Why is Mexico lawless and Canada not?

[phoenix2020]

Ok

1) it’s coup d’etat

2) irrelevant
3) No, they didn’t.

I can’t help but think that I would agree with you, if it weren’t for the fact that you are completely wrong.

 

[Andyh2299]

Do you have insight into how many government officials are owned by the cartels?

No I think a lot of cartels are owned by members of the government

 

[spud_meister]

What wealth was extracted by the Spanish Empire? Mexico has been an independent country for 200 years, and the Spanish empire has been little more than a joke for most of that time.

Huge amounts of gold and silver were extracted by the Spanish empire in the 15th and 16th century. In that time, the vast majority of the worlds silver came from Belize or Mexico. As well as the value of labour under the Spanish slave empires. Discounting minerals, had the value of the labour stayed in Mexico, and not flown to Spain through trade and taxation, Mexico would be a much richer place.

 

[spud_meister]

Meaning controlled by people who knew how to manage wealth? Lol that’s apparently now “white supremacy”

The left is a philosophy built on daddy issues exhibit A

White supremacy is the enslavement and segregation of non-whites by whites. You know, Canadian history. Wealth isn't managed, it is extracted.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

White supremacy is the enslavement and segregation of non-whites by whites. You know, Canadian history.

That is not true in Canadian history

Wealth isn't managed, it is extracted.

 

[spud_meister]

That is not true in Canadian history

African Heritage Month Narratives: Week Three | African Nova Scotian Affairs - Government of Nova Scotia

“Today teaches tomorrow a lesson” – African Proverb Canada’s History of Segregation Canada has always been considered a forward thinking land of freedom; a multicultural society where all citizens are free from racial discrimination. Historically, while Canada did not have segregation (Jim Crow)...

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The story of Black slavery in Canadian history | CMHR

Canada celebrates being a destination for Americans who escaped slavery via the Underground Railroad. But slavery was also part of Canada’s history for more than 200 years.

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My 2 year loves emojis too.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

African Heritage Month Narratives: Week Three | African Nova Scotian Affairs - Government of Nova Scotia

“Today teaches tomorrow a lesson” – African Proverb Canada’s History of Segregation Canada has always been considered a forward thinking land of freedom; a multicultural society where all citizens are free from racial discrimination. Historically, while Canada did not have segregation (Jim Crow)...

ansa.novascotia.ca

The story of Black slavery in Canadian history | CMHR

Canada celebrates being a destination for Americans who escaped slavery via the Underground Railroad. But slavery was also part of Canada’s history for more than 200 years.

humanrights.ca

Historically insignificant. Virtually no slaves were brought to what is now Canada and your own source admits Jim Crow didn’t exist, even if it did, so what?

My 2 year loves emojis too.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Huge amounts of gold and silver were extracted by the Spanish empire in the 15th and 16th century. In that time, the vast majority of the worlds silver came from Belize or Mexico. As well as the value of labour under the Spanish slave empires. Discounting minerals, had the value of the labour stayed in Mexico, and not flown to Spain through trade and taxation, Mexico would be a much richer place.

No it wouldnt.

none of that wealth would ever have been created by the primitive peoples living there before Spanish colonization as their level of technology was lower than the Bronze Age and there is almost no likliehood it ever would’ve improved.

Modern Mexico in fact has mineral and oil abundance, any wealth created goes into a black hole of corruption that is the Mexican state. Furthermore they’re dependent on foreign technical skill to keep the infrastructure working.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

OH geeeze~!!!

Everyone on this thread MISSED the obvious reason for the big difference.

Mexico is hot, when you get hot, you get irritable and need to let off steam.

Canada is cold, everyone hunkers down, snuggles up with their loved one, we smoke our legal weed, and can't be bothered to go outdoors to do lawlessness.

 

[TheParser]

1. I do not know why Mexico is so corrupt.

2. But I do know that Mexico would be less corrupt if there were fewer Americans who feel that they need to consume drugs.

"Poor Mexico. So far from God and so close to the United States," as one Mexican president lamented.

 

[NatMorton]

I think it is because of the economic difference between the middle and the lower class. And I think that is why the US is having more problems because of that same difference.

It has much to do with how they were colonized.

Look around the world at the former European colonies that are today first world countries: the US, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Bermuda, and in its day, even Hong Kong. Think about some of the former European colonies that are today third word nations: Peru, Venezuela, Mexico, Haiti, Cambodia, Angola, Libya, etc.

While by no means an iron clad rule, what you see is that Britain’s former colonies tend to be First World nations and those colonized by other European nations tend to be Third World. It speaks to their respective methods, and even objectives, of colonization. Most European states simply went after these lands to extract resources and didn’t care much what they left behind. England certainly was after resources, too, but there methods were different. Almost everywhere England colonized they also went to work building little Englands. They didn’t just extract wealth; they imported their culture, a culture that (for its day) was democratic and very stable. Schools, rational systems of government, and the rule of law were often established in manly of their colonies from the outset.

In short, Canada is in a better position today because it had a far healthier colonial inheritance than did Mexico.

 

[Andyh2299]

OH geeeze~!!!

Everyone on this thread MISSED the obvious reason for the big difference.

Mexico is hot, when you get hot, you get irritable and need to let off steam.

Canada is cold, everyone hunkers down, snuggles up with their loved one, we smoke our legal weed, and can't be bothered to go outdoors to do lawlessness.

I don't think warmness has anything to do with warm

Sumeria is warm, founded earliest civilization, Rome is warm conquered all of Europe, Guangzhou in China is warm, California is warm

 

[jaypatriot]

had the value of the labour stayed in Mexico, and not flown to Spain through trade and taxation, Mexico would be a much richer place.

That's like saying, "Had the value of all the fentanyl smuggled into America been invested in Mexico and its people, Mexico would be a much richer place." A totally impossible hypothetical situation.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

I don't think warmness has anything to do with warm

Sumeria is warm, founded earliest civilization, Rome is warm conquered all of Europe, Guangzhou in China is warm, California is warm

all have more crime than Canada, don't they?

 

[Andyh2299]

all have more crime than Canada, don't they?

You guys are just too nice

 

[Noodlegawd]

Huge amounts of gold and silver were extracted by the Spanish empire in the 15th and 16th century. In that time, the vast majority of the worlds silver came from Belize or Mexico. As well as the value of labour under the Spanish slave empires. Discounting minerals, had the value of the labour stayed in Mexico, and not flown to Spain through trade and taxation, Mexico would be a much richer place.

Why didn't that happen to the US?

 

[SCrider]

I think it is because of the economic difference between the middle and the lower class. And I think that is why the US is having more problems because of that same difference.

I think it goes all the way back to when these countries were originally settled and for what purpose. Canada and tjhe US were primarily settled by individuals looking to live in this land for ever. Spain pretty much set up Mexico as a place to rape and plunder. It's been hard to over come that for day one.

 

[Grand Mal]

I think it is because of the economic difference between the middle and the lower class. And I think that is why the US is having more problems because of that same difference.

I think it's because Canada has had no role in supplying addictive drugs to the American market. Supplying that demand has ruined more than one Latin American society.

 

[Ahlevah]

I think it is because of the economic difference between the middle and the lower class. And I think that is why the US is having more problems because of that same difference.

Obviously, it’s not because Mexico has gun control.

Assuming what you say is true, this begs the question as to why Canada is a prosperous, developed nation with a vibrant middle class, while Mexico is a perennial economic basket case with a population itchy to find its pot of gold in the Land of Milk and Gringos. I think the difference can be found in the way the countries have been historically governed. In fact, look around and you’ll see a pattern: former British colonies like the U.S., Canada, New Zealand, and Australia with a history of multi-party representative or parliamentary democracy; separation of powers; a strong, independent judiciary and respect for the rule of law; the peaceful transfer of political power; respect for private property; etc. versus a legacy of Spanish colonialism wherein powerful, politically connected families controlled vast wealth; violent revolutions and military coups; nationalizations of private property; political corruption; etc. that exacted a high toll on economic growth and prosperity.

I’m afraid Latin Americans still haven’t learned their lesson and are once again being lured into the abyss by charismatic leaders singing the siren song of popular socialism with its disdain for democratic institutions and capitalism.

 

[spud_meister]

Why didn't that happen to the US?

Again, settler-colonial vs. empire. US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand are all relatively rich, wealthy places because they were settler-colonial states that had the resources of established nations to build themselves up, and then the extracted wealth of the land they stole was used to boost that. Compare them to countries that were just extractive colonies like Brazil, India or The Philippines, and you see the difference. It's also a case of repression v genocide. In India, the colonial government was just brutally repressive, in Australia, it was actively genocidal in its pursuit of land and resources. Without a native population to sustain, wealth is more easily concentrated in the hands on the settler bourgeoisie.

 

[rickc]

I think it is because of the economic difference between the middle and the lower class. And I think that is why the US is having more problems because of that same difference.

Because of America's insatiable appetite for drugs. The money going to criminal elements are what create drug cartels with the power to challenge/corrupt governments. It is the same all through central and South America. Follow the drug producers and the trafficking path and you will find the same violence and corruption. This crime and violence is a big reason we have all the refugees at our southern border.

 

[highroller]

I think it is because of the economic difference between the middle and the lower class. And I think that is why the US is having more problems because of that same difference.

Mexico is lawless because they have a small government and corrupt politicians that can be bought off.

Americas future

 

[beefheart]

Mexico works pretty well, what I've seen. I've lived here since early November in a working class neighbourhood and it looks like grassroots capitalism working the way it has for decades. Working better than the oligarchy that passes for capitalism in the north.
I've been panhandled twice since I got here and I can't walk down a block in downtown Vancouver without being panhandled three or four times.
The medical system works like North Americans wish theirs would and the cost of living, away from the tourist hellholes, is within everyone's reach.

That is my experience from over 50 years of traveling to Mexico.

But, fear and xenophobia sell.

 

[Grand Mal]

That is my experience from over 50 years of traveling to Mexico.

But, fear and xenophobia sell.

It's different but not an awful lot different. Just a bit different. Anyone from Canada or US who thinks Mexico is too exotic should just stay in Canada or US. Maybe if they feel bold they could venture to Britain or Australia or New Zealand but they should just cover the Africa and Asia and South America parts of their maps.

 

[SayMyName]

I think it is because of the economic difference between the middle and the lower class. And I think that is why the US is having more problems because of that same difference.