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Why not post your political lean?

absolute is absolute-fail

and your opinion as to EG is just that-fail again
 
How sad. Grasping for anything to hit me on. I must have really made you angry.

LOL this is coming from a guy who chased me around this board a few weeks ago and just started a thread about me on the Poll section

I think everyone sees who is chasing who

what causes your anger OC?
 
LOL this is coming from a guy who chased me around this board a few weeks ago and just started a thread about me on the Poll section

Wow. Talk about paranoia. You may want to check out my ratio of posts during that time. And basement doesn't count considering the pact at the time.
 
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TurtleDude and obvious Child - this is not the place to have your little pissing contest. Cease and desist or else.
 
I just changed my lean to undisclosed to prevent people from crapping themselves and devolving the argument into tit for tat left vs right bull**** that gets nobody anywhere when I post a response. People seem to assume its because of my lean and not because of my person.
 
I didn't choose a lean because I believe the way the political ideology of Islamism is affecting our perceptions is resulting in almost a paradigm shift in the meaning of the terms. If a person is an actual liberal, they would denounce Islamism strenuously because in every way possible it is the most benightedly illiberal political philosophy on the planet, yet far too many who describe themselves as "liberal" these days are little more than useful idiots voicing opinions little different from the Arab street, defending anything associated with Islam and harboring the same hatreds for western society and Jews as the Islamists.

I decided to leave my lean blank accordingly.

I've seen many liberals defending muslims in general, particularly the moderate form of islam. but I haven't seen anyone defending islamism. really, there's nothing to defend about that, it's kinda like defending fascism. I believe your views expressed in above post is a little extreme. I'm yet to see a liberal sharing such hatred as islamists (who advocate to eradicate jewish people) toward jews.

and, one should not define an ideology based on its followers. the fact that many who claim that they are liberals act against the principles of liberalism shouldn't make a true liberal call himself something else. liberalism has accepted definitions of its own and is not supposed to be defined by popular belief.
 
I vote Republican and seem to agree with what most conservatives believe. However, over the last couple of yrs I'm begining to wonder if I'm more libertarian than conserve?? Can anyone take a quick look and help me out?

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*I'm against granting unconditional amnesty for 20 million illegals.

*I'm for the rights of individuals [adults] to consume anything they choose [including drugs] as long as the consumption doesn't harm, influence,[or potentially] injure another. I hope and prefer my choice to consume anything considered unhealthy... doesn't influence others to do the same, especially kids and young adults.

*I'm against all laws which would jail an individual for buying or using drugs.

*I beleive in ALL free speech including [voluntary non required] teacher-lead prayer in classrooms and school sponsored events.

*I believe the government should be kept out of the matter of abortion, leaving the question to each person for their own consideration. No taxpayer-funded abortions

*I support all rights to private property and protection of my own property.

*I'm for equal civil rights for all individuals regardless of race, age, religion...etc

*I'm against "affirmative action" or any kind of govt intervention or assumption one group should have an advantage or better access to anything over another.

*I'm against govt subsidies to business, labor, or any special interest... govt should not have power to progrssively tax [individuals] or business for purpose of income redistribution.

*I'm against total dependence on govt to protect me from criminals. I have a right to carry and use a firearm for defense of my family and self.

*I don't believe govt should have power to redistribute wealth, or to control or manage trade.

*I believe the govt should "butt out" of our childrens educational process. Schools should be managed locally. Power should be returned to parents to direct the education of their children, without govt intervention. Parents should have control of all funds spent for their children's education.

*I don't believe in Social Security and it should be phased out. It's up to the individual and family to secure their own future.

*I beleive in ongoing and consistant govt reduction for aid to the poor. All charity/social assistance should eventually come from private groups like RedCross SalvArmy UnitedWay, corporations, churches/Synagogues/Mosques...etc, and individuals. Americans will become more compasionate and caring when they are free to choose where and how much they give. It's human nature for most people to accept responsibility for helping others... and they will do it more when not forced too.

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Am I right to post lean as "slightly conservative"?
 
I vote Republican and seem to agree with what most conservatives believe. However, over the last couple of yrs I'm begining to wonder if I'm more libertarian than conserve?? Can anyone take a quick look and help me out?

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*I'm against granting unconditional amnesty for 20 million illegals.

*I'm for the rights of individuals [adults] to consume anything they choose [including drugs] as long as the consumption doesn't harm, influence,[or potentially] injure another. I hope and prefer my choice to consume anything considered unhealthy... doesn't influence others to do the same, especially kids and young adults.

*I'm against all laws which would jail an individual for buying or using drugs.

*I beleive in ALL free speech including [voluntary non required] teacher-lead prayer in classrooms and school sponsored events.

*I believe the government should be kept out of the matter of abortion, leaving the question to each person for their own consideration. No taxpayer-funded abortions

*I support all rights to private property and protection of my own property.

*I'm for equal civil rights for all individuals regardless of race, age, religion...etc

*I'm against "affirmative action" or any kind of govt intervention or assumption one group should have an advantage or better access to anything over another.

*I'm against govt subsidies to business, labor, or any special interest... govt should not have power to progrssively tax [individuals] or business for purpose of income redistribution.

*I'm against total dependence on govt to protect me from criminals. I have a right to carry and use a firearm for defense of my family and self.

*I don't believe govt should have power to redistribute wealth, or to control or manage trade.

*I believe the govt should "butt out" of our childrens educational process. Schools should be managed locally. Power should be returned to parents to direct the education of their children, without govt intervention. Parents should have control of all funds spent for their children's education.

*I don't believe in Social Security and it should be phased out. It's up to the individual and family to secure their own future.

*I beleive in ongoing and consistant govt reduction for aid to the poor. All charity/social assistance should eventually come from private groups like RedCross SalvArmy UnitedWay, corporations, churches/Synagogues/Mosques...etc, and individuals. Americans will become more compasionate and caring when they are free to choose where and how much they give. It's human nature for most people to accept responsibility for helping others... and they will do it more when not forced too.

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Am I right to post lean as "slightly conservative"?

that is pretty much paleoconservatism.

Paleoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

unless you get more radical on your ideas of freedom and decentralization, you can't be described as a libertarian conservative. although there are no clear lines between such ideologies, since they are often related on many issues. that's why they call the latter "fusionism".
 
It usually only takes a few posts before people figure out your lean anyway. Why not just be up front and post it. You are not fooling anyone by remaining "undisclosed".
 
It usually only takes a few posts before people figure out your lean anyway. Why not just be up front and post it. You are not fooling anyone by remaining "undisclosed".

I have 183 posts. can you figure out my lean?
 
I have 183 posts. can you figure out my lean?

If I had actually interacted with you in any of those posts then yes, it would be easy. ANd if I cared to spend the time to go back and read all of your posts I could figure it out as well. But I really don't care and that was my point. It's not a big freaking deal, so why not just post it?
 
If I had actually interacted with you in any of those posts then yes, it would be easy. ANd if I cared to spend the time to go back and read all of your posts I could figure it out as well. But I really don't care and that was my point. It's not a big freaking deal, so why not just post it?

honestly, I don't think any of the leans there can be used for me. I would have chosen centerist, but that does have it's own definition. I'm radically conservative on some issues, radically liberal on some others and in many issues I may slightly lean to each side. for example, I'm all for low taxes and small government, I want less governmental involvement in free market regulations, I'm against abortion after 12 weeks of pregnancy, I strongly believe in the right to privacy (government should not be able to gain information on you without your knowledge unless it is absolutely necessary). I believe that health care is a human right and therefore should be free for everyone, I'm in favor of same-sex marriage, and I think that public schools need some regulations to be kept unbiased and fair toward any and all groups of the society.


and in fact, I must say that my position on each and every one of those issues is open to debate. I may even change my mind if I'm presented with a better solution, or if my opinion was based on a weak argument. my beliefs are not set in the stone. so choosing a side really doesn't mean anything to me.
 
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It usually only takes a few posts before people figure out your lean anyway. Why not just be up front and post it. You are not fooling anyone by remaining "undisclosed".

What makes you think I'm trying to fool anyone? Maybe I just want my posts judged by their content rather than a particular label? Quite frankly, I always think it's hilarious when some loud-mouthed newcomer to these forums stands up and declares that they've "discovered" my secret liberalism. Hell, I think you did that yourself.

Besides, liberal/conservative is not a sufficient scale to really describe my views. I'm very liberal on some issues, kinda liberal on some issues, and conservative on some issues. I've been called "right-wing" for my gun control stance, for instance. If there were an additional authoritarian/libertarian scale to put myself on, I might be more inclined to put a stance in. On abortion, I'm a fence-sitter. I haven't managed to really resolve that issue in my head, but I lean pro-life. Except I'm not at all religious. Am I a conservative now?

I'm more pragmatic on the role of government: I think that generally speaking "smaller government" is a good thing and that in most cases the free market will do things more efficiently than the government will, but I accept that there are certain services or industries that don't function properly as a purely free market. Some of these services are also essential or important to the greater good of society, so some form of government influence is helpful. See: Military, fire department, roads. I see that as a moderate stance, but then again you guys on the far right call me a socialist. It's all relative.

I have a solid "liberal" stance on global warming, but I think it's utterly absurd that people place a political label on a scientific topic. I didn't come to this opinion because liberals told me about the issue. I didn't come to this opinion because of Al Gore. (never even watched his movie or any of his speeches) I came to this opinion because I read actual research papers by actual scientists, instead of stuff that journalists write. Physics does not have a political bias. If enough scientific evidence came out to exonerate CO2 as a cause of significant climate change, I'd be thrilled. I'd even celebrate by buying a giant gas-guzzling SUV. (well, not really, I have no regular, practical use for such a vehicle right now)

I think the government has no business telling me what I can and cannot do in my personal life. Unless the government can make a compelling case as to why a particular action might cause harm to others, they have no right to tell me I can't do it. I don't care what the action is. If it doesn't hurt others in any way, who are they to tell me not to do it? Sounds conservative, right? When I apply that to homosexuals getting married, suddenly I'm a liberal. There's a beautiful young woman I love very much, and it looks likely we'll be getting married some day. Two dudes getting married doesn't change my feelings for her. It wont change the importance of that connection.

So you tell me. Am I very liberal? Liberal? Slightly Liberal? Moderate? I've got a small libertarian streak in me too. What about those "conservative" stances of mine?
 
What makes you think I'm trying to fool anyone? Maybe I just want my posts judged by their content rather than a particular label? Quite frankly, I always think it's hilarious when some loud-mouthed newcomer to these forums stands up and declares that they've "discovered" my secret liberalism. Hell, I think you did that yourself.

Besides, liberal/conservative is not a sufficient scale to really describe my views. I'm very liberal on some issues, kinda liberal on some issues, and conservative on some issues. I've been called "right-wing" for my gun control stance, for instance. If there were an additional authoritarian/libertarian scale to put myself on, I might be more inclined to put a stance in. On abortion, I'm a fence-sitter. I haven't managed to really resolve that issue in my head, but I lean pro-life. Except I'm not at all religious. Am I a conservative now?

I'm more pragmatic on the role of government: I think that generally speaking "smaller government" is a good thing and that in most cases the free market will do things more efficiently than the government will, but I accept that there are certain services or industries that don't function properly as a purely free market. Some of these services are also essential or important to the greater good of society, so some form of government influence is helpful. See: Military, fire department, roads. I see that as a moderate stance, but then again you guys on the far right call me a socialist. It's all relative.

I have a solid "liberal" stance on global warming, but I think it's utterly absurd that people place a political label on a scientific topic. I didn't come to this opinion because liberals told me about the issue. I didn't come to this opinion because of Al Gore. (never even watched his movie or any of his speeches) I came to this opinion because I read actual research papers by actual scientists, instead of stuff that journalists write. Physics does not have a political bias. If enough scientific evidence came out to exonerate CO2 as a cause of significant climate change, I'd be thrilled. I'd even celebrate by buying a giant gas-guzzling SUV. (well, not really, I have no regular, practical use for such a vehicle right now)

I think the government has no business telling me what I can and cannot do in my personal life. Unless the government can make a compelling case as to why a particular action might cause harm to others, they have no right to tell me I can't do it. I don't care what the action is. If it doesn't hurt others in any way, who are they to tell me not to do it? Sounds conservative, right? When I apply that to homosexuals getting married, suddenly I'm a liberal. There's a beautiful young woman I love very much, and it looks likely we'll be getting married some day. Two dudes getting married doesn't change my feelings for her. It wont change the importance of that connection.

So you tell me. Am I very liberal? Liberal? Slightly Liberal? Moderate? I've got a small libertarian streak in me too. What about those "conservative" stances of mine?

methinks he doth protest too much
 
methinks he doth protest too much

Methinks THEE is just pissed that the "secret" thee discovered wasn't at all a secret and thee embarrassed thyself by such a proclamation.
 
Methinks THEE is just pissed that the "secret" thee discovered wasn't at all a secret and thee embarrassed thyself by such a proclamation.

Don't hurt yourself patting yourself on the back. I never claimed to have discovered any big secret. That was a figment of your imagination.
 
Don't hurt yourself patting yourself on the back. I never claimed to have discovered any big secret. That was a figment of your imagination.

Maybe it was the other guy who joined this september with a military-lookin dude in the avatar.
 
Maybe it was the other guy who joined this september with a military-lookin dude in the avatar.

or maybe you were just talking out of your ass and I had the common courtesy to let it slide. but since you feel compelled to keep bringing it up, I now feel compelled to set the record straight. :lol:
 
honestly, I don't think any of the leans there can be used for me. I would have chosen centerist, but that does have it's own definition. I'm radically conservative on some issues, radically liberal on some others and in many issues I may slightly lean to each side. for example, I'm all for low taxes and small government, I want less governmental involvement in free market regulations, I'm against abortion after 12 weeks of pregnancy, I strongly believe in the right to privacy (government should not be able to gain information on you without your knowledge unless it is absolutely necessary). I believe that health care is a human right and therefore should be free for everyone, I'm in favor of same-sex marriage, and I think that public schools need some regulations to be kept unbiased and fair toward any and all groups of the society.

I tend to agree with you that Lean doesn't really matter. I claim to be Moderate, because I am pretty conservative on some issues and somewhat liberal on others.

And, it doesn't matter what you choose, those that debate with you, depending on the issue you are discussing at the time, will label you as they claim to see you. So, those that claim they can identify your lean by your posts, may be talking about one specific thread, which is not necessarily accurate on other issues.

I think most people are for low taxes. The main difference being that I don't mind if my taxes are raised for worthy causes. I also am for smaller government, but I do not want to do away with some of the programs already in place for the sake of a smaller government.

I don't consider myself a Liberal, but because I am Democrat, I get the label by those that are conservative. I feel more like a centrist, but since I believe in moderation for everything, Moderate seemed closer to the truth. I've also noticed that when I call a conservative a Republican they tend to get all snippy and claim they are Independent! So, apparently the labels don't mean a lot to either side.

So, I really don't care what they call me. I know what I am, what issues I support, and the labels don't mean crap.

and in fact, I must say that my position on each and every one of those issues is open to debate. I may even change my mind if I'm presented with a better solution, or if my opinion was based on a weak argument. my beliefs are not set in the stone. so choosing a side really doesn't mean anything to me.

That is a good place to be. There are times when one needs to recognize stubbornness for the sake of stubbornness. If presented with a better solution, one should definitely be willing to change.
 
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