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Why is there such a dislike for Obama

Mr.Nick said:
The democrats weren't liberals either....

Democrats don't know what the word "liberal" means... I'm a real liberal and democrats/progressives are authoritarian right-wing fascists and have been ever since their conception. (Well except for the early 20th century progressives who fought for civil liberties for all) - present day "progressives" are just authoritarian lunatics - no more do they work for civil liberties - no they work to BAN civil liberties, guns, pop, happy meal toys, food, speech, religion etc.... Their "progress" has turned into fascism.
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I just find it hilarious that you attack me about not knowing the political views of southern Dems, who I describe (accurately) as ultra conservatives, who worked to repress civil rights........while you talk about how liberal you are.

And you wonder what is wrong with me?

Good grief.
 
smb said:
You mean Dixiecrats like Strom Thurmond who then switched to the Republican Party and was instrumental in coming up with and aiding in Nixons Southern Strategy that would use segrationist, dixiecrats and racist to turn the south from reliably Democratic to Republican....Who should learn about their history???????
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Funny how Strom Thurmond was originally a democrat....

I got news for you - all those racist democrats that flipped the script to republican - were never REAL republicans in the first place - they only did it out of protest, because they didn't like the fact democrats were now financially supporting blacks....

What do you expect in a two party system?

Do you believe those idiots believed in any republican philosophy????

Hell no - all they did when they did that was flip the DNC the bird....
 
Mr.Nick said:
The democrats weren't liberals either....

Democrats don't know what the word "liberal" means... I'm a real liberal and democrats/progressives are authoritarian right-wing fascists and have been ever since their conception. (Well except for the early 20th century progressives who fought for civil liberties for all) - present day "progressives" are just authoritarian lunatics - no more do they work for civil liberties - no they work to BAN civil liberties, guns, pop, happy meal toys, food, speech, religion etc.... Their "progress" has turned into fascism.
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Ye olde fascist ploy. We know it so well. Methinks you need to understand the difference between banning something and regulating it. That being said what religion do progressives want to ban? What speech? What toys etc?
 
Mr.Nick said:
Funny how Strom Thurmond was originally a democrat....

I got news for you - all those racist democrats that flipped the script to republican - were never REAL republicans in the first place - they only did it out of protest, because they didn't like the fact democrats were now financially supporting blacks....

What do you expect in a two party system?

Do you believe those idiots believed in any republican philosophy????

Hell no - all they did when they did that was flip the DNC the bird....
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So now you are admitting that the modern Republican party is at least based in part on the rascist ideals of the segegrationist. FYI they did not leave the Democratic Party because they wanted to financially support blacks. They specifically left the Democratic Party because the Party as a whole stopped supporting segragation and Jim Crow Laws. So now we are dealing with the modern post-Nixon Republican Party that is based, at least paritially, on racist ideals and you still want to claim it was the Democratic Party that was/is racist?????
 
Mr.Nick said:
Funny how Strom Thurmond was originally a democrat....

I got news for you - all those racist democrats that flipped the script to republican - were never REAL republicans in the first place - they only did it out of protest, because they didn't like the fact democrats were now financially supporting blacks....

What do you expect in a two party system?

Do you believe those idiots believed in any republican philosophy????

Hell no - all they did when they did that was flip the DNC the bird....
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The GOP philosophy is NOT one of civil liberties, are you still stuck in the 1860's? That party has changed, and if you were any kind of student of the parties, you would see that.

And I supposedly need an education....FFS.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I just find it hilarious that you attack me about not knowing the political views of southern Dems, who I describe (accurately) as ultra conservatives, who worked to repress civil rights........while you talk about how liberal you are.

And you wonder what is wrong with me?

Good grief.
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Of course democrats in the south were all ultra conservative (religiously), not to mention authoritarian. The notion that it has changed is hilarious...

Today people don't comprehend the definition of words or the philosophies connected correctly.

The republicans have always (for the most part) been the real liberals and the "liberals" have always been the right-wingers - liberals have always been the authoritarians.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
You still avoid the point, the difference between bigotry and racism IS the amount of action.
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Wrong.

rac·ism
noun \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-\
Definition of RACISM
1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2: racial prejudice or discrimination

big·ot
noun \ˈbi-gət\
Definition of BIGOT
: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance



Seems like you are using definitions that Websters is not aware of. Perhaps you are using some sort of new "progressive" definition? The fact is, the words themselves are quite similar. The difference being that the word "bigot" is broader and more encompassing than the word "racist".
you shifted the topic from political philosophy to personal attributes. ALL politicians are always trying to gain, that wasn't the issue, you are ascribing the idea of helping individuals to vanity...it is a false idea.
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I shifted the topic? No, it is you who shifted the topic... AGAIN. The topic at hand was the racist component contained within the liberal agenda. Remember? Sure you do! The premise being that many on the left hold to this elitist belief that they are better, smarter, and more capable and minorities can only succeed with their help... (ie, without them minorities are nothing)
 
Gimmesometruth said:
The GOP philosophy is NOT one of civil liberties, are you still stuck in the 1860's? That party has changed, and if you were any kind of student of the parties, you would see that.

And I supposedly need an education....FFS.
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Really? cite an example of republicans trying to block civil liberties?

Today all I see are a bunch of so called "liberals" running around trying to legislate what people can eat, drink, ingest, say, think, telling people what products they need to buy, banning other products, hijacking businesses etc... I don't see republicans doing that.

Now that's what I see...

In what way's are republicans authoritarian??? in what ways are they trying to create a utopia?
 
Mr.Nick said:
Of course democrats in the south were all ultra conservative (religiously), not to mention authoritarian. The notion that it has changed is hilarious...
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First off, i did not say all...and second are you admitting that the South in general is socially conservative?

Today people don't comprehend the definition of words or the philosophies connected correctly.

The republicans have always (for the most part) been the real liberals and the "liberals" have always been the right-wingers - liberals have always been the authoritarians.
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Really! So lets take the the 64 Civil right vote as an example. The northern GOP voted at a lower % in favor than the northern Dems did. The southen GOP voted at a lower % in favor than the southern Dems.

Even when we get to today, the GOP voted against civil rights legislation at much greater levels that Dems, just look at DOMA or "Don't ask/don't tell".
 
Mr.Nick said:
Really? cite an example of republicans trying to block civil liberties?

Today all I see are a bunch of so called "liberals" running around trying to legislate what people can eat, drink, ingest, say, think, telling people what products they need to buy, banning other products, hijacking businesses etc... I don't see republicans doing that.

Now that's what I see...

In what way's are republicans authoritarian??? in what ways are they trying to create a utopia?
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Seriously? You don't see Republicans, e.g., opposing gay marriage, the elimination of don't ask don't tell, the DREAM Act, pushing restrictive voter ID laws that disproportionately impact minorities, opposing affirmative action, etc., etc.? What planet are you living on?
 
@ Gimmesometruth

You know what makes me a real liberal? the simple fact I could care less what you do just as long as what you're doing isn't hurting others.

You could smoke a carton of cigarettes a day - I wouldn't care. You could drink a bucket of cola and I wouldn't care. You could eat 5 Big Macs a day and I wouldn't care. But progressives like yourself apparently believe it's your business to tell me I cant live a certain lifestyle because you believe you're so damn smart and your intelligence is Gods gift to humanity...

You see - I don't need you or government telling me how to live my life or telling me what I can and cant do.

That's real liberalism... And a matter of fact that is real conservatism...
 
Mr.Nick said:
Funny how Strom Thurmond was originally a democrat....

I got news for you - all those racist democrats that flipped the script to republican - were never REAL republicans in the first place - they only did it out of protest, because they didn't like the fact democrats were now financially supporting blacks....

What do you expect in a two party system?

Do you believe those idiots believed in any republican philosophy????

Hell no - all they did when they did that was flip the DNC the bird....
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Speaking of "bird", Robert Bird remained a Democrat till his death. At his funeral he was praised by Democrats including Bill Clinton.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Really? cite an example of republicans trying to block civil liberties?
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I just did, DOMA, DA/DT.

Today all I see are a bunch of so called "liberals" running around trying to legislate what people can eat, drink, ingest, say, think, telling people what products they need to buy, banning other products, hijacking businesses etc... I don't see republicans doing that.
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Really, so when the GOP restricts what a woman does with her body, that is not restricting her choice.

Are you seriously arguing that blocking unhealthy products from the market place....is "fascist"? FFS.

Now that's what I see...

In what way's are republicans authoritarian??? in what ways are they trying to create a utopia?
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I did not know that utopia was always authoritarian. I don't think it would be so for the vast numbers who envision a true utopia....which for me would be an anarchistic world where everyone knew before hand the consequences of their actions and followed the Golden rule.
 
Grim17 said:
Speaking of "bird", Robert Bird remained a Democrat till his death. At his funeral he was praised by Democrats including Bill Clinton.
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Uh...yeah, because he saw the errors of his ideas and self reformed. We call that forgiveness.
 
Mr.Nick said:
@ Gimmesometruth

You know what makes me a real liberal? the simple fact I could care less what you do just as long as what you're doing isn't hurting others.

You could smoke a carton of cigarettes a day - I wouldn't care. You could drink a bucket of cola and I wouldn't care. You could eat 5 Big Macs a day and I wouldn't care. But progressives like yourself apparently believe it's your business to tell me I cant live a certain lifestyle because you believe you're so damn smart and your intelligence is Gods gift to humanity...

You see - I don't need you or government telling me how to live my life or telling me what I can and cant do.

That's real liberalism... And a matter of fact that is real conservatism...
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No, that is isolationism, it is separating yourself from the community. It is the utopia of libertarians to be completely alone, to kill themselves if they wish, to live without responsibility. You can do that out in the wilderness.....but in an urban setting, it is just the worst form of anarchy.
 
j-mac said:
Racism doesn't know political party, country, or religion, it only knows race.
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you are right, there are bound to be racist democrats.
 
My feelings about Obama are all based on his ability to sell a sack of goods. He didn't have the experience, the ability, capibility nor intelligence to be POTUS. He just wanted to be POTUS.
 
AdamT said:
Seriously? You don't see Republicans, e.g., opposing gay marriage, the elimination of don't ask don't tell, the DREAM Act, pushing restrictive voter ID laws that disproportionately impact minorities, opposing affirmative action, etc., etc.? What planet are you living on?
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Gay marriage was never legal in the first place - not to mention marriage is nothing more than contract law - hence any individual could engage in a contract with another individual. The whole marriage thing is nothing more than symbolic.

What is wrong with keeping ones sexuality to ones self? Besides, I really don't see how sexuality plays a role in any job - including military service.

In what universe are illegal aliens entitled to just jump ahead of the line and come here when there are plenty of immigrants who do it the legal way? I'm sure you would be pissed at me if I just cut in front of you in a line.

Anyone who cant get an ID is too stupid to vote, besides, the whole purpose of the law is to cut down on voter fraud - not to mention getting an ID is not that difficult to obtain. Besides you only need an ID to cash a paycheck, get a job, drive a car, buy a home, rent a home, get food stamps, get welfare, buy tobacco, buy booze - or pretty much anything an adult does... I'm getting sick of the notion that ID's to vote are unreasonable. Oh and the best part is that here in Illinois when you got TO GET YOUR ID is when they ask you if you want to register to vote.... With that said I have absolutely no idea as to how someone cannot have an ID but be registered to vote?
 
Peter King said:
you are right, there are bound to be racist democrats.
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Bound to be?... The Dem party is where they go... all the Libs and Dems do is deal in "victimhood" and racism... you need to finally get that it sthe Dems that need to create victims so they can allocate money to save them.. and in relaity they do it to create their own self worth and greed..

Dems play the racist and the race card..thats the prism they use to see things..

the GOP Conservatives really only see ONE AMERICA.. you are etiher an AMERICAN or not.. we have no want or care to view a person as anything else..
 
I personally don't like or dislike Obama........I just think the is incompetent aand the worse president ever elected in this country.
 
Navy Pride said:
I personally don't like or dislike Obama........I just think the is incompetent aand the worse president ever elected in this country.
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Spot on. The man doesn't have the "stuff" to be POTUS all he had was that "preacher in the pulpit" ability to speak and no background nor experience to do the job.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Gay marriage was never legal in the first place - not to mention marriage is nothing more than contract law - hence any individual could engage in a contract with another individual. The whole marriage thing is nothing more than symbolic.

What is wrong with keeping ones sexuality to ones self? Besides, I really don't see how sexuality plays a role in any job - including military service.
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Wow, discrimination based on sexual preference....is OK with you. We should not be free to chose who we want to love, we should hide it.

So much for your version of civil liberties.

EDIT: I was going to comment on the fact that inter-racial marriage was never "legal" in the first place either, but Adam caught that too.

Again, you are defending the repression of civil rights.
 
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Billy the Kid said:
Hiya Gimmie!

Still buying that sack of beans old Jack, a.k.a Obama, is selling I see. Good for you, it becomes you. :mrgreen:
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Heya Kid, still operating on "feelings" I see, nice to know you don't change.
 
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