I'm actually impressed by these ardent defenses and offer up my congratulations before I destroy your theories.
TheLastIndependent;1062118154]I know the prison system is a cash cow and it kinda saddens me.
•••Cash is King.
They CAN stop the production of sausage, but they don't. And to take it a little further, if someone really wants sausage they will still make, sell, and eat it illegally.
•••I have a vision of a sausage dealer opening his trench coat and showing me a selection of illegal sausages.
There is no reasonable want to take heroin instead of a painkiller. Painkillers are much more effective and would be least expensive in the long run.
•••Spoken as if you never took heroin and never filled a scrip for Oxy at retail. Heroin is much less expensive and once legalized, would probably be even less expensive. The buzz is actually quite similar.
To answer the prescription question, not directly. There should be regulated sale of recreational drugs like tobacco and alcohol. However, like alcohol, there are some medicinal properties that drugs have. I could't tell you exactly what they are, but I know Sigmund Freud did extensive studies on cocaine and found several. Like alcohol, they can be used in different medicines and sold for recreation.
•••Your dentist uses Novocain which is, yup, a form of cocaine. Almost any drug has a medical benefit.
We change our policy? We are allowed to govern ourselves, or change our minds on ineffective and stupid laws. Just because we did something stupid does not mean we should follow it because it is hard to admit to being stupid. Certain of those policies would still be in effect like it would remain illegal to trade in drugs to a country where drugs remained illegal. Most of those policies were created for the purpose of weakening criminal cartels, which does very little good because they do not give a damn about international law. Still, the effect would be the same for legalizing as we would put the profits into the hands of legal commerce which would remove the funding for organizations which operate outside of the law.
•••While the US has a tendency to overlook treaties when convenient, they really aren't that easy to dismiss. Sure, we tortured prisoners which flies in the face of the Geneva Convention but you see how much flak we took for that? You're advocating that we defy the very treaties that we initiated. Sounds simple, but really it isn't.
As for the people who are incarcerated we could either decide to keep them because they did violate a law at the time which still shows a disrespect for societal rules. We could also release them and overturn their convictions if we chose to. We would still need prisons as there are other laws, and I would assume we would have a purpose to imprison people who act irresponsibly on drugs. We could save ourselves the tax money of keeping the prisons open. We can offset an immediate costs of alteration of our present system with the tax revenue from the sales of drugs.
•••So, which one are you advocating? Keep the prisoners or lt them go? Clear their records or leave them felons?
We could do the same thing we did with all the extra booby hatches when we went to outpatient programs instead. We could swap them out to section 8 housing and convert them. We could use them to help the poor and homeless get back on their feet or get off the street. We could demolish them and do something else with the land.
•••I don't think prisons are well set up for Section 8 housing. That will be a major remodel. But sure, we could tear them down.
Some would remain as we would still need to incarcerate criminals. Others would have to find new lines of work. We would have tax revenue for the change, and we would also have a brand new and well used legitimate industry to employ people. We would have a ton of new businesses opening in many towns. We would have distribution and manufactureing jobs opening. those areas would need administration. We would also have an increase in the need for a regulating force to ensure that sales laws are followed like we have now with alcohol and tobacco. We would also be able to address rehabilitation for people with addiction problems and have to employ people in those areas. where some jobs would fall away, other jobs would form. Plus, do you know how much money we piss away on prison administration and programs? Some of those people are useless overpaid morons anyway.
••What are all these new businesses opening up? The new drugstores? Of course, once we sort out how these drugs are sold, prescription or non, anything is possible. If prescription, then we already have Walgreens. If non-prescription, I assume head shops will add this to their line along with bongs and scales.
It is not approved as much as it is inspected for quality in many cases. This would be an area we would need more jobs in as QC would become an issue.
•••Good point.
Prescription pain killers that are covered by insurance or prescription plans would still be around. Yes, you could get them legally and pay out of pocket for them, but there would be a purpose for evaluating medical necessity and mitigating problems like addiction for people who take powerful pain killers for medicinal purposes.
•••Let me make sure I understand. If you get a prescription, you get insurance to pay part of the price. If you don't want to get a prescription, you pay retail price. Is thart correct?
Slo-mo? Is it cheating to name a drug from a futuristic fantasy movie?
•••Uh, I'm not sure where this came from. Did I mention a drug called slo-mo?
I know the prison system is a cash cow and it kinda saddens me.
They CAN stop the production of sausage, but they don't. And to take it a little further, if someone really wants sausage they will still make, sell, and eat it illegally.
There is no reasonable want to take heroin instead of a painkiller. Painkillers are much more effective and would be least expensive in the long run.
To answer the prescription question, not directly. There should be regulated sale of recreational drugs like tobacco and alcohol. However, like alcohol, there are some medicinal properties that drugs have. I could't tell you exactly what they are, but I know Sigmund Freud did extensive studies on cocaine and found several. Like alcohol, they can be used in different medicines and sold for recreation.
We change our policy? We are allowed to govern ourselves, or change our minds on ineffective and stupid laws. Just because we did something stupid does not mean we should follow it because it is hard to admit to being stupid. Certain of those policies would still be in effect like it would remain illegal to trade in drugs to a country where drugs remained illegal. Most of those policies were created for the purpose of weakening criminal cartels, which does very little good because they do not give a damn about international law. Still, the effect would be the same for legalizing as we would put the profits into the hands of legal commerce which would remove the funding for organizations which operate outside of the law.
As for the people who are incarcerated we could either decide to keep them because they did violate a law at the time which still shows a disrespect for societal rules. We could also release them and overturn their convictions if we chose to. We would still need prisons as there are other laws, and I would assume we would have a purpose to imprison people who act irresponsibly on drugs. We could save ourselves the tax money of keeping the prisons open. We can offset an immediate costs of alteration of our present system with the tax revenue from the sales of drugs.
We could do the same thing we did with all the extra booby hatches when we went to outpatient programs instead. We could swap them out to section 8 housing and convert them. We could use them to help the poor and homeless get back on their feet or get off the street. We could demolish them and do something else with the land.
Some would remain as we would still need to incarcerate criminals. Others would have to find new lines of work. We would have tax revenue for the change, and we would also have a brand new and well used legitimate industry to employ people. We would have a ton of new businesses opening in many towns. We would have distribution and manufactureing jobs opening. those areas would need administration. We would also have an increase in the need for a regulating force to ensure that sales laws are followed like we have now with alcohol and tobacco. We would also be able to address rehabilitation for people with addiction problems and have to employ people in those areas. where some jobs would fall away, other jobs would form. Plus, do you know how much money we piss away on prison administration and programs? Some of those people are useless overpaid morons anyway.
It is not approved as much as it is inspected for quality in many cases. This would be an area we would need more jobs in as QC would become an issue.
Prescription pain killers that are covered by insurance or prescription plans would still be around. Yes, you could get them legally and pay out of pocket for them, but there would be a purpose for evaluating medical necessity and mitigating problems like addiction for people who take powerful pain killers for medicinal purposes.
Slo-mo? Is it cheating to name a drug from a futuristic fantasy movie?