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Why Marxist communists hate and fear religion

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It's a communist idea that, with "enough control" they can create "Heaven on Earth". Has anyone seen any evidence of that in any communist controlled country? Noooooo, because there isn't that much control in the whole world. Communists can't compete with religion so they vilify and condemn it. Why can't Obama, a constitutional professor, say the words endowed "by our Creator" when talking about "certain unalienable rights"? You could actually see the gears turning in his head when he came up to that phrase. In the battle in his mind, his communist thinking won out over his professed "Christianity". His "Christianity" is the Jermemiah Wright version of Social Justice which has little to do with justice and all to do with socialism.
 
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Oh I get it. God is a capitalist. Must be why he sells all his shares when a tsunami is about to hit.
 
But what about Leninist, Maoist, Stalinist and Trotskyist Communists, do they hate religion too, or is it just Marxists?
 
Hatuey said:
Oh I get it. God is a capitalist. Must be why he sells all his shares when a tsunami is about to hit.
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Yes, because capitalism and the stock market are like best buds.
 
VF500 said:
It's a communist idea that, with "enough control" they can create "Heaven on Earth". Has anyone seen any evidence of that in any communist controlled country? Noooooo, because there isn't that much control in the whole world. Communists can't compete with religion so they vilify and condemn it. Why can't Obama, a constitutional professor, say the words endowed "by our Creator" when talking about "certain unalienable rights"? You could actually see the gears turning in his head when he came up to that phrase. In the battle in his mind, his communist thinking won out over his professed "Christianity". His "Christianity" is the Jermemiah Wright version of Social Justice which has little to do with justice and all to do with socialism.
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I don't get what you are saying....

Religion and Communism compete with each other??... but neither can create Heaven on Earth with control.. Even religious leaders who were very in control and charismatic couldn't do it, and some even created hell on earth/death cults.

I also don't think Obama is a communist... Where is the proof? Is he trying to control the economy and set quotas? Is he trying to seize private property and tell workers how much to produce?
 
SheWolf said:
Is he trying to control the economy and set quotas? Is he trying to seize private property and tell workers how much to produce?
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Ummm...are you serious with this question?
 
VF500 said:
constitutional professor
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endowed "by our Creator" when talking about "certain unalienable rights"?
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You do know what document that's in, right? And how it is actually not law. It is, in fact, a letter. A poetic letter.

And since you seem confused about it, the "opiate of the masses" quotation, which is generally cited as the main claim by Marx against religion... Opiate, in this case, referring to "thing that makes people stupid." In a drug-induced state, where one cannot think or act rationally. Marx hated religion because it makes people numb and complacent.
 
spud_meister said:
But what about Leninist, Maoist, Stalinist and Trotskyist Communists, do they hate religion too, or is it just Marxists?
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I have never heard of just a Leninist who wasn't a Marxist-Leninist. Anyways, I think it is a bad way to put it as hate religion. Communists, in general feel that organized religion is just used as a hierarchal tool and is used for power. They also feel religion is a way to justify countless brutal and injust acts as well as to control the populace's views and play off their fear. I myself as an Anarcho-Communist have no problem with people who are religious, as long as they keep their believes to themselves. I do have a problem with organized religion however.
 
SheWolf said:
I don't get what you are saying....

Religion and Communism compete with each other??... but neither can create Heaven on Earth with control.. Even religious leaders who were very in control and charismatic couldn't do it, and some even created hell on earth/death cults.

I also don't think Obama is a communist... Where is the proof? Is he trying to control the economy and set quotas? Is he trying to seize private property and tell workers how much to produce?
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Of course he isn't a Communist, if only... He is just a Capitalist, like every other politician. The only bill that make him a "Communist" is the healthcare bill which isn't Socialist and is forced Capitalism. It is just propaganda to make Communists and Obama look bad. But you know how the very conservative types love their conspiracy theories.
 
WeAreReborn said:
I have never heard of just a Leninist who wasn't a Marxist-Leninist. Anyways, I think it is a bad way to put it as hate religion. Communists, in general feel that organized religion is just used as a hierarchal tool and is used for power. They also feel religion is a way to justify countless brutal and injust acts as well as to control the populace's views and play off their fear. I myself as an Anarcho-Communist have no problem with people who are religious, as long as they keep their believes to themselves. I do have a problem with organized religion however.
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I don't like organized religion either.. or maybe I don't like it when organized religion gets into politics, because they seem to get more political and forget their principles... I tend to think the anti christ could appear to them, and mislead them. IDK why... just being honest.. LOL
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
Deng Xiaoping, Hu Jintao, and Wen Jiabao are examples.
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I did alittle research and I suppose you are right. But it seems a lot of principles were taken from Marxism. In fact, it just seems like someone who is a fan of his policies. Seems kind of strange to me since the situations varoes by every country but I have heard stranger ideologies.
 
SheWolf said:
I don't like organized religion either.. or maybe I don't like it when organized religion gets into politics, because they seem to get more political and forget their principles... I tend to think the anti christ could appear to them, and mislead them. IDK why... just being honest.. LOL
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When you said anti-christ misleading them televangelist came to mind, specifically Ted Haggard..
 
WeAreReborn said:
I did alittle research and I suppose you are right. But it seems a lot of principles were taken from Marxism. In fact, it just seems like someone who is a fan of his policies. Seems kind of strange to me since the situations varoes by every country but I have heard stranger ideologies.
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It's been a long strange trip from Marx to today.

Lenin took Marxist Theory and added the concept of the Party as the Vanguard of the Proletariat. Mao expanded the definition of proletariat to include Chinese peasantry. Deng abandoned Marxism and kept Leninism. In doing so, China now offers the world a model of industrial capitalism without democracy.

The Chinese Communist Party is Leninist without being Marxist. There is still a faction in the Politburo who support Marxism and the Iron Rice Bowl, but they are defeated old men.
 
WeAreReborn said:
From that page it just seems like they want a Democratic, Secular state. Similar to what America is today.
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Is that what they say they want today? I forgot about their more recent incarnation. My apologies. I should have linked to something from earlier in their existence.
They have a sophisticated western presence especially on the web.


From 2007
Chapter 6 -- Terrorist Organizations

Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK)
a.k.a. MKO; Mujahedin-e Khalq; Muslim Iranian Students' Society; National Council of Resistance; National Council of Resistance (NCR); Organization of the People's Holy Warriors of Iran; The National Liberation Army of Iran (NLA); The People's Mujahedin Organization of Iran (PMOI); National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI); Sazeman-e Mujahedin-e Khalq-e Iran

Description
The MEK advocates the violent overthrow of the Iranian regime and was responsible for the assassination of several U.S. military personnel and civilians in the 1970's. MEK leadership and members across the world maintain the capacity and will to commit terrorist acts in Europe, the Middle East, the United State, Canada, and beyond.

The MEK emerged in the 1960s as one of the more violent political movements opposed to the Pahlavi dynasty and its close relationship with the United States. MEK ideology has gone through several iterations and blends elements of Marxism, Islam, and feminism. Following its participation in the 1979 Islamic Revolution, the group rapidly fell out of favor with the Iranian people. The new Iranian government under Supreme Leader Khomeini systematically arrested and targeted many MEK members, causing most MEK leadership to flee to Europe. In 1986, MEK leaders and operatives were evicted from France and provided a safe haven in Iraq by Saddam Hussein. The group has planned and executed terrorist operations against the Iranian regime for nearly three decades from its European and Iraqi bases of operations. Additionally, it has expanded its fundraising base, further developed its paramilitary skills, and aggressively worked to expand its European ranks. In addition to its terrorist credentials, the MEK has also displayed cult-like characteristics. Upon entry into the group, new members are indoctrinated in MEK ideology and revisionist Iranian history. Members are also required to undertake a vow of "eternal divorce" and participate in weekly "ideological cleansings." Additionally, children are reportedly separated from parents at a young age. MEK leader Maryam Rajavi has established a "cult of personality." She claims to emulate the Prophet Muhammad and is viewed by members as the "Iranian President in exile."​

They are currently under our protection in Iraq, iirc. Richard Perle raised money for them while he was GWB defense policy advisor.
 
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WeAreReborn said:
Of course he isn't a Communist, if only... He is just a Capitalist, like every other politician. The only bill that make him a "Communist" is the healthcare bill which isn't Socialist and is forced Capitalism. It is just propaganda to make Communists and Obama look bad. But you know how the very conservative types love their conspiracy theories.
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Oh my, an Anarcho-Communist calling the health care bill "forced Capitalism" is humorous.
 
VF500 said:
Why can't Obama, a constitutional professor, say the words endowed "by our Creator" when talking about "certain unalienable rights"?
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Are you saying those two phrases are in our Constitution?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
From 2007
Chapter 6 -- Terrorist Organizations

Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK)
a.k.a. MKO; Mujahedin-e Khalq; Muslim Iranian Students' Society; National Council of Resistance; National Council of Resistance (NCR); Organization of the People's Holy Warriors of Iran; The National Liberation Army of Iran (NLA); The People's Mujahedin Organization of Iran (PMOI); National Council of Resist......​
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What about Peoples Front of Judea?​
 
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