, shall remain the power of the states.........since the founders state... that federal powers are few and defined, while state power is vast.

 

[SgtRock]

Because Texas is a state where capitalism and competition is still the way of the land, government stays out of private business unlike them socialists in Washington.

Or something...

Amen and God bless Texas!

 

[Linc]

can you explain in what wrong ways......since the 10th says everything not delegated to the federal government, shall remain the power of the states.........since the founders state... that federal powers are few and defined, while state power is vast.

By creating laws to usurp federal laws that states argue the federal government should not have made, with a little help from the current SCOTUS.

How do think the latest federal lawsuits against Southern states will go with respect to voting.

 

[Master PO]

By creating laws to usurp federal laws that states argue the federal government should not have made, with a little help from the current SCOTUS.

How do think the latest federal lawsuits against Southern states will go with respect to voting.

since federal powers are few and defined...being 18 only....how does the federal government justify being involved in things, they are given no delegated power to?.....IE. education, housing, EPA, national parks, and many other things.

the founders stated that voting was not a right, but a privilege....... it is the courts who have stated its a right.

 

[Linc]

Since Lincoln started, T. Roosevelt accelerated, Eisenhower continued and extended while Nixon completed this liberal Domestic policy, I'm good with its foundation. Do we ignore the reality of Human technology? No! Can it be made better? Yes! Should we be doing that?

since federal powers are few and defined...being 18 only....how does the federal government justify being involved in things, they are given no delegated power to?.....IE. education, housing, EPA, national parks, and many other things.

the founders stated that voting was not a right, but a privilege....... it is the courts who have stated its a right.

 

[Master PO]

Since Lincoln started, T. Roosevelt accelerated, Eisenhower continued and extended while Nixon completed this liberal Domestic policy, I'm good with its foundation. Do we ignore the reality of Human technology? No! Can it be made better? Yes! Should we be doing that?

but that does not answer the questions....

the constitution lays out a coarse of action for its change.

any change to the constitution must be agreed on by the states, thru a constitutional amendment for the change, becuase they and the people will have to pay the cost in the end.

that is supreme law.

 

[Linc]

Why the constant angst towards the 16th? How would the USA have financed everything war related and all without it for the last 100 years. This is just the TEAparty and WHISKEY rebellion on steroids. What would IKE say?

but that does not answer the questions....

the constitution lays out a coarse of action for its change.

any change to the constitution must be agreed on by the states, thru a constitutional amendment for the change, becuase they and the people will have to pay the cost in the end.

that is supreme law.

 

[Linc]

any change to the constitution must be agreed on by the states, thru a constitutional amendment for the change, becuase they and the people will have to pay the cost in the end.

that is supreme law.

I believe what you're asking is to throw out all law made since the Constitution. But then, you also argue against certain amendments legally added to the Constitution.

 

[Grand Mal]

Amen and God bless Texas!

(snicker!)
God bless Baja Oklahoma!

 

[Master PO]

Why the constant angst towards the 16th? How would the USA have financed everything war related and all without it for the last 100 years. This is just the TEAparty and WHISKEY rebellion on steroids. What would IKE say?

then i shall explain, the founders did not create a constitution which gave the federal government any authority over the people.....expect for 3 classes, traitors, counterfeiters and pirates.

taxes were voluntary on the people.

with... the 16th this gave power over people's income........"the power to tax is the power to destroy"

with the other 3 classes, you had to commit a crime, for the government to have authority over you, with the 16th government was given authority over people who had committed no crime.

since the 16th , we has seen the expansion of the federal government into our life's, and the life's and counties of foreigners.

before the 16th the nation had to live within its means, since that evil day in 1913, the federal government moved farther outside the constitution, and violated it with its massive spending.

 

[Master PO]

I believe what you're asking is to throw out all law made since the Constitution. But then, you also argue against certain amendments legally added to the Constitution.

if you mean the 13 14 and 15 ...yes..becuase they were written for the slave population only........1873 slaughterhouse case.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

then i shall explain, the founders did not create a constitution which gave the federal government any authority over the people.....expect for 3 classes, traitors, counterfeiters and pirates.

taxes were voluntary on the people.

with... the 16th this gave power over people's income........"the power to tax is the power to destroy"

with the other 3 classes, you had to commit a crime, for the government to have authority over you, with the 16th government was given authority over people who had committed no crime.

since the 16th , we has seen the expansion of the federal government into our life's, and the life's and counties of foreigners.

before the 16th the nation have to live within its means, since that evil day in 1913, the federal government moved father outside the constitution, and violated it with its massive spending.

one could argue it is just becoming the vision of government another founding father championed: Alexander Hamilton

 

[Master PO]

one could argue it is just becoming the vision of government another founding father championed: Alexander Hamilton

care to show me were Hamilton indorsed the government growing outside the constitution.

 

[windowdressing]

It’s being hailed as a game changer. It’s the first electric car to win Motor Trend’s Car of the Year; an unprecedented 99 out of 100 rating from Consumer Reports; and now, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, it’s also the safest car ever.

But if the Model S really is the car of the future, then why has Texas banned its sales in the state and why are lawmakers in several other states trying to do the same?

Why Texas Bans the Sale of Tesla Cars


What is Texas and those other states afraid of? A little competition won't hurt.

Is that legal?

 

[windowdressing]

From what I read it's not about the cars, it's about Tesla's "direct-sale" strategy. Apparently these states have laws requiring a local franchisee to see automobiles. If the Tesla folks don't like the law, work to get it changed; don't just expect to walk through the door and have the rules bent for you.

I don't buy it. I think Texas is anti-free enterprise and is moving to communism.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

care to show me were Hamilton indorsed the government growing outside the constitution.

i seem to recall that Alexander Hamilton, acting as Secretary of the Treasury, endorsed a plan that involved the federal government accquring the debts that the states possessed as a result of the American revolution. does the fact that the federal government payed the states debt make the states bound to the federal government? i also read that Hamilton believed in a strong central government, a view which Jefferson did not share.

 

[Master PO]

i seem to recall that Alexander Hamilton, acting as Secretary of the Treasury, endorsed a plan that involved the federal government accquring the debts that the states possessed as a result of the American revolution. does the fact that the federal government payed the states debt make the states bound to the federal government? i also read that Hamilton believed in a strong central government, a view which Jefferson did not share.

debt consolation is in the constitution article 6

Article. VI.

"All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation"

the federal government issued bonds, for the debt of the u.s. and people through the voluntary process could buy them.

Madison and Hamilton argued on the same side, that becuase the federal government powers were so limited, that there was no way the rights of the people could be infringed by the federal government, and a bill of rights was not needed.

“This specification of particulars [the 18 enumerated powers of Article I, Section 8] evidently excludes all pretension to a general legislative authority, because an affirmative grant of special powers would be absurd as well as useless if a general authority was intended.” – Alexander Hamilton, Federalist 83

“No legislative act … contrary to the Constitution can be valid. To deny this would be to affirm that the deputy is greater than his principal; that the servant is above his master; that the representatives of the people are superior to the people themselves; that men acting by virtue of powers may do not only what their powers do not authorize, but what they forbid.” – Alexander Hamilton, Federalist 78

 

[Slyhunter]

Laws need to be changed. It's better for the consumer if manufacturers are not forced to used third parties to sell their products if they don't wish to use them.

 

[laska]

I watched a video interview of Elon Musk and he choked up and almost broke down crying when they started talking on this issue on how some states' politicians were bought off by the auto dealers. It's crony capitalism and bad for the consumer.

 

[274ina]

Come on all you TEXAS GOP'ers !!!

What happened to all the BS about "Free Markets" and a cheaper product would result!!!

We cant have those FAT CAT lazy Auto dealer bosses over charging a living wage for themselves now can we! (snicker)

You sold out everyone in Manufacturing!


Whats good for us is good for your anti free market monopoly of Auto dealers!!!! LMAO!!! BY BY suckers!

 

[the_recruit]

There won't be in my lifetime, nor likely several lifetimes, a big demand for electric cars, and certainly not ones with such a high initial output and no history of lifespan for the product.

You don't have any idea what you're talking about.

Shell CEO Predicts EVs Will Account for 40% of Market by 2050

Worldwide Electric Vehicle Sales to Reach 3.8 Million Annually by 2020 - Forbes

U.S. projected electric vehicle stocks, 2010

Nearly 22 Million Electric Vehicles Will Be Sold from 2012 to 2020, Forecasts Navigant Research | Business Wire

 

[Wiseone]

Amen and God bless Texas!

Except that's not the case at all....

That's the joke...

 

[the_recruit]

I watched a video interview of Elon Musk and he choked up and almost broke down crying when they started talking on this issue on how some states' politicians were bought off by the auto dealers. It's crony capitalism and bad for the consumer.

Really? My impression of Musk has been that he's completely emotionless, awkwardly so.