Why is This not Considered 'Domestic Terrorism'?

[VySky]

It seems to fit the label doesn't it? But the media can't seem to find the integrity to do so
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Several mall shootings and flash mob robbery sprees cast a pall on Black Friday, one of the busiest shopping days of the year.

Three people were shot, including a 10-year-old, and another three suffered non-life-threatening injuries during the subsequent evacuation when gunfire broke out at Southpoint Mall in Durham, North Carolina, Friday afternoon, police said

Mall shootings, flash mob thefts mark Black Friday

Several mall shootings and flash mob robbery sprees put a pallor on Black Friday, one of the busiest shopping days of the year.

abcnews.go.com

 

[bluesmoke]

It seems to fit the label doesn't it? But the media can't seem to find the integrity to do so
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Several mall shootings and flash mob robbery sprees cast a pall on Black Friday, one of the busiest shopping days of the year.

Three people were shot, including a 10-year-old, and another three suffered non-life-threatening injuries during the subsequent evacuation when gunfire broke out at Southpoint Mall in Durham, North Carolina, Friday afternoon, police said

Mall shootings, flash mob thefts mark Black Friday

Several mall shootings and flash mob robbery sprees put a pallor on Black Friday, one of the busiest shopping days of the year.

abcnews.go.com

Why do you believe it should be called domestic terrorism and what is your evidence? It's your OP and claim. It's for you to support, not for us to disprove something it isn't until you at least provide evidence of what you believe.

 

[BlueTex]

What would considering these incidents domestic terrorism accomplish other than a stiffy for some on the alt-right?

 

[VySky]

Why do you believe it should be called domestic terrorism and what is your evidence? It's your OP and claim. It's for you to support, not for us to disprove something it isn't until you at least provide evidence of what you believe.

Its not what I believe but that of the FBI that matters
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Definitions
Domestic Terrorism for the FBI’s purposes is referenced in U.S. Code at 18 U.S.C. 2331(5), and is defined as activities:

• Involving acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
• Appearing to be intended to:

o Intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
o Influence the policy of government by intimidation or coercion; or
o Affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping;
and
• Occurring primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

Domestic Terrorism: Definitions, Terminology, and Methodology | Federal Bureau of Investigation

As required by the National Defense Authorization Act, the FBI and Department of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence, have developed standard definitions of terminology related to domestic terrorism and uniform methodologies for tracking domestic...

www.fbi.gov

 

[aociswundumho]

There was a similar issue with thieves opening packages inside of the store and stealing the item. The market solved that problem with very-hard-to-open clamshell packages.

Retailers will study exactly how these Democratic flash mobs work and they will find a way to stop them. No doubt all of the good people who don't steal will be inconvenienced.

 

[Callen]

I don't think these criminal punks fit the definition of domestic terrorists. They are thugs who seem to have some level of direction and coordination. Gangs of youths directed by criminal, mob-like adults are my guess.

 

[MamboDervish]

Its not what I believe but that of the FBI that matters
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Definitions
Domestic Terrorism for the FBI’s purposes is referenced in U.S. Code at 18 U.S.C. 2331(5), and is defined as activities:

• Involving acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
• Appearing to be intended to:

o Intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
o Influence the policy of government by intimidation or coercion; or
o Affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping;
and
• Occurring primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

Domestic Terrorism: Definitions, Terminology, and Methodology | Federal Bureau of Investigation

As required by the National Defense Authorization Act, the FBI and Department of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence, have developed standard definitions of terminology related to domestic terrorism and uniform methodologies for tracking domestic...

www.fbi.gov

Bravo! How courageous of you. You seem to be publicly admitting that you don't know the difference between common crime, and terrorism. Most people would be embarrassed by disclosing that.

 

[JMB802]

It seems to fit the label doesn't it? But the media can't seem to find the integrity to do so
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Several mall shootings and flash mob robbery sprees cast a pall on Black Friday, one of the busiest shopping days of the year.

Three people were shot, including a 10-year-old, and another three suffered non-life-threatening injuries during the subsequent evacuation when gunfire broke out at Southpoint Mall in Durham, North Carolina, Friday afternoon, police said

Mall shootings, flash mob thefts mark Black Friday

Several mall shootings and flash mob robbery sprees put a pallor on Black Friday, one of the busiest shopping days of the year.

abcnews.go.com

What's the political aim? How are the actions attempting to affect and influence the conduct and policy of government?

These thugs are doing these things strictly for selfish reasons.

 

[The AntiDonald]

Its not what I believe but that of the FBI that matters
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Definitions
Domestic Terrorism for the FBI’s purposes is referenced in U.S. Code at 18 U.S.C. 2331(5), and is defined as activities:

• Involving acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
• Appearing to be intended to:

o Intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
o Influence the policy of government by intimidation or coercion; or
o Affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping;
and
• Occurring primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

Domestic Terrorism: Definitions, Terminology, and Methodology | Federal Bureau of Investigation

As required by the National Defense Authorization Act, the FBI and Department of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence, have developed standard definitions of terminology related to domestic terrorism and uniform methodologies for tracking domestic...

www.fbi.gov

The very definitions you provided indicates that a conspiracy of sorts is necessary for it to fall in the domestic terrorism territory. In Durham, for example, there was no conspiracy, just mental illness involved. No militias, Proud Boys, or Oath Keeper types.

Even at Parkland HS there was no conspiracy, yet 17 people died. Just one clearly sick individual. How about Vegas, over 50 people killed by one very sick guy. None of these incidents can be deemed domestic terrorism.

The attempted kidnapping of the Michigan governor was domestic terrorism. A conspiracy involving a hand full of people to terrorize the government.

This OP is just another deflection from what happened on 1-6. We can all see it quite clearly.

What happened at the capitol was clearly domestic terrorism, an insurrection designed to overturn the duly elected president of the United States. There is nothing else you can call it.

 

[BlueTex]

Its not what I believe but that of the FBI that matters
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Definitions
Domestic Terrorism for the FBI’s purposes is referenced in U.S. Code at 18 U.S.C. 2331(5), and is defined as activities:

• Involving acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
• Appearing to be intended to:

o Intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
o Influence the policy of government by intimidation or coercion; or
o Affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping;
and
• Occurring primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

Domestic Terrorism: Definitions, Terminology, and Methodology | Federal Bureau of Investigation

As required by the National Defense Authorization Act, the FBI and Department of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence, have developed standard definitions of terminology related to domestic terrorism and uniform methodologies for tracking domestic...

www.fbi.gov

Using that definition, shouldn't EVERY person who stepped foot inside the capitol on Jan 6th be charged with domestic terrorism? What about those who organized the events at the capital on Jan 6th?

 

[SMTA]

It seems to fit the label doesn't it? But the media can't seem to find the integrity to do so
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Several mall shootings and flash mob robbery sprees cast a pall on Black Friday, one of the busiest shopping days of the year.

Three people were shot, including a 10-year-old, and another three suffered non-life-threatening injuries during the subsequent evacuation when gunfire broke out at Southpoint Mall in Durham, North Carolina, Friday afternoon, police said

Mall shootings, flash mob thefts mark Black Friday

Several mall shootings and flash mob robbery sprees put a pallor on Black Friday, one of the busiest shopping days of the year.

abcnews.go.com

From the FBI website -
There is no single, universally accepted, definition of terrorism. Terrorism is defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).

Don’t see the words ‘flash mob’.
Big difference.

 

[SMTA]

Using that definition, shouldn't EVERY person who stepped foot inside the capitol on Jan 6th be charged with domestic terrorism? What about those who organized the events at the capital on Jan 6th?

and that takes care of the OP.

 

[What if...?]

It seems to fit the label doesn't it? But the media can't seem to find the integrity to do so
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Several mall shootings and flash mob robbery sprees cast a pall on Black Friday, one of the busiest shopping days of the year.

Three people were shot, including a 10-year-old, and another three suffered non-life-threatening injuries during the subsequent evacuation when gunfire broke out at Southpoint Mall in Durham, North Carolina, Friday afternoon, police said

Mall shootings, flash mob thefts mark Black Friday

Several mall shootings and flash mob robbery sprees put a pallor on Black Friday, one of the busiest shopping days of the year.

abcnews.go.com

Becaue they're about dolla dolla bills, y'all.

Not politics.

 

[SMTA]

There was a similar issue with thieves opening packages inside of the store and stealing the item. The market solved that problem with very-hard-to-open clamshell packages.

Retailers will study exactly how these Democratic flash mobs work and they will find a way to stop them. No doubt all of the good people who don't steal will be inconvenienced.

Another painfully stupid post.
Amazing.

 

[Cardinal]

It seems to fit the label doesn't it? But the media can't seem to find the integrity to do so
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Several mall shootings and flash mob robbery sprees cast a pall on Black Friday, one of the busiest shopping days of the year.

Three people were shot, including a 10-year-old, and another three suffered non-life-threatening injuries during the subsequent evacuation when gunfire broke out at Southpoint Mall in Durham, North Carolina, Friday afternoon, police said

Mall shootings, flash mob thefts mark Black Friday

Several mall shootings and flash mob robbery sprees put a pallor on Black Friday, one of the busiest shopping days of the year.

abcnews.go.com

Since twenty children were murdered at Sandy Hook, America has decided it’s okay with mass shootings.

Don’t see how robbery is terrorism, exactly.

 

[Maccabee]

It seems to fit the label doesn't it? But the media can't seem to find the integrity to do so
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Several mall shootings and flash mob robbery sprees cast a pall on Black Friday, one of the busiest shopping days of the year.

Three people were shot, including a 10-year-old, and another three suffered non-life-threatening injuries during the subsequent evacuation when gunfire broke out at Southpoint Mall in Durham, North Carolina, Friday afternoon, police said

Mall shootings, flash mob thefts mark Black Friday

Several mall shootings and flash mob robbery sprees put a pallor on Black Friday, one of the busiest shopping days of the year.

abcnews.go.com

In order for something to considered terrorism in the US, there must be a political motive

 

[Mr Person]

It seems to fit the label doesn't it? But the media can't seem to find the integrity to do so
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Several mall shootings and flash mob robbery sprees cast a pall on Black Friday, one of the busiest shopping days of the year.

Three people were shot, including a 10-year-old, and another three suffered non-life-threatening injuries during the subsequent evacuation when gunfire broke out at Southpoint Mall in Durham, North Carolina, Friday afternoon, police said

Mall shootings, flash mob thefts mark Black Friday

Several mall shootings and flash mob robbery sprees put a pallor on Black Friday, one of the busiest shopping days of the year.

abcnews.go.com

Yeah, and why isn't this called genocide:

What We Know About the Shooting Death of Ahmaud Arbery

Mr. Arbery, a 25-year-old Black man, was chased by white residents of a South Georgia neighborhood. They were convicted of murder and federal hate crimes.

www.nytimes.com

?!?!?!





Clue: it may have something to do with different things being different.

 

[bluesmoke]

Its not what I believe but that of the FBI that matters
======

Definitions
Domestic Terrorism for the FBI’s purposes is referenced in U.S. Code at 18 U.S.C. 2331(5), and is defined as activities:

• Involving acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
• Appearing to be intended to:

o Intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
o Influence the policy of government by intimidation or coercion; or
o Affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping;
and
• Occurring primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

Domestic Terrorism: Definitions, Terminology, and Methodology | Federal Bureau of Investigation

As required by the National Defense Authorization Act, the FBI and Department of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence, have developed standard definitions of terminology related to domestic terrorism and uniform methodologies for tracking domestic...

www.fbi.gov

What did the offender do that met each of the criteria you listed?

 

[VySky]

What did the offender do that met each of the criteria you listed?

Billet 1. The dead security guard.

 

[Paradoxical]

What would considering these incidents domestic terrorism accomplish other than a stiffy for some on the alt-right?

It would put BLM out of business

 

[Fledermaus]

It seems to fit the label doesn't it? But the media can't seem to find the integrity to do so
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Several mall shootings and flash mob robbery sprees cast a pall on Black Friday, one of the busiest shopping days of the year.

Three people were shot, including a 10-year-old, and another three suffered non-life-threatening injuries during the subsequent evacuation when gunfire broke out at Southpoint Mall in Durham, North Carolina, Friday afternoon, police said

Mall shootings, flash mob thefts mark Black Friday

Several mall shootings and flash mob robbery sprees put a pallor on Black Friday, one of the busiest shopping days of the year.

abcnews.go.com

Motivation makes the terrorist....

Why did they do this?

 

[SMTA]

It seems to fit the label doesn't it? But the media can't seem to find the integrity to do so
------------------

Several mall shootings and flash mob robbery sprees cast a pall on Black Friday, one of the busiest shopping days of the year.

Three people were shot, including a 10-year-old, and another three suffered non-life-threatening injuries during the subsequent evacuation when gunfire broke out at Southpoint Mall in Durham, North Carolina, Friday afternoon, police said

Mall shootings, flash mob thefts mark Black Friday

Several mall shootings and flash mob robbery sprees put a pallor on Black Friday, one of the busiest shopping days of the year.

abcnews.go.com

Call the local DA. and whine to them.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

It seems to fit the label doesn't it? But the media can't seem to find the integrity to do so
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Several mall shootings and flash mob robbery sprees cast a pall on Black Friday, one of the busiest shopping days of the year.

Three people were shot, including a 10-year-old, and another three suffered non-life-threatening injuries during the subsequent evacuation when gunfire broke out at Southpoint Mall in Durham, North Carolina, Friday afternoon, police said

Mall shootings, flash mob thefts mark Black Friday

Several mall shootings and flash mob robbery sprees put a pallor on Black Friday, one of the busiest shopping days of the year.

abcnews.go.com

Because its violent robbery. Their main goal is to brazenly steal. A terrorists goal is to terrorize for for political or ideological reasons. Certainly you see the difference.

 

[natman]

Domestic Terrorism for the FBI’s purposes is referenced in U.S. Code at 18 U.S.C. 2331(5), and is defined as activities:

• Involving acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
• Appearing to be intended to:

o Intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
o Influence the policy of government by intimidation or coercion; or
o Affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping;
and
• Occurring primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

Domestic Terrorism: Definitions, Terminology, and Methodology | Federal Bureau of Investigation

As required by the National Defense Authorization Act, the FBI and Department of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence, have developed standard definitions of terminology related to domestic terrorism and uniform methodologies for tracking domestic...

www.fbi.gov

OK, these acts are certainly crimes and should be dealt with accordingly. And they are occurring primarily within the US, which makes them domestic crimes. But where is the coercion? What policy are they trying to influence? What conduct of the government are they trying to affect?

Unless these elements are present, they are not terrorism. "Acts dangerous to human life" ALONE are not enough.

 

[lwf]

There was a similar issue with thieves opening packages inside of the store and stealing the item. The market solved that problem with very-hard-to-open clamshell packages.

Retailers will study exactly how these Democratic flash mobs work and they will find a way to stop them. No doubt all of the good people who don't steal will be inconvenienced.

What exactly is a "Democratic flash mob?"