Why kill a baby instead of a woman?

[BirdinHand]

I reported information I read in at least three reliable news articles on the five MFM thing (not MTM). See above that another poster checked the site you linked to and found on more careful reading that only four of the entries could possibly have been MFM specialists. It's entirely possible, then, that these four and one other are the MFM specialists remaining, but it's more likely that only some of these people do MFM as a specialized area while the others are included because they can work on aspects of MFM team efforts, e.g., maybe there are two here.

So I don't think my original statement is false, nor do I necessarily distrust the news sources I used.

All of the MFMs posted ALSO practice in states adjacent to Idaho. They may be affiliated with these hospital networks (some are affiliated with both networks if you look at their background) but none of them are full time MFMs solely in the state of Idaho.


Because draconian laws in Idaho suck.

 

[collected]

This is the LARGEST hospital system in all of Idaho. It’s also the hospital system that flies women OUT OF IDAHO for treatments in other states.

Citation or evidence to back your claim that it's THE hospital system that flies women out of Idaho for treatments. Right now, I'm treating the claim as a false statement.

Every single one of their MFMs holds an affiliation with a hospital system in Oregon and an active Oregon medical license.

I checked the Oregon Medical Board license lookup on each of the MD on those two websites. Only two out of the eight MDs hold a valid Oregon license so your statement is factually false. In addition, the Interstate Medical Licensure Compact makes it easy for doctors to register in participating states such as Oregon. 23% of all physicians hold two or more active licenses in multiple states. The fact that an MD has active license in another state by itself doesn't mean much. Of the two who hold an Oregon MD license, one doesn't have an address in Oregon while the other is at a facility about a two hour drive from Boise, ID.

That means ZERO of them practice full time in Idaho and count towards that 5 full time MFMs as stated in numerous articles I’ve linked.

Proven factually wrong by the post above. Here is the official Oregon Medical Board license search. You can verify it yourself.

You probably should read the articles and then check on the doctors and where all they practice

I checked the official hospital websites and state licensing boards. They are going to be more accurate than "facts" from a special interest group being cited in a news article.

This is NOT strictly an Idaho hospital system. They have facilities in Oregon within the same system. The MFMs practicing also practice in Oregon. They transfer patients back and forth between facilities. Neither of these MFMs practice full time in the state of Idaho so they wouldn’t count towards that five number.

Addressed by my response above when I manually checked the Oregon Medical Board license lookup on each MD.

Oh…and what’s ugly is that every MFM listed on those websites?

Can also be found named on “abortionist” lists by “pro-life” groups in Idaho.

So…yeah

I'm not part of pro-life groups in Idaho, don't care. Only relevant if I was part of such groups.

 

[BirdinHand]

Addressed by my response above when I manually checked the Oregon Medical Board license lookup on each MD

I already did my homework. I’m sorry you aren’t as good at finding information on the Internet as I am

 

[collected]

I already did my homework. I’m sorry you aren’t as good at finding information on the Internet as I am

So then the state licensing boards have faulty information? Is that what you're telling me?

You did not do your homework. I invite ANYONE to check themselves:

• Here is the Oregon medical license search website.
• Here is the first facility where you can check the names of MDs listed on Oregon's license search.
• Here is the second facility where you can check the names of MDs listed on Oregon's license search (located at the bottom).

I invite anyone to perform a full audit of all facts I presented by checking the names of MDs listed against the state of Oregon's medical license search website.

I'd also like to re-iterate that 23% of ALL physicians hold two or more active licenses in multiple states.

 

[JoeyJoystick]

Inspired by another thread, I wanted to get a clarification from those with pro-life position on this forum who believe there should be exception for saving mother's life.

If you truly believe abortion is killing an innocent baby, why should there be exception for when woman's life is in danger?

In your worldview, when a doctor faces a terrible choice of killing a mother or a baby, why is s/he supposed to kill the baby?

Hi Slavister,

The choice a doctor makes is killing a woman vs. terminating a woman's pregnancy of an foetus.
To support my point. This is what killing babies looks like.

The Indian midwives who turned the tide on infanticide

In rural India, a group of midwives routinely murdered newborn girls - and then began to resist.

www.bbc.com

When you use words you should be using them in context. Check the dictionary. There is a reason why people spend a lot of time compiling such books. So when you are in doubt you can check.

A baby is a baby.
A foetus is a foetus.

By using the word baby instead of foetus you think it supports your claim. Instead it makes you look pretty damn dumb.

Joey

 

[JoeyJoystick]

All else isn’t known to be equal.

Hi Napoleon,

Except when it is a clone.


Joey

 

[Slavister]

Hi Slavister,

The choice a doctor makes is killing a woman vs. terminating a woman's pregnancy of an foetus.
To support my point. This is what killing babies looks like.

The Indian midwives who turned the tide on infanticide

In rural India, a group of midwives routinely murdered newborn girls - and then began to resist.

www.bbc.com

When you use words you should be using them in context. Check the dictionary. There is a reason why people spend a lot of time compiling such books. So when you are in doubt you can check.

A baby is a baby.
A foetus is a foetus.

By using the word baby instead of foetus you think it supports your claim. Instead it makes you look pretty damn dumb.

Joey

Joey, I suggest you reread the OP. I do not maintain the position that you think I do. I am asking anti-abortion people to explain their position and they DO use the term as I used it.

 

[JoeyJoystick]

they DO use the term as I used it.

Hi Slavistor,

And that makes it ok? Correct? Right?

No!

On a personal note. I sometimes deliberately use wrong terminology too. Sometimes it makes it easier to get a point across to the mentally less developed


Joey

 

[Lursa]

Hi Slavistor,

And that makes it ok? Correct? Right?

No!

On a personal note. I sometimes deliberately use wrong terminology too. Sometimes it makes it easier to get a point across to the mentally less developed


Joey

He's asking pro-life (anti-abortion) supporters to justify their position. He's not making his own statements.

 

[JoeyJoystick]

Joey, I suggest you reread the OP. I do not maintain the position that you think I do. I am asking anti-abortion people to explain their position and they DO use the term as I used it.

Hi Slavister,

My apologies. No idea why it took not just you but also @Lursa to point this out to me.

Joey.