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Why Obama is Republican/conservative[W:78]

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1) Perpetual War, Perpetual Peace

In 2008, Senator Obama ran as a “just war” candidate – promising to end the war in Iraq and “the mind-set that got us into war in the first place.” While the president did bring home U.S. troops from Iraq, he replaced them with a small army of private contractors, a large CIA presence, tens of thousands of State Department employees, and the world’s largest U.S. embassy.

But more important is the psychological shift the president has created in American foreign policy. Under the Bush Doctrine, Americans were told that in order to keep us safe, the president must be able to engage in pre-emptive warfare; striking the enemy before they strike us. America didn’t need to wait for foreign aggression when 9/11 would serve as a blanket justification for a global “war on terror.” But our current president has taken the “war on terror” one step further with his advocacy of the “humanitarian war.”

When Obama took office, the U.S. was involved in two illegal, undeclared wars: Iraq and Afghanistan. Since then, the U.S. has increased its troop presence in Africa, waged a bombing campaign against Libya, is waging convert drone wars in Pakistan and Yemen, and has supported the toppling of some brutal Arab regimes while propping up others. And despite what Mitt Romney and his VP pick want you to think, Obama has actually increased the defense budget.

2) Welcome to America, Now Git!

Conservatives love to paint Obama as “weak” on immigration issues, labeling him pro-amnesty and pro-illegal immigration. But the truth is the Obama administration may turn out to be the toughest on immigrants in recent U.S. history. Since taking office in 2008, the administration has deported more than 1.4 million undocumented immigrants. On average, Obama has deported 32,886 per month while President George W. Bush deported an average of 20,964 per month and President Bill Clinton 9,059 per month. Conservatives are also decrying the president’s recent directive to temporarily defer deportation of some young immigrants – calling it an executive order granting amnesty to illegal immigrant youth. While Obama has come out in the past in support of the DREAM Act, his recent announcement is nothing more than an executive directive to DHS to exercise discretion to grant up to two years deferred action to qualified immigrant youth. The directive is without teeth, as Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) still holds the authority on deportation determination, not the President. Obama’s directive looks more like a politically expedient gesture than real immigration policy change.

3) Insurance for Insurance Providers

While liberals are hailing the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act as the greatest thing since the New Deal, conservatives are decrying it as an attempt at communist control of our lives. Perhaps both are wrong. In 2008, Obama ran as a proponent of single-payer health care. But instead of affordable public health insurance, what voters got was more private-control over their lives. Soon, Americans will be required to purchase health insurance from private companies – a move that the president says will lower the cost of health care overall. And while the PPACA dictates what and who insurance companies must cover while attempting to regulate costs, it falls pathetically short of providing affordable healthcare. What it does is move us away from a public option and toward more privatization. The real winners of Obamacare? Big Pharma, MDs, and the insurance industry.

4) Bang, You’re Dead!

Due process has been axed under the Obama administration; at least for some of the accused. Even ‘ole Bushy boy afforded his suspects some tissue paper-thin legal rights. He’d capture you, torture you, and then try you in one of his kangaroo courts. But President Obama doesn’t have time for such silly legalities. Instead, he has top-secret counter terrorism meetings every Tuesday where he reviews his “kill list” and nominates suspected terrorists to be off’d. The list often includes under-age persons and American citizens. In fact, the president has already killed three American citizens suspected of terrorism via drone strikes: 40-year-old Anwar al-Awlaki and his 16-year-old son, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, along with 25-year-old magazine editor, Samir Khan.

5) Corporate Love and Lovers

The Obama administration loves to position itself as the “David” fighting against the “Goliath” that is big-business – but nothing could be further from the truth. Since his time in office, Obama has supported continuing corporate welfare and done nothing to really regulate the financial industries or prosecute Wall Street. He has opened up huge expanses of ocean to drilling on the Atlantic coastline and the eastern Gulf of Mexico and opened up more drilling in the Arctic. The “hope and change” candidate has kowtowed to corporations in a way that would make Bush blush, appointing corporate-capitalists to positions of political power (as if former Central Banker Timothy Geithner were going to hold his banker buddies accountable). Perhaps the most appalling of all of Obama’s neoliberal moves is his recent secretive negotiations with international corporations to craft the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP). The TPP trashes America’s sovereignty by allowing foreign corporations to appeal key U.S. regulations to an international tribunal and to override U.S. law and to sue the United Sates if it does not comply. More and more, President Obama is revealing himself to be a president by and for the corporations.


Top 5 Reasons Obama is Not a True Liberal


I think its fair to say that the on going "dislike" for Obama is propaganda from the right to keep the conservative mass hungry for more garbage.As for the democrats, its nothing but shame as they continue to side with corporate interest conservatives fiscally. I mean, do people really believe in the liberal/conservative ideology ......
 
Re: Why Obama is Republican/conservative

1) Perpetual War, Perpetual Peace

In 2008, Senator Obama ran as a “just war” candidate – promising to end the war in Iraq and “the mind-set that got us into war in the first place.” While the president did bring home U.S. troops from Iraq, he replaced them with a small army of private contractors, a large CIA presence, tens of thousands of State Department employees, and the world’s largest U.S. embassy.

But more important is the psychological shift the president has created in American foreign policy. Under the Bush Doctrine, Americans were told that in order to keep us safe, the president must be able to engage in pre-emptive warfare; striking the enemy before they strike us. America didn’t need to wait for foreign aggression when 9/11 would serve as a blanket justification for a global “war on terror.” But our current president has taken the “war on terror” one step further with his advocacy of the “humanitarian war.”

When Obama took office, the U.S. was involved in two illegal, undeclared wars: Iraq and Afghanistan. Since then, the U.S. has increased its troop presence in Africa, waged a bombing campaign against Libya, is waging convert drone wars in Pakistan and Yemen, and has supported the toppling of some brutal Arab regimes while propping up others. And despite what Mitt Romney and his VP pick want you to think, Obama has actually increased the defense budget.

2) Welcome to America, Now Git!

Conservatives love to paint Obama as “weak” on immigration issues, labeling him pro-amnesty and pro-illegal immigration. But the truth is the Obama administration may turn out to be the toughest on immigrants in recent U.S. history. Since taking office in 2008, the administration has deported more than 1.4 million undocumented immigrants. On average, Obama has deported 32,886 per month while President George W. Bush deported an average of 20,964 per month and President Bill Clinton 9,059 per month. Conservatives are also decrying the president’s recent directive to temporarily defer deportation of some young immigrants – calling it an executive order granting amnesty to illegal immigrant youth. While Obama has come out in the past in support of the DREAM Act, his recent announcement is nothing more than an executive directive to DHS to exercise discretion to grant up to two years deferred action to qualified immigrant youth. The directive is without teeth, as Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) still holds the authority on deportation determination, not the President. Obama’s directive looks more like a politically expedient gesture than real immigration policy change.

3) Insurance for Insurance Providers

While liberals are hailing the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act as the greatest thing since the New Deal, conservatives are decrying it as an attempt at communist control of our lives. Perhaps both are wrong. In 2008, Obama ran as a proponent of single-payer health care. But instead of affordable public health insurance, what voters got was more private-control over their lives. Soon, Americans will be required to purchase health insurance from private companies – a move that the president says will lower the cost of health care overall. And while the PPACA dictates what and who insurance companies must cover while attempting to regulate costs, it falls pathetically short of providing affordable healthcare. What it does is move us away from a public option and toward more privatization. The real winners of Obamacare? Big Pharma, MDs, and the insurance industry.

4) Bang, You’re Dead!

Due process has been axed under the Obama administration; at least for some of the accused. Even ‘ole Bushy boy afforded his suspects some tissue paper-thin legal rights. He’d capture you, torture you, and then try you in one of his kangaroo courts. But President Obama doesn’t have time for such silly legalities. Instead, he has top-secret counter terrorism meetings every Tuesday where he reviews his “kill list” and nominates suspected terrorists to be off’d. The list often includes under-age persons and American citizens. In fact, the president has already killed three American citizens suspected of terrorism via drone strikes: 40-year-old Anwar al-Awlaki and his 16-year-old son, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, along with 25-year-old magazine editor, Samir Khan.

5) Corporate Love and Lovers

The Obama administration loves to position itself as the “David” fighting against the “Goliath” that is big-business – but nothing could be further from the truth. Since his time in office, Obama has supported continuing corporate welfare and done nothing to really regulate the financial industries or prosecute Wall Street. He has opened up huge expanses of ocean to drilling on the Atlantic coastline and the eastern Gulf of Mexico and opened up more drilling in the Arctic. The “hope and change” candidate has kowtowed to corporations in a way that would make Bush blush, appointing corporate-capitalists to positions of political power (as if former Central Banker Timothy Geithner were going to hold his banker buddies accountable). Perhaps the most appalling of all of Obama’s neoliberal moves is his recent secretive negotiations with international corporations to craft the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP). The TPP trashes America’s sovereignty by allowing foreign corporations to appeal key U.S. regulations to an international tribunal and to override U.S. law and to sue the United Sates if it does not comply. More and more, President Obama is revealing himself to be a president by and for the corporations.


Top 5 Reasons Obama is Not a True Liberal


I think its fair to say that the on going "dislike" for Obama is propaganda from the right to keep the conservative mass hungry for more garbage.As for the democrats, its nothing but shame as they continue to side with corporate interest conservatives fiscally. I mean, do people really believe in the liberal/conservative ideology ......

You quote Lenin

How many people did Lenin murder?
 
Re: Why Obama is Republican/conservative

You quote Lenin

How many people did Lenin murder?

The evidence is clear. Obama is conservative.....

(please stay on topic)
 
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Is this even remotely related to media bias?
 
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Is this even remotely related to media bias?

Yes, the media portrays him as a left wing liberal...however the facts shows he is conservative.
 
Re: Why Obama is Republican/conservative

That's just preposterous.
 
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From the outside looking in - The main difference between Republicans and Democrats is not seen by looking at the actions of whoever is the current President. It is from looking at what policies they run on. As a general rule both parties are beholden to the same corporate interests. Both parties move toward center right while governing although that is not where either campaigns from.

Because of this, both Democrats and Republicans have been wrong (and will continue to be wrong) when they feel that because of a Presidential election, the country has just ended and life will never be the same.
 
Re: Why Obama is Republican/conservative

From the outside looking in - The main difference between Republicans and Democrats is not seen by looking at the actions of whoever is the current President. It is from looking at what policies they run on. As a general rule both parties are beholden to the same corporate interests. Both parties move toward center right while governing although that is not where either campaigns from.

Because of this, both Democrats and Republicans have been wrong (and will continue to be wrong) when they feel that because of a Presidential election, the country has just ended and life will never be the same.


I 100% agree with you. The problem...people are moved not by fact. But emotion according to Crowd psychology. Though I am not sure how true the theory is..
 
Re: Why Obama is Republican/conservative

That's just preposterous.

I agree NB.
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I think reading Obama's own words from his own books and who his mentors were. Puts the reality into perspective.

 
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Did anyone pass? Why do you suppose Obama's coalition stayed home in 2010? LGBTs didn't get all they wanted. Neither did the Brothers and Sisters. You don't need suppression in mid-terms. I have a plan for Dems though. Good night from suburban Detroit.
Just a test:
 
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Did anyone pass? Why do you suppose Obama's coalition stayed home in 2010? LGBTs didn't get all they wanted. Neither did the Brothers and Sisters. You don't need suppression in mid-terms. I have a plan for Dems though. Good night from suburban Detroit.

It's still in process. The test has nothing to do with this thread.

But I digress.

I'll participate on this thread.

The OP seems not to know the difference between a conservative and a neoconservative.

The OP doesn't have a clue of what an American conservative is. Unlike liberals and progressives who are all in lockstep and are not allowed to have dissenting opinions, conservatives are rarely in lockstep. We all have our own opinions and no one tells us how to think or how to vote. American conservativism is about individualism not group control.
 
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I can't believe anyone is taking this guy seriously.
 
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I agree NB.
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I think reading Obama's own words from his own books and who his mentors were. Puts the reality into perspective.

Actions speak louder than words and in most of Obama's actions has been in support or corporations which conservatives have supported.
 
Re: Why Obama is Republican/conservative

It's still in process. The test has nothing to do with this thread.

But I digress.

I'll participate on this thread.

The OP seems not to know the difference between a conservative and a neoconservative.

The OP doesn't have a clue of what an American conservative is. Unlike liberals and progressives who are all in lockstep and are not allowed to have dissenting opinions, conservatives are rarely in lockstep. We all have our own opinions and no one tells us how to think or how to vote. American conservativism is about individualism not group control.

I love it, you claim the OP knows nothing of conservatives, yet you claim to know all about progressives and liberals. Classic fail on your part.
 
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Actions speak louder than words and in most of Obama's actions has been in support or corporations which conservatives have supported.

Yeah.....well changing those stances, are actions. But I think he learned. That the Office of the Presidency is a living entity for itself. That he cannot change up nor can any other. Which IMO present a problem for the people. As government will ensure that it goes forward. Even against the will of the people.

One cannot know who he is unless they are willing to look into what he is about.
 
Re: Why Obama is Republican/conservative

I agree NB.
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I think reading Obama's own words from his own books and who his mentors were. Puts the reality into perspective.



Are you kidding......He obvious thought that the socialist teachers were more interesting. My evidence is clear, if you have anything that goes against the data feel free to bring it up.
 
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Just a test:

No really....

if you are moved by emotion instead of facts, then I guess thats O.K.
 
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Are you kidding......He obvious thought that the socialist teachers were more interesting. My evidence is clear, if you have anything that goes against the data feel free to bring it up.

I think playing community activist in Chicago.....pretty well sums it up. Conservative only in the way he managed his money. Until he got some.

Moreover Frank Marshall Davis wasn't a Socialist.....he was a Communist.
 
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Yeah.....well changing those stances, are actions. But I think he learned. That the Office of the Presidency is a living entity for itself. That he cannot change up nor can any other. Which IMO present a problem for the people. As government will ensure that it goes forward. Even against the will of the people.

One cannot know who he is unless they are willing to look into what he is about.


Big government has nothing to do with it......you are swayed by emotion not by fact.
 
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Big government has nothing to do with it......you are swayed by emotion not by fact.

Have you read any of Obamas books or material? If not.....then you really don't have much to go on. Especially if you are looking at what has been in the Media since he gained the Presidency.
 
Re: Why Obama is Republican/conservative

It's still in process. The test has nothing to do with this thread.

But I digress.

I'll participate on this thread.

The OP seems not to know the difference between a conservative and a neoconservative.

The OP doesn't have a clue of what an American conservative is. Unlike liberals and progressives who are all in lockstep and are not allowed to have dissenting opinions, conservatives are rarely in lockstep. We all have our own opinions and no one tells us how to think or how to vote. American conservativism is about individualism not group control.

I see just the opposite happening, of course. Liberals are leaving Obama to continue the Amash coalition with Libertarians formed recently over NSA. KGB Putin is being given aid and comfort and cover by Repubs in Congress, who are hosting the Rooskie delegates next week.
 
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I love it, you claim the OP knows nothing of conservatives, yet you claim to know all about progressives and liberals. Classic fail on your part.

Know enough that many who hide behind the liberal and progressive labels are something else.
 
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