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Why is abortion "ok" for rape and incest?

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I've noticed that many people who are against abortion make exceptions in the case of rape or incest. Maybe I'm missing something, but this seems like a hypocritical position to take. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Incest can result in deformation of the fetus, but if that makes abortion "okay", then it should also be "okay" to abort any fetus that's going to be born deformed.

Rape can result in unwanted pregnancy. Unlike careless sex, rape is never the mother's fault. But it's not the fetus' fault, either. If you care about the mother's feelings, and don't want to force her to have a "constant reminder" of the incident, then that makes abortion okay? If that's the case, abortion should be okay for any woman who gets pregnant by an abusive, dominating husband or boyfriend, so they don't have a "constant reminder" of the abuse.

Why support a woman's right to choose only for certain circumstances by which she got pregnant? Does anyone who holds this belief care to explain their rationale?
 

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Binary_Digit said:
I've noticed that many people who are against abortion make exceptions in the case of rape or incest. Maybe I'm missing something, but this seems like a hypocritical position to take. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Incest can result in deformation of the fetus, but if that makes abortion "okay", then it should also be "okay" to abort any fetus that's going to be born deformed.

Rape can result in unwanted pregnancy. Unlike careless sex, rape is never the mother's fault. But it's not the fetus' fault, either. If you care about the mother's feelings, and don't want to force her to have a "constant reminder" of the incident, then that makes abortion okay? If that's the case, abortion should be okay for any woman who gets pregnant by an abusive, dominating husband or boyfriend, so they don't have a "constant reminder" of the abuse.

Why support a woman's right to choose only for certain circumstances by which she got pregnant? Does anyone who holds this belief care to explain their rationale?

1. Because when a baby is produced by someone of the same family, 9/10 times the baby comes out with a disorder.
2. Every other abortion is because the girl cant use protection/ keep her legs together and she is too irresponsible to take care of her consequences.
3. That is just wrong to have a baby with lets say your dad.
4. Most of the girls that are raped are too young to have a baby (to young to support it) so they do not need a child, and yes its a constant reminder. And the babie could come out messed up and how would you explain who the babies daddy is to the baby! It some random sick-o. Would you want to have a baby with some nasty perv?
 

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1. Because when a baby is produced by someone of the same family, 9/10 times the baby comes out with a disorder.
You didn't answer my question. If you support abortion in the case of incest, and this is the reason you support it, then it should be ok to abort ANY fetus that's going to be deformed, right?

2. Every other abortion is because the girl cant use protection/ keep her legs together and she is too irresponsible to take care of her consequences.
That's true, but we aren't talking about the mother's responsibility, we're talking about the fetus' "right" to develop into a person. Regardless of the circumstances of pregnancy, it's still a "life", isn't it?

3. That is just wrong to have a baby with lets say your dad.
No argument here. But again, this isn't about the circumstances behind how mom got pregnant. It's about the fetus.

4. Most of the girls that are raped are too young to have a baby (to young to support it) so they do not need a child
But pro-lifers argue that teenagers who get pregnant carelessly (not via rape) should give it up for adoption, not abort.

and yes its a constant reminder.
How is that any different than having a constant reminder of an abusive husband? My father was abusive, but my mother doesn't consider me a "constant reminder" of that.

And the babie could come out messed up and how would you explain who the babies daddy is to the baby! It some random sick-o. Would you want to have a baby with some nasty perv?
No, I wouldn't want to have a baby with some nasty perv, but that's beside the point. I have a friend who'se mother was raped and she became pregnant with him. She chose to carry him to term, and raise him like her own child. He seems to have turned out just fine.
 

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Binary_Digit said:
I have a friend who'se mother was raped and she became pregnant with him. She chose to carry him to term, and raise him like her own child. He seems to have turned out just fine.
Um, he wasn't her own child? :confused:
 

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Yea, I worded that wrong.
 

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Courtneyx3 said:
4. Most of the girls that are raped are too young to have a baby (to young to support it) so they do not need a child, and yes its a constant reminder. And the babie could come out messed up and how would you explain who the babies daddy is to the baby! It some random sick-o. Would you want to have a baby with some nasty perv?
If you're mother today sat you down and told her that she was raped, would you still want to be alive?
 

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Binary_Digit said:
You didn't answer my question. If you support abortion in the case of incest, and this is the reason you support it, then it should be ok to abort ANY fetus that's going to be deformed, right?
Yes, in that case I am fine with it. If a mother/ Doctor knows the baby will have something terrible wrong then I am okay with an abortion.


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That's true, but we aren't talking about the mother's responsibility, we're talking about the fetus' "right" to develop into a person. Regardless of the circumstances of pregnancy, it's still a "life", isn't it?
Right, that is why I dont believe in abortion when its not rape.


Binary_Digit said:
No argument here. But again, this isn't about the circumstances behind how mom got pregnant. It's about the fetus.
But the baby, is going to come out with something WRONG! This has been proven.

Binary_Digit said:
But pro-lifers argue that teenagers who get pregnant carelessly (not via rape) should give it up for adoption, not abort.
Thats how I feel. I am pro-life.

Binary_Digit said:
How is that any different than having a constant reminder of an abusive husband? My father was abusive, but my mother doesn't consider me a "constant reminder" of that.
Well I guess then it depends on the mother and the situation. Have you ever been raped? Do you know what kind of thoughts go through your mind after your raped?


Binary_Digit said:
No, I wouldn't want to have a baby with some nasty perv, but that's beside the point. I have a friend who'se mother was raped and she became pregnant with him. She chose to carry him to term, and raise him like her own child. He seems to have turned out just fine.
Okay, well then that mother could handle it and that is awesome. But in most cases the moms cant handle what they went through.
 

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If you're mother today sat you down and told her that she was raped, would you still want to be alive?
No. Not if I am a constant reminder to my mothers pain. And I would NOT want some sick-o to be my real dad.
 

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I would still want to be alive. I've got too much to live for to decide to kill myself now if I'm a constant reminder to my mother that she was raped. If you live like that thinking that way, you'll be too depressed and go crazy. Make good on your life to give new reason and a new, positive inspiration to your mother.

Besides, obviously the Mother thought better of not aborting if you're still alive.
 

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flip2 said:
I would still want to be alive. I've got too much to live for to decide to kill myself now if I'm a constant reminder to my mother that she was raped. If you live like that thinking that way, you'll be too depressed and go crazy. Make good on your life to give new reason and a new, positive inspiration to your mother.

Besides, obviously the Mother thought better of not aborting if you're still alive.
Right, but if she chose to keep me then I am fine with that, but if I was a constant reminder then it was her choice but if she would have aborted me that would have been okay because you DONT know what goes through a person after their raped. My mom was raped as a little kid and she tells me what went through her head afterwards, its not nice thoughts. Now if my mom kept me and I was fine, then I would live my life as normal and be the best I could be to help her forget. Its not like if she told me that now I would kill myself, because obivously she is okay with me.
 

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Who has good thoughts when they're raped?

And hey, why'd you delete your post originally answering the question?
 

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flip2 said:
Who has good thoughts when they're raped?
I didnt say they did, I said they didn't. So it depends on the girl and how bad she was, in order for her to keep the baby as a reminder or to not keep the baby. I do NOT believe in abortion but in a rape case I do.
 

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Courtneyx3 said:
4. Most of the girls that are raped are too young to have a baby (to young to support it) so they do not need a child, and yes its a constant reminder. And the babie could come out messed up and how would you explain who the babies daddy is to the baby! It some random sick-o. Would you want to have a baby with some nasty perv?
Some questions:

1.) One of the arguments for abortion is if a teenager gets impregnated, many times they are too young to have a child (say highschool) and their parents can't afford it. Why is it applicable when theres rape involved, but not applicable when there is no rape involved?

2.) Birth Control doesn't have a 100% success rate. Should people who were trying to be responsible be allowed to have abortions when birth control fails?

3.) Should consensual statutory rape victims be allowed to have an abortion? After all, legally they were raped. But they DID consent to the sex, and they weren't being responsible.
 

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Bluefire said:
2.) Birth Control doesn't have a 100% success rate. Should people who were trying to be responsible be allowed to have abortions when birth control fails?
This isn't a state secret. We all know the risks involved when proceeding with sexual intercourse. Plus using more than just one method of protection is always a good idea.
 

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This isn't a state secret. We all know the risks involved when proceeding with sexual intercourse. Plus using more than just one method of protection is always a good idea.
You'd be surprised how many people don't and the lack of good education there is on this, depending on where you grew up and how "liberal" the school systems were.
 

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Bluefire said:
Some questions:

1.) One of the arguments for abortion is if a teenager gets impregnated, many times they are too young to have a child (say highschool) and their parents can't afford it. Why is it applicable when theres rape involved, but not applicable when there is no rape involved?
Because, that was the girls choice to have unprotected sex, she was being irresponsible!

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2.) Birth Control doesn't have a 100% success rate. Should people who were trying to be responsible be allowed to have abortions when birth control fails?
No. That might be the case, but if your going to have a healthy baby, why not put it up for adoption?

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3.) Should consensual statutory rape victims be allowed to have an abortion? After all, legally they were raped. But they DID consent to the sex, and they weren't being responsible.
No, because they were the ones that had sex and were being irresponsible!
 

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Bluefire said:
You'd be surprised how many people don't and the lack of good education there is on this, depending on where you grew up and how "liberal" the school systems were.
I grew up in Podunk, Texas. I learned this in my Health class, which is a required course. I don't think my educational system was very liberal.
 

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Bluefire said:
You'd be surprised how many people don't and the lack of good education there is on this, depending on where you grew up and how "liberal" the school systems were.
I dont think school systems are liberal...
 

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Gandhi>Bush said:
If you're mother today sat you down and told her that she was raped, would you still want to be alive?
I don't really understand this argument because if I was never born, then I would obviously not grieve the fact that I didn't get to experience life. I don't think that the eggs in my ovaries are all consciously hoping to be fertilized.
 

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I know I'm coming in really late here! But I just wanted to say The baby should get a chance to live no matter if it was rape or incest! Just cause a baby has the chance to be deformed or have some disease is no reason to abort it! The baby still needs a chance to live! What if the baby wasnt gonna be deformed or anything like that then how would you feel knowing you aborted a perfectly ok baby ! The fact that people are so against abortion except in rape or incest is pretty hypocritical!
 

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Guitarchick54 said:
I know I'm coming in really late here! But I just wanted to say The baby should get a chance to live no matter if it was rape or incest! Just cause a baby has the chance to be deformed or have some disease is no reason to abort it! The baby still needs a chance to live! What if the baby wasnt gonna be deformed or anything like that then how would you feel knowing you aborted a perfectly ok baby ! The fact that people are so against abortion except in rape or incest is pretty hypocritical!

Okay darling do you not know what usually happens with girls that have babies with someone in their family? When babies that are conceived by two people in the same family most come out mentally retarded or with a trisomy. And in most of those cases the babies die soon after they are born, and they do not die a nice death, they go through a lot of pain and suffering, now you think that a baby that is going to suffer should be born and have to go through that? Not all babies will be like that, but why take the chance.

And again if YOU were raped and got pregnant would you want a constant reminder? Most girls can't handle it, and some can, some keep their children, some don't. That is fine if they can handle the baby and keep it and all is well. But what about the girls that can't handle the reminder? Rape already haunts a girl, why should she have more pain put on her? That should be her right to choose. It is NOT their fault that they got raped/ pregnant so do you think its fair that they should have to pay for something that they didn't want/ choose to do irresponsibly?

In the other cases where girls weren't raped- they were just being to irresponsible and not using protection, then they should have to deal with the consequences of their irresponsibleness.
 

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Courtneyx3 said:
Okay darling do you not know what usually happens with girls that have babies with someone in their family? When babies that are conceived by two people in the same family most come out mentally retarded or with a trisomy. And in most of those cases the babies die soon after they are born, and they do not die a nice death, they go through a lot of pain and suffering, now you think that a baby that is going to suffer should be born and have to go through that? Not all babies will be like that, but why take the chance.
Agreed.

And again if YOU were raped and got pregnant would you want a constant reminder? Most girls can't handle it, and some can, some keep their children, some don't. That is fine if they can handle the baby and keep it and all is well. But what about the girls that can't handle the reminder? Rape already haunts a girl, why should she have more pain put on her? That should be her right to choose. It is NOT their fault that they got raped/ pregnant so do you think its fair that they should have to pay for something that they didn't want/ choose to do irresponsibly?
I disagree here. I think while it is a horrible thing that the mother went through, it is still a life inside of her. I think she has every right to put it up for adoption as well as the right to keep it and raise it as her own and then one day that child could find out just how close she came to not ever existing. Generally just because of the connection that occurs when a woman becomes pregnant, she wouldn't have any scorn/malice for the child. And if she did there's always adoption.

Also, I don't have any moral problems with the morning after pill, so I think once that has been passed, then this situation could be better handled.

In the other cases where girls weren't raped- they were just being to irresponsible and not using protection, then they should have to deal with the consequences of their irresponsibleness.
Agreed.
 

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You wrote, "I don't have any moral problems..."

I am so happy you wrote that. Morals are very individualized. Your morals are not the same as the next person. If your morals say to you, "Do not have an abortion," then don't have one. If the next person's morals say, "Have an abortion," then she should have one. No one is going to anti-abortionists and saying, "You must have an abortion." So anti-abortionists should not go to anyone and tell them they cannot have one. What people always forget is that morals are inside each person and they dictate how that person lives. They are not meant to be imposed on anyone else.
 
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