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Why Liberals Kill

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By Selwyn Duke
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"Liberal institutions straightaway cease from being liberal the moment they are soundly established: once this is attained no more grievous and more thorough enemies of freedom exist than liberal institutions." This quotation's author, Friedrich Nietzsche, was no traditionalist himself; in fact, he was a harsh critic of Christianity who coined the phrase "God is dead." Yet he knew that your republic would be dead the day liberals assumed enough power within it.

This understanding is necessary to properly evaluate the current Obama administration scandals involving NSA surveillance and IRS abuses. Critics' main focus has been debating what power the government should have, and this is a legitimate and important discussion. But even more significant is who wields that power. After all, you can exhaustively regulate the police, but it will be largely for naught if those with the great power of a gun and badge are fundamentally corrupt.

The recently departed Buzzfeed columnist Michael Hastings touched on liberals' will to tyranny in a piece titled "Why Democrats Love to Spy on Americans." Addressing the surveillance scandal he wrote:

The very topic of Democratic two-facedness on civil liberties is one of the most important issues that [Guardian columnist Glenn] Greenwald has covered. Many of those Dems - including the sitting President Barack Obama, Senator Carl Levin, and Sec. State John Kerry - have now become the stewards and enhancers of programs that appear to dwarf any of the spying scandals that broke during the Bush years, the very same scandals they used as wedge issues to win elections in the Congressional elections [sic] 2006 and the presidential primary of 2007-2008.​

Precisely. When G.W. Bush played fly-on-the-wall, he was a lawless fascist. But when liberal Democrats play 1984×Brave New World, well, as Senator Harry Reid said earlier this month, "Everyone should just calm down."

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The hits keep coming, Russia, China, Cuba, Vietnam, Pol Pot, and we're still counting. Just look at what Obama has done in Afghanistan with his 'Surge', certainly he believed he could out Surge Bush's Surge, however, all Americans can surely see the losses that Obama has incurred on our soldiers and the complete failure of Obama's 'Surge'. Remember when Obama and Reid claimed that "Gen Petraeus betrayed us" and claim the Iraq war was lost? Hmm..., Obama has lost the afghan war indeed. Just how many scandals must also come to light for Americans realize this Progressive Marxist administration will kill us all.
 

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I'm pretty sure that both Americans parties would have qualified as "liberal" in Nietzsche's eyes, as he was an intellectual chief witness of Germany's authoritarian-monarchist conservatives -- and for these German conservatives, the republican system of government to the taste of the American founding fathers was "far left" and communism's little brother in terms of decadence, destruction of tradition and "Jewish egalitarianism".
 

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I'm pretty sure that both Americans parties would have qualified as "liberal" in Nietzsche's eyes, as he was an intellectual chief witness of Germany's authoritarian-monarchist conservatives -- and for these German conservatives, the republican system of government to the taste of the American founding fathers was "far left" and communism's little brother in terms of decadence, destruction of tradition and "Jewish egalitarianism".
Are you claiming that Selwyn Duke is and acolyte of Nietzsche and should not be writing on this subject, while the Republic falls into the hands of a tyrant?
 

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By Selwyn Duke
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"Liberal institutions straightaway cease from being liberal the moment they are soundly established: once this is attained no more grievous and more thorough enemies of freedom exist than liberal institutions." This quotation's author, Friedrich Nietzsche, was no traditionalist himself; in fact, he was a harsh critic of Christianity who coined the phrase "God is dead." Yet he knew that your republic would be dead the day liberals assumed enough power within it.*

This understanding is necessary to properly evaluate the current Obama administration scandals involving NSA surveillance and IRS abuses. Critics' main focus has been debating what power the government should have, and this is a legitimate and important discussion. But even more significant is who wields that power. After all, you can exhaustively regulate the police, but it will be largely for naught if those with the great power of a gun and badge are fundamentally corrupt.

The recently departed Buzzfeed columnist Michael Hastings touched on liberals' will to tyranny in a piece titled "Why Democrats Love to Spy on Americans." Addressing the surveillance scandal he wrote:

The very topic of Democratic two-facedness on civil liberties is one of the most important issues that [Guardian columnist Glenn] Greenwald has covered. Many of those Dems - including the sitting President Barack Obama, Senator Carl Levin, and Sec. State John Kerry - have now become the stewards and enhancers of programs that appear to dwarf any of the spying scandals that broke during the Bush years, the very same scandals they used as wedge issues to win elections in the Congressional elections [sic] 2006 and the presidential primary of 2007-2008.​

Precisely. When G.W. Bush played fly-on-the-wall, he was a lawless fascist. But when liberal Democrats play 1984×Brave New World, well, as Senator Harry Reid said earlier this month, "Everyone should just calm down."

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Articles: Why Liberals Kill*


The hits keep coming, Russia, China, Cuba, Vietnam, Pol Pot, and we're still counting. Just look at what Obama has done in Afghanistan with his 'Surge', certainly he believed he could out Surge Bush's Surge, however, all Americans can surely see the losses that Obama has incurred on our soldiers and the complete failure of Obama's 'Surge'. Remember when Obama and Reid claimed that "Gen Petraeus betrayed us" *and claim the Iraq war was lost? Hmm..., Obama has lost the afghan war indeed. Just how many scandals must also come to light for Americans realize this Progressive Marxist administration will kill us all.
Obama is a controlled black conservative, nothing more nothing less. So stop the bull****.

What really scares me is what you sick fascist freemason (skull & bones) ****s have planned next?

Wasn't the 2008 financial crisis *enough?

What disgusting corrupt greedy scheme is next?*

I hope kids have a future, you sadistic ****s wish they have hell, really how far further do we have to go? You sick greedy satanic ****s.
 

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By Selwyn Duke
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"Liberal institutions straightaway cease from being liberal the moment they are soundly established: once this is attained no more grievous and more thorough enemies of freedom exist than liberal institutions." This quotation's author, Friedrich Nietzsche, was no traditionalist himself; in fact, he was a harsh critic of Christianity who coined the phrase "God is dead." Yet he knew that your republic would be dead the day liberals assumed enough power within it.

This understanding is necessary to properly evaluate the current Obama administration scandals involving NSA surveillance and IRS abuses. Critics' main focus has been debating what power the government should have, and this is a legitimate and important discussion. But even more significant is who wields that power. After all, you can exhaustively regulate the police, but it will be largely for naught if those with the great power of a gun and badge are fundamentally corrupt.

The recently departed Buzzfeed columnist Michael Hastings touched on liberals' will to tyranny in a piece titled "Why Democrats Love to Spy on Americans." Addressing the surveillance scandal he wrote:

The very topic of Democratic two-facedness on civil liberties is one of the most important issues that [Guardian columnist Glenn] Greenwald has covered. Many of those Dems - including the sitting President Barack Obama, Senator Carl Levin, and Sec. State John Kerry - have now become the stewards and enhancers of programs that appear to dwarf any of the spying scandals that broke during the Bush years, the very same scandals they used as wedge issues to win elections in the Congressional elections [sic] 2006 and the presidential primary of 2007-2008.​

Precisely. When G.W. Bush played fly-on-the-wall, he was a lawless fascist. But when liberal Democrats play 1984×Brave New World, well, as Senator Harry Reid said earlier this month, "Everyone should just calm down."

[Excerpt]

Read more:
Articles: Why Liberals Kill


The hits keep coming, Russia, China, Cuba, Vietnam, Pol Pot, and we're still counting. Just look at what Obama has done in Afghanistan with his 'Surge', certainly he believed he could out Surge Bush's Surge, however, all Americans can surely see the losses that Obama has incurred on our soldiers and the complete failure of Obama's 'Surge'. Remember when Obama and Reid claimed that "Gen Petraeus betrayed us" and claim the Iraq war was lost? Hmm..., Obama has lost the afghan war indeed. Just how many scandals must also come to light for Americans realize this Progressive Marxist administration will kill us all.



I went to the link.

Selwyn Duke, like you, has nothing to say and he says it poorly.

A total time-waster.
 

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Are you claiming that Selwyn Duke is and acolyte of Nietzsche and should not be writing on this subject, while the Republic falls into the hands of a tyrant?
No, I'm saying that when Nietzsche said "liberal", he meant something totally different than today's Democrats in America.

In times of the German Kaiserreich in the late 19th century, the republican system in general and all its philosophical foundations were considered "liberal". On opposition to that stood German conservatism, that was pre-modern, anti-enlightenment and anti-republican. Even the institution of a constitution, separation of branches and government "of the people, by the people and for the people" was considered "liberal". And that's how Nietzsche used that term. "Conservative" for him, like for Germans in general at that time, meant power of (monarchist) elites that control the masses in an authoritarian fashion, not legitimated by "the people", but by God (though Nietzsche would probably disagree), by virtue of tradition or heritage.

I have the impression that this comment is yet another attempt at partisan hackery that infects today's America. IMO, I don't think that Republicans respect constitutional values or "small government" anymore than Democrats do.
 
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Are you claiming that Selwyn Duke is and acolyte of Nietzsche and should not be writing on this subject, while the Republic falls into the hands of a tyrant?
Oh, and if this "tyrant" is supposed to be Obama ... get back to me when you've read a few things about life in real tyrannies, such as Nazi Germany or the communist GDR. Suffice to say that you'd no longer be here on an open forum to post articles like that, either because the government would have already thrown you into prison or at least made your employer fire you and cut off your internet, or because you'd be too afraid to post things like that in the first place (hey, your brother or your son could read it and report you).
 

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Because they got in the way.
 

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The hits keep coming, Russia, China, Cuba, Vietnam, Pol Pot, and we're still counting. Just look at what Obama has done in Afghanistan with his 'Surge', certainly he believed he could out Surge Bush's Surge, however, all Americans can surely see the losses that Obama has incurred on our soldiers and the complete failure of Obama's 'Surge'. Remember when Obama and Reid claimed that "Gen Petraeus betrayed us" and claim the Iraq war was lost? Hmm..., Obama has lost the afghan war indeed. Just how many scandals must also come to light for Americans realize this Progressive Marxist administration will kill us all.[/QUOTE]

lol
 

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No, I'm saying that when Nietzsche said "liberal", he meant something totally different than today's Democrats in America.

In times of the German Kaiserreich in the late 19th century, the republican system in general and all its philosophical foundations were considered "liberal". On opposition to that stood German conservatism, that was pre-modern, anti-enlightenment and anti-republican. Even the institution of a constitution, separation of branches and government "of the people, by the people and for the people" was considered "liberal". And that's how Nietzsche used that term. "Conservative" for him, like for Germans in general at that time, meant power of (monarchist) elites that control the masses in an authoritarian fashion, not legitimated by "the people", but by God (though Nietzsche would probably disagree), by virtue of tradition or heritage.

I have the impression that this comment is yet another attempt at partisan hackery that infects today's America. IMO, I don't think that Republicans respect constitutional values or "small government" anymore than Democrats do.
Heya German Guy. :2wave: I would disagree with that despite our Pols selling us out at any chance they can get. Still the Repubs would have more concern to respect the Constitution than what Democrats would. IMO It's the Left that would sell out the Sovereignty of the Country without hesitation, most having no heart.

Although I would say that you are correct on the issue of Nietsche only looking at Conservative Principles through the Monarchist and not thru a Republic.
 

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By Selwyn Duke
June 21, 2013


"Liberal institutions straightaway cease from being liberal the moment they are soundly established: once this is attained no more grievous and more thorough enemies of freedom exist than liberal institutions." This quotation's author, Friedrich Nietzsche, was no traditionalist himself; in fact, he was a harsh critic of Christianity who coined the phrase "God is dead." Yet he knew that your republic would be dead the day liberals assumed enough power within it.

This understanding is necessary to properly evaluate the current Obama administration scandals involving NSA surveillance and IRS abuses. Critics' main focus has been debating what power the government should have, and this is a legitimate and important discussion. But even more significant is who wields that power. After all, you can exhaustively regulate the police, but it will be largely for naught if those with the great power of a gun and badge are fundamentally corrupt.

The recently departed Buzzfeed columnist Michael Hastings touched on liberals' will to tyranny in a piece titled "Why Democrats Love to Spy on Americans." Addressing the surveillance scandal he wrote:

The very topic of Democratic two-facedness on civil liberties is one of the most important issues that [Guardian columnist Glenn] Greenwald has covered. Many of those Dems - including the sitting President Barack Obama, Senator Carl Levin, and Sec. State John Kerry - have now become the stewards and enhancers of programs that appear to dwarf any of the spying scandals that broke during the Bush years, the very same scandals they used as wedge issues to win elections in the Congressional elections [sic] 2006 and the presidential primary of 2007-2008.​

Precisely. When G.W. Bush played fly-on-the-wall, he was a lawless fascist. But when liberal Democrats play 1984×Brave New World, well, as Senator Harry Reid said earlier this month, "Everyone should just calm down."

[Excerpt]

Read more:
Articles: Why Liberals Kill


The hits keep coming, Russia, China, Cuba, Vietnam, Pol Pot, and we're still counting. Just look at what Obama has done in Afghanistan with his 'Surge', certainly he believed he could out Surge Bush's Surge, however, all Americans can surely see the losses that Obama has incurred on our soldiers and the complete failure of Obama's 'Surge'. Remember when Obama and Reid claimed that "Gen Petraeus betrayed us" and claim the Iraq war was lost? Hmm..., Obama has lost the afghan war indeed. Just how many scandals must also come to light for Americans realize this Progressive Marxist administration will kill us all.
At first I thought ya had to be joking.....that it was some sort of comical levity. Why liberals kill. Course there is all that incompetency and the problems with ethics and of course their History.....that they just cannot run away from. Ever!

Other than that.....truly it is quite comical. :roll:
 

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Oh, and if this "tyrant" is supposed to be Obama ... get back to me when you've read a few things about life in real tyrannies, such as Nazi Germany or the communist GDR. Suffice to say that you'd no longer be here on an open forum to post articles like that, either because the government would have already thrown you into prison or at least made your employer fire you and cut off your internet, or because you'd be too afraid to post things like that in the first place (hey, your brother or your son could read it and report you).
Actually Obama is doing quite well at killing us softly...

Soft despotism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm not saying he started it, but he is perpetuating it, sinking the hooks in deeper if you will...
 

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At first I thought ya had to be joking.....that it was some sort of comical levity. Why liberals kill. Course there is all that incompetency and the problems with ethics and of course their History.....that they just cannot run away from. Ever!

Other than that.....truly it is quite comical. :roll:
Did someone say "Incompetency" ?

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Obama is a controlled black conservative, nothing more nothing less. So stop the bull****.

What really scares me is what you sick fascist freemason (skull & bones) ****s have planned next?

Wasn't the 2008 financial crisis *enough?

What disgusting corrupt greedy scheme is next?*

I hope kids have a future, you sadistic ****s wish they have hell, really how far further do we have to go? You sick greedy satanic ****s.
The 2008 financial crisis was a product of government run, top down, intrusion into the market. That's exactly what we're trying to prevent.
 

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Oh, and if this "tyrant" is supposed to be Obama ... get back to me when you've read a few things about life in real tyrannies, such as Nazi Germany or the communist GDR. Suffice to say that you'd no longer be here on an open forum to post articles like that, either because the government would have already thrown you into prison or at least made your employer fire you and cut off your internet, or because you'd be too afraid to post things like that in the first place (hey, your brother or your son could read it and report you).


Freedom of speech is a principal pillar of a free government; when this support is taken away, the constitution of a free society is dissolved, and tyranny is erected on its ruins. -- Benjamin Franklin​

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin​

Isn't the goal not to allow the country to fall under a tyrant(s) and keep America from horrors of a totalitarian state? Then we look at what the IRS has accomplished under the auspices and direction of the Obama administration. Isn't that a step toward what you describe? Under Obama can re-education camps be the next step in controlling Americans?
 

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Obama called "war criminal" & "hypocrite of the century" in Irish Parliament

 

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Oh, and if this "tyrant" is supposed to be Obama ... get back to me when you've read a few things about life in real tyrannies, such as Nazi Germany or the communist GDR. Suffice to say that you'd no longer be here on an open forum to post articles like that, either because the government would have already thrown you into prison or at least made your employer fire you and cut off your internet, or because you'd be too afraid to post things like that in the first place (hey, your brother or your son could read it and report you).
And you know, you are completely right. Obama is not a true tyrant by any stretch. The problem is, you are judging this based on a black and white scale. You either are a tyrant, and you are having political opponents shot, and you have secret police ransacking homes of forum posters, or you are not, and thus are not a tyrant.

The problem is, the rest of us see the shades of grey. Very rarely does tyranny suddenly pop into existence and dominate the nation. More often there is a slow and steady march towards destruction. That's what happened to the Roman Republic. It wasn't POP there's caesar, and everyone is oppressed. It was a slow multiple decades long march towards ultimately totalitarianism.

If you want to boil a frog, you don't boil water and throw the frog in, he'll jump out. Instead you put in him luke warm water, and gradually heat it up. The frog will just sit there until he dies.

This is what typically happens. A slow and steady march towards destruction. This was made famous by the Martin Niemöller poem, about the Nazis.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
Perhaps the new version should be:

First the IRS came for the Teapartiers, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Teapartier.

Then they came for the Libertarians, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Libertarian.

Then they came for the Republicans, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Republican.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
Again, we see the shades of grey. We see our political system, as a path toward an ultimately destination. Which way is it going?

Is the Obama administration heading more towards freedom, and liberty, and protecting the rights of the people? Or is it heading more toward government control, mandates and regulations, and denying rights to the people?

For us... the answer is the latter, not the former.
 

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Yes, Barack Obama is a tyrant, just like the Founders warned us against.

By: Bob
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Barack Obama. President. Tyrant.


ty·rant : /ˈtīrənt/
Noun
1.A cruel and oppressive ruler.
2.A person exercising power or control in a cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary way.

Synonyms
despot – oppressor

You can beat around the bush, guffaw if you would like, but that is an accurate description of the 44th President of the United States, and how he has chosen to define his presidency by his deeds.

Adam Freedman’s President Obama’s deep contempt for the rule of law details just some of the President’s unreasonable and arbitrary exercise of power:


The president’s attempted end-run around the Constitution should come as no surprise to those of us who have watched the decline of the rule of law these last four years. The president’s first term began, let us recall, with an auto “bailout” that robbed Chrysler bondholders to pay off the United Auto Workers.

When the Supreme Court recognized the free speech rights of corporations in Citizens United v. FEC, Obama first resorted to public humiliation of the justices on national TV. He later prepared an executive order that sought to coerce corporations from making political contributions under pain of forfeiting government contracts. It was only when news of the pending order leaked out that the administration quietly dropped the whole thing.

Under the Constitution, the president’s primary duty in domestic affairs is to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” There’s no mystery about this imperative: it does no good for the People’s representatives to enact laws if the executive branch fails to implement the laws. And yet, the president has taken a pick-and-choose approach to this vital duty.

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I think this totally describes Mr. Obama and what he's done to America and Americans. Since this was posted on the internet we have found out more about Benghazi, the State Dept., IRS, and certainly more corrupt actions of this administration.
 

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I would actually enjoy a discussion on what Nietzsche meant in that quotation, as his definition of "liberal" probably differs heavily from any modern connotation.

I applaud German Guy for trying, but this thread is a waste due to the individual who started it.
 
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