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Why have Immigration Laws? Non-Inforcement. (1 Viewer)

chesswarsnow

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Sorry bout that,

1. (LA's) If we American's have laws in place to prevent other peoples from cheating to get here, and sneaking in, which is a fact, why not do away with all immigration laws if we are not going to enforce them?
2. ("-") If We the People, the American's have no say in this matter, and it's all up to the politicians, (duly elected) and they don't agree with We the People, so they are not representing the We the People properly, then why don't We the People do away with those who are not enforcing the American Law's.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas
 
I agree....to a certain extent. I think that the focus should not be on immigration laws but on fixing other aspects of our social programs.
America has always been a land of immigrants and although I can definitely see the problem of "open borders" I think our focus is being misdirected.

Personally, I don't have a problem with anyone who wants to come to this country to work. There are way too many people in this country that aren't willing to work and are just looking for government handouts.

People complain about all the "illegals" going down to New Orleans to get construction jobs. I say, hey, they are aggressively looking for the opportunity to work - why is this a bad thing?

Of course, we should focus on things like ensuring that corporations don't take advantage of the willingness of people to work for peanuts because this drives down wages for everyone. Corporate America is far too willing to pay less for people who are willing to work for less (Thus the out-sourcing of American jobs), but we can ensure that there are laws to prevent this (minimum wage and punish corporations who outsource jobs via tariffs).

We should redirect our focus by limiting the amount of government handouts (Wow...did I just say that. I'm a "liberal" and most people would probably not "expect" that...).
Of course, this would cause us to take a second look at things like child-care because in too many cases financially a person can make more money on welfare than they can by going to work once childcare is factored in. So we need to change the system so this isn't the case.

Its not an easy issue. But the bottom line is this. Are people concerned about immigration because of skin color or are they legitimately concerned about immigration because of economic issues. If its strictly economic issues, I think our focus is misdirected.
 
1. (LA's) If we American's have laws in place to prevent other peoples from cheating to get here, and sneaking in, which is a fact, why not do away with all immigration laws if we are not going to enforce them?
2. ("-") If We the People, the American's have no say in this matter, and it's all up to the politicians, (duly elected) and they don't agree with We the People, so they are not representing the We the People properly, then why don't We the People do away with those who are not enforcing the American Law's.
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This would be one of the cause of the current attempt to reform. http://debatepolitics.com/showthread.php?p=281546#post281546

disneydude said:
Of course, we should focus on things like ensuring that corporations don't take advantage of the willingness of people to work for peanuts because this drives down wages for everyone. Corporate America is far too willing to pay less for people who are willing to work for less (Thus the out-sourcing of American jobs), but we can ensure that there are laws to prevent this (minimum wage and punish corporations who outsource jobs via tariffs).

We should redirect our focus by limiting the amount of government handouts (Wow...did I just say that. I'm a "liberal" and most people would probably not "expect" that...).
Of course, this would cause us to take a second look at things like child-care because in too many cases financially a person can make more money on welfare than they can by going to work once childcare is factored in. So we need to change the system so this isn't the case.
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I agree.
 
Sorry bout that,

1. Firstly and foremostly these Mexicans and others south of the border are our brothers.
2. Secondly, many are here by theft.
3. They stole their way into our country.
4. Many take advantage of our Social Services.10's of thousands. Untold #.
5. Unless congress deals with this simple issue, its null and void on immigration.
6. Sure we need the workers, but also in comparison workers are available all over the planet. Philippines for one. I see more assimilation from people of the Philippines as well.
7. We the People could not find this in the United States of America, not United States of Mexico, Constitution.
8. Its unlawful what the congress has signed off on.
9. The devils isn't in the details, its the whole idea and plan of what they are voting to do on immigration as of this message.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas
 
Chess:

Dude....am I the only one having trouble deciphering your posts. I have read a number of your posts and although I can understand about 75% of what you are saying, some of it is cryptic. I don't get the numbering system that doesn't really apply to anything.
Don't take it personally....I am not trying to attack you, I am trying to understand you.
Am I the only person having this problem????
 
disneydude said:
Chess:

Dude....am I the only one having trouble deciphering your posts. I have read a number of your posts and although I can understand about 75% of what you are saying, some of it is cryptic. I don't get the numbering system that doesn't really apply to anything.
Don't take it personally....I am not trying to attack you, I am trying to understand you.
Am I the only person having this problem????
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1. Yes.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas
 
disneydude said:
Chess:

Dude....am I the only one having trouble deciphering your posts. I have read a number of your posts and although I can understand about 75% of what you are saying, some of it is cryptic. I don't get the numbering system that doesn't really apply to anything.
Don't take it personally....I am not trying to attack you, I am trying to understand you.
Am I the only person having this problem????
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No, he just needs to start adding reasoning to his claims.
 
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Lets ask,

1. If we have a law we don't enforce, then its not really a law.
2. If bates others to do the same.
3. All free, why wouldn't they come?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas
 
chesswarsnow said:
Lets ask,

1. If we have a law we don't enforce, then its not really a law.
2. If bates others to do the same.
3. All free, why wouldn't they come?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas
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Oh it's still a law, let's not get too dramatic. It's just not a very good one :D We should make some laws that are enforceable, and some other reform.
 
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