Why Is ABC Lying About Trump's Stance On Pre-Existing Conditions?

[Lutherf]

Simply saying you want to do something isn’t proof you want to do it.

It is if you're a Democrat, or so we are told.

In this case we actually have the GOP replacement for Obamacare that was presented for a vote in 2017 and that McCain killed off. In that bill States that chose to have their own plan would have been required to have protected the ability of those with pre-existing conditions to be covered. The media, nearly as a singular entity, has lied about or flagrantly mischaracterized Trump's position on this subject.

 

[lwf]

Your first sentence is BS.

And do is your second. ABC lied, twice during this town hall.

If Trump has ever seriously lied, about policy intentions, please state the lie.

CNN has lied hundreds of times. And they have no authority to issue “fact-checks”.

I provided a link with a few of them. Here it is again:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...e-more-than-20000-false-or-misleading-claims/

You're welcome to peruse Trump's lies at your leisure with a simple google search.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

It is if you're a Democrat, or so we are told.

In this case we actually have the GOP replacement for Obamacare that was presented for a vote in 2017 and that McCain killed off. In that bill States that chose to have their own plan would have been required to have protected the ability of those with pre-existing conditions to be covered. The media, nearly as a singular entity, has lied about or flagrantly mischaracterized Trump's position on this subject.

I don’t now who told you that but they’re pretty stupid, and if you are listening to stupid people that’s just end user error.

Trump has no position on the subject other than to point to his pocket as though a heathcare plan is a deed to a house he can whip out at any time. Trump has sued to end pre-existing conditions with no plan to replace.

The problem for you, and the dumb people you spend too much time listening to, is that at no point was anyone under the belief the GOP has a healthcare plan, let alone one worth a damn. They do not believe in government subsidized healthcare. it is incompatible with their ideology. They lie about it because they know it’s popular.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I provided a link with a few of them. Here it is again:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...e-more-than-20000-false-or-misleading-claims/

You're welcome to peruse Trump's lies at your leisure with a simple google search.

Yes, we've seen the Heinrich Himmlers of the Amazon.Compost spew their hatred at the president for years.

"TRUMP SAID HE HAS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WIFE IN THE WORLD - LIAR!!!!"

But that you hate without reason wasn't the question, prove Trump opposed coverage for pre-existing conditions? ABC lied, you are compounding the lie.

 

[Threegoofs]

3Goofs, go back through the thread, educate yourself, and read the posts.

I have already covered all this.

When you join a thread late, you need to go back through and get some semblance of background on the discussion.

I’m pretty sure I’ve never been ‘educated’ by reading a single post of yours.

You don’t get health care, you don’t get the issue of preexisting conditions, you don’t get what socialism is.

That’s pretty clear.

 

[roguenuke]

???

Are you paying privately for healthcare, or is your employer paying for it?

Do you know how many Republicans have pre-existing conditions? They are completely in line with the Republican healthcare platform. And they will not allow Republican politicians to eliminate the pre-existing condition guarantee, or to create a situation in which people with pre-existing conditions, with limited income, could not afford treatment.

Both. Do you think employers pay all of your healthcare? And what about those who go into business for themselves or are laid off during a bad economy and find odd jobs type employment?

It costing more eliminates that guarantee.

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[ReubenSherr]

Both. Do you think employers pay all of your healthcare? And what about those who go into business for themselves or are laid off during a bad economy and find odd jobs type employment?

It costing more eliminates that guarantee.

All the ACA did was transfer the burden of everyone’s medical costs from the most needy to working class Americans who have to purchase their own insurance.

Those who are laid off and have to find odd jobs are the people who hurt most by the ACA. Premiums, deductibles, and co-pays are unaffordable to working class Americans without employer provided healthcare.

The debate is a week from today, Trump needs to spend a lot of time on healthcare, to clear all up all these misconceptions on the part of liberals who have no contact with conservatives or conservative media.

Liberals need to understand that half of us with pre-existing conditions are Republican. And that Republicans would not support a bill which wasn’t in everyone’s best interests.

 

[Lutherf]

I don’t now who told you that but they’re pretty stupid, and if you are listening to stupid people that’s just end user error.

Trump has no position on the subject other than to point to his pocket as though a heathcare plan is a deed to a house he can whip out at any time. Trump has sued to end pre-existing conditions with no plan to replace.

The problem for you, and the dumb people you spend too much time listening to, is that at no point was anyone under the belief the GOP has a healthcare plan, let alone one worth a damn. They do not believe in government subsidized healthcare. it is incompatible with their ideology. They lie about it because they know it’s popular.

You can find the bill here - https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1628

 

[Aunt Antifa]

You can find the bill here - https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1628

So can Trump. So can the GOP.

 

[Greenbeard]

Liberals need to understand that half of us with pre-existing conditions are Republican. And that Republicans would not support a bill which wasn’t in everyone’s best interests.

Republicans (other than the stooges in Congress) didn't support Trump's atrocious health care bill in 2017, precisely because of its broadside against people with pre-existing conditions! It was one of the most unpopular pieces of legislation of all time.

Let's remember how that played out.

March 2017: The GOP Health Care Bill Is Unpopular Even In Republican Districts
June 2017: Poll: Only 17% approve of Senate [GOP] health care bill
August 2018: Fox News poll: Voters like Obamacare more than GOP tax cuts
September 2018: Half of 2018’s Democratic campaign ads are about health care
October 2018: To Rally Voters, Democrats Focus on Health Care as Their Closing Argument
November 2018: Democrats won the House with the largest midterms margin of all time | Health care topped the economy as the biggest issue for voters

 

[roguenuke]

All the ACA did was transfer the burden of everyone’s medical costs from the most needy to working class Americans who have to purchase their own insurance.

Those who are laid off and have to find odd jobs are the people who hurt most by the ACA. Premiums, deductibles, and co-pays are unaffordable to working class Americans without employer provided healthcare.

The debate is a week from today, Trump needs to spend a lot of time on healthcare, to clear all up all these misconceptions on the part of liberals who have no contact with conservatives or conservative media.

Liberals need to understand that half of us with pre-existing conditions are Republican. And that Republicans would not support a bill which wasn’t in everyone’s best interests.

Almost all who didn't already qualify for Medicaid before Obamacare were working. Poor doesnt mean they don't work.

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[ReubenSherr]

Republicans (other than the stooges in Congress) didn't support Trump's atrocious health care bill in 2017, precisely because of its broadside against people with pre-existing conditions! It was one of the most unpopular pieces of legislation of all time.

Let's remember how that played out.

March 2017: The GOP Health Care Bill Is Unpopular Even In Republican Districts
June 2017: Poll: Only 17% approve of Senate [GOP] health care bill
August 2018: Fox News poll: Voters like Obamacare more than GOP tax cuts
September 2018: Half of 2018’s Democratic campaign ads are about health care
October 2018: To Rally Voters, Democrats Focus on Health Care as Their Closing Argument
November 2018: Democrats won the House with the largest midterms margin of all time | Health care topped the economy as the biggest issue for voters

Whoa there.

Please point out the link which establishes that the REASON the Bill was unpopular was because it “broadsided people with pre-existing conditions”.

Your first link mentioned nothing about pre-existing conditions anywhere in the article.

Remember, a CNN article established that the bill DID protect pre-existing conditions, I have already linked that article for you in a previous post.

 

[ReubenSherr]

Almost all who didn't already qualify for Medicaid before Obamacare were working. Poor doesnt mean they don't work.

The Republican argument is that IF people with pre-existing conditions are able to pay for their treatments, they need to. The cost of their treatment doesn’t magically disappear with socialized medicine. It gets shifted to the premiums, deductibles, and co-pays of working class Americans who have to buy their own insurance.

 

[Dittohead not!]

During an ABC Town Hall last week, George Stephanopoulous stated to Trump, "You've been trying to strike down pre-existing conditions," referring, apparently, to the fact that Trump, like nearly all Republicans, is trying to strike down the ACA.

The implication of the entire exchange was that Trump did not support a pre-existing condition guarantee, and that his intention was to eliminate any such guarantee in any future efforts at healthcare reform.

Trump has vocalized support for the pre-existing condition guarantee since the Republican Primary in 2016. As is proven in the following two video clips...





Why is ABC lying to the American public about Trump's position on the pre-existing condition guarantee?

Here's why:
Court battles place crucial coverage for preexisting conditions under fire

The Republicans in Congress have tried more than 60 times to repeal the Affordable Care Act. Even though the Republicans now claim to support the specific provision dealing with preexisting conditions, they have no replacement plan that will keep those key protections in place.

 

[Greenbeard]

Whoa there.

Please point out the link which establishes that the REASON the Bill was unpopular was because it “broadsided people with pre-existing conditions”.

Your first link mentioned nothing about pre-existing conditions anywhere in the article.

Why do you think Trump's bill was universally unpopular?

Remember, a CNN article established that the bill DID protect pre-existing conditions, I have already linked that article for you in a previous post.

Their bill does not protect pre-existing conditions in the absence of the ACA, and their legal strategy is to get rid of the ACA. Their game is quite clear.

 

[lurchadams]

During an ABC Town Hall last week, George Stephanopoulous stated to Trump, "You've been trying to strike down pre-existing conditions," referring, apparently, to the fact that Trump, like nearly all Republicans, is trying to strike down the ACA.

The implication of the entire exchange was that Trump did not support a pre-existing condition guarantee, and that his intention was to eliminate any such guarantee in any future efforts at healthcare reform.

Trump has vocalized support for the pre-existing condition guarantee since the Republican Primary in 2016. As is proven in the following two video clips...





Why is ABC lying to the American public about Trump's position on the pre-existing condition guarantee?

You are so adorable. trump tried to take the ACA down after the election with absolutely nothing to replace it. Anyone who thinks trump wants to protect any American from anything without it benefitting him directly is a ****ing idiot.

 

[ReubenSherr]

Here's why:
Court battles place crucial coverage for preexisting conditions under fire

Please go back and read the thread lol.

Republicans intend to repeal and replace, preserving the pre-existing condition guarantee.

As is evident by the fact that the 2017 bill preserved protection for pre-existing conditions.

The way to make healthcare more affordable is not to socialize everything, this simply transfers the financial burden of treatment to the working class.

The way to make healthcare more affordable is to pass legislation limiting the amount of profit that can be made by physicians, hospitals, and pharmaceutical companies.

 

[ReubenSherr]

You are so adorable. trump tried to take the ACA down after the election with absolutely nothing to replace it.

???

Did we hallucinate the 2017 bill?

Were Cruz and Rubio in on this plot as well?

 

[lurchadams]

Did any of you actually watch the Republican Primary in 2016?

Any of the debates?

All of this was covered, extensively.

I sincerely can't tell if you are purposely lying, or if you have sincerely been brainwashed by the liberal media for four years.

Okay then please tell us: When SCOTUS strikes down the ACA in the fall what's trump's plan to offer any previously covered American any coverage at all?

 

[lurchadams]

???

Did we hallucinate the 2017 bill?

Were Cruz and Rubio in on this plot as well?

I have no idea what you're talking about and I suspect neither do you.

 

[ReubenSherr]

Their bill does not protect pre-existing conditions in the absence of the ACA, and their legal strategy is to get rid of the ACA. Their game is quite clear.

Greenbeard, this is a lie.

I linked the CNN article for you multiple times, establishing that pre-existing conditions were protected in the 2017 bill.

 

[ReubenSherr]

I have no idea what you're talking about and I suspect neither do you.

Read Post 93. It was yours.

You posted that Trump tried to take down the ACA with “nothing to replace it.”

 

[Greenbeard]

Greenbeard, this is a lie.

I linked the CNN article for you multiple times, establishing that pre-existing conditions were protected in the 2017 bill.

I've read the bill. It does not reinstate guaranteed issue rules if the ACA and its guaranteed issue rules are eliminated. The GOP plan is to ask the SCOTUS to eliminate the ACA and its guaranteed issue rules. They've already done that in writing, they'll do it out loud on November 10.

Ergo, the GOP plan is for there to be no guaranteed issue rules. Pre-existing conditions are not protected by the GOP. Any statement otherwise that assumes the ACA is there to protect people is absurdly disingenuous.

 

[ReubenSherr]

Okay then please tell us: When SCOTUS strikes down the ACA in the fall what's trump's plan to offer any previously covered American any coverage at all?

SCOTUS will not strike down the ACA until the spring.

Seriously, can you all please read through the thread before you post, I’m repeating the same points over and over lol.

 

[ReubenSherr]

I've read the bill. It does not reinstate guaranteed issue rules if the ACA and its guaranteed issue rules are eliminated.

The CNN article contradicts your statement. Along with everything Trump, Cruz, Rubio, and others have said for years.

If you want me to believe you over CNN, please state how CNN misinterpreted the bill.