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Why is CRT a hot button issue and how did it become one?

Is it actually about race? Or is it about poverty, and home life, and other factors?

The problem is there are MANY factors that contribute to students success, when you try and focus just on ONE ie. Race, then you really aren't trying to help better the situation.....
No argument. It isn't strictly about the race of the students, nor is it about actively bigoted white people. It IS about poverty, home life, and other factors. But the next logical questions is: Why are black students more susceptible to poverty, a bad home life, or other factors?

Whether it is "about race" or not, the outcome is the same. Black students on average do worse than white students. The question CRT answers is "why?" The answer is: black and white cultures exist as they do today in part due to the long legacy of white supremacy and black oppression in America. It doesn't mean that this oppression still exists as it once did. It means that the system evolved under this oppression, and our cultures evolved to exist within the confines of this oppression. Suddenly removing the laws supporting this oppression is about as effective at healing the cultures involved as a parent reconciling with an abused and neglected child later in life and expecting the child's behavior and attitude to suddenly fall in line with all your other children you actually cared for and raised properly. It doesn't work that way. The damage has been done, and suddenly finding Jesus and shaking hands with your abused child as an adult doesn't absolve you of the guilt and responsibility for the part you played in making him who he is today.
 
No argument. It isn't strictly about the race of the students, nor is it about actively bigoted white people. It IS about poverty, home life, and other factors. But the next logical questions is: Why are black students more susceptible to poverty, a bad home life, or other factors?

Whether it is "about race" or not, the outcome is the same. Black students on average do worse than white students. The question CRT answers is "why?" The answer is: black and white cultures exist as they do today in part due to the long legacy of white supremacy and black oppression in America. It doesn't mean that this oppression still exists as it once did. It means that the system evolved under this oppression, and our cultures evolved to exist within the confines of this oppression. Suddenly removing the laws supporting this oppression is about as effective at healing the cultures involved as a parent reconciling with an abused and neglected child later in life and expecting the child's behavior and attitude to suddenly fall in line with all your other children you actually cared for and raised properly. It doesn't work that way. The damage has been done, and suddenly finding Jesus and shaking hands with your abused child as an adult doesn't absolve you of the guilt and responsibility for the part you played in making him who he is today.

So if there are no more laws about oppression etc, and I agree there were laws in place that did that, it would be idiotic to deny that, and the effect they had, but if they are taken away, what's the next step, I'm not sure that teaching white children they were inherently bad because of act of others is the best way to go about this.

Nor do I think saying that any white person is guilty of anything, that ANOTHER white party did, how idiotic is that? That's like saying two brothers, one killed their parents, so both are guilty.....that's what the argument is against CRT....

Nothing wrong with acknowledging the past and striving to do better, where it becomes idiotic, is to expect people who have nothing to do with that to "pay" for that......
 
Why take the time trying to understand something when a cursory glance at the first part of the definition serves to reinforce your preconceptions about the other side?
I would posit that it’s because many on the right - I’m recent years anyway - only have cultural issues for ammo.
 
So if there are no more laws about oppression etc, and I agree there were laws in place that did that, it would be idiotic to deny that, and the effect they had, but if they are taken away, what's the next step, I'm not sure that teaching white children they were inherently bad because of act of others is the best way to go about this.

Nor do I think saying that any white person is guilty of anything, that ANOTHER white party did, how idiotic is that? That's like saying two brothers, one killed their parents, so both are guilty.....that's what the argument is against CRT....

Nothing wrong with acknowledging the past and striving to do better, where it becomes idiotic, is to expect people who have nothing to do with that to "pay" for that......
Systemic racism doesn't teach white children that they are inherently bad, nor guilty of anything. You don't have to be guilty of making a mess to take responsibility for helping to clean it up.
 
Systemic racism doesn't teach white children that they are inherently bad, nor guilty of anything. You don't have to be guilty of making a mess to take responsibility for helping to clean it up.

CRT does, apparently, does it not? You are right, you don't have to be guilty of making a mess to help clean it up, but by using the phrase, take responsibility, soon as I use that phrase in relation to black people, I'm labeled a racist....right? Because they should be able to, take responsibility for their actions, right?
 
CRT does, apparently, does it not? You are right, you don't have to be guilty of making a mess to help clean it up, but by using the phrase, take responsibility, soon as I use that phrase in relation to black people, I'm labeled a racist....right? Because they should be able to, take responsibility for their actions, right?
CRT doesn't teach this. It teaches that black people should take responsibility for their actions and for their culture. But conservative commentators pretend that when CRT says white people should ALSO take responsibility, that it is somehow implying that black people need not. They say this in order to make you angry enough that your irrational hatred of Democrats drives you to vote Republican against your own interests and against the interests of the country in order to line the pockets of the elites who donate to their Fox News 'entertainment' programs.
 
CRT doesn't teach this. It teaches that black people should take responsibility for their actions and for their culture. But conservative commentators pretend that when CRT says white people should ALSO take responsibility, that it is somehow implying that black people need not. They say this in order to make you angry enough that your irrational hatred of Democrats drives you to vote Republican against your own interests and against the interests of the country in order to line the pockets of the elites who donate to their Fox News 'entertainment' programs.

Well isn't that some spin shit there.......

So CRT teaches that black people should take responsibility for their actions and culture, by blaming it on shit 200 years ago? That's a new one.
 
CRT does, apparently, does it not? You are right, you don't have to be guilty of making a mess to help clean it up, but by using the phrase, take responsibility, soon as I use that phrase in relation to black people, I'm labeled a racist....right? Because they should be able to, take responsibility for their actions, right?
It does, but this is the kind of oppression and hate that many on the far-left verdantly agree. Among other horrible things that come up from within that same system.

CRT has issues with forcing segregation as well. Usually explaining this as removing black children from the "whiteness" nature of the white children.
 
Well isn't that some spin shit there.......

So CRT teaches that black people should take responsibility for their actions and culture, by blaming it on shit 200 years ago? That's a new one.
It is naive to assume that cultures evolve in isolation and should be entirely unaffected by the past. Do you celebrate Christmas? If so, why? Would you say that who you are today was due to any influence from the values of your family and the friends you grew up with? Do you also presume the present state of Native American cultures are entirely their own fault, since the past is the past?
 
It does, but this is the kind of oppression and hate that many on the far-left verdantly agree. Among other horrible things that come up from within that same system.

CRT has issues with forcing segregation as well. Usually explaining this as removing black children from the "whiteness" nature of the white children.
Which schools do this?
 
The Republicans are trying to rile up their white base with white identity politics, so they can kepp winning elections.
 
It is naive to assume that cultures evolve in isolation and should be entirely unaffected by the past. Do you celebrate Christmas? If so, why? Would you say that who you are today was due to any influence from the values of your family and the friends you grew up with? Do you also presume the present state of Native American cultures are entirely their own fault, since the past is the past?

Yet, that's now that you said, you said that CRT is teaching, that black people should take responsibility...here this is what you said, " It teaches that black people should take responsibility for their actions and for their culture." So let me ask you this, how is blaming shit that happened 200 years ago....taking responsibility for their actions and their culture?
 
Yet, that's now that you said, you said that CRT is teaching, that black people should take responsibility...here this is what you said, " It teaches that black people should take responsibility for their actions and for their culture." So let me ask you this, how is blaming shit that happened 200 years ago....taking responsibility for their actions and their culture?
It is not an either/or scenario. If a child grows up forced to do what he can to survive an abusive father and neglecting mother and turns to a life of crime, is he to blame for a decision he makes later in life as an adult to victimize others? If so, does that mean his parents are entirely blameless? Would studying the effect that childhood abuse and neglect had on the course of this man's life automatically be an argument that he is not to blame for being a criminal as an adult?

It is a conservative false dilemma that the plight of the black community in 2021 must either be entirely the fault of the black community or entirely the fault of the white community, and that therefore anyone who suggests that white society bears responsibility must therefore believe that black society does not. American society is responsible and therefore it is up to Americans to do something about it.
 
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It is not an either/or scenario. If a child grows up forced to do what he can to survive an abusive father and neglecting mother and turns to a life of crime, is he to blame for a decision he makes later in life as an adult to victimize others? If so, does that mean his parents are entirely blameless? Would studying the effect that childhood abuse and neglect had on the course of this man's life automatically be an argument that he is not to blame for being a criminal as an adult?

It is a conservative false dilemma that the plight of the black community in 2021 must either be entirely the fault of the black community or entirely the fault of the white community, and that therefore anyone who suggests that white society bears responsibility must therefore believe that black society does not. American society is responsible and therefore it is up to Americans to do something about it.

No one is saying that, except you.

In your scenario, 100% he is to blame for decisions he makes later in life as an adult. Did his upbringing contribute to it, 100% it did, you still are responsible for the decisions you make.

White society 200 years ago, White society even 50-60 years ago, sure, but CRT is saying WHITE SOCIETY NOW......that's utter bullshit.
 
No one is saying that, except you.

In your scenario, 100% he is to blame for decisions he makes later in life as an adult. Did his upbringing contribute to it, 100% it did, you still are responsible for the decisions you make.

White society 200 years ago, White society even 50-60 years ago, sure, but CRT is saying WHITE SOCIETY NOW......that's utter bullshit.
It isn't saying white society is 100% responsible. It's saying that American society is 100% responsible, and white people are a part of American society. CRT does not teach that actively racist white people are getting in the way of black people's success in 2021. This is another conservative myth that is politically convenient even when it does not reflect reality. That's why it's called "systemic racism" rather than simply "racism." Republicans have a vested interest in making sure that conservatives don't know the difference. CRT teaches that difference.
 
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