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Why has Japan not asked for forgiveness for WWII?

Why has Japan not asked for forgiveness for WWII


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When the USA beat Spain and acquired an Empire (Cuba, Philippines, etc) they did not go around slaughtering the people, raping them and making them slaves... Instead of trying to justify war crimes you might reconsider and perhaps condemn them.
It's not a justification of any such thing. Just stating that it didn't really have that much to do with how and why we ended up going to war with Japan as we would like to think or believe that it did. In that respect your Philippines comparison is irrelevant.
 
The Japanese population being “really aroused” at that point is totally irrelevant since they had no say whatsoever in how Japan was run.

What, were they going to fly their planes into American ships twice?
There is no denying the Emperor was key in the aftermath of the surrender. The cathartic impact of the emperor's words allowed the public to embrace the once alien concept of defeat. His words were also necessary in forcing a consensus between the political and military elite, some of whom were still determined to fight to the bitter end.
 
You wanting the US to drop the weapon far away from anything the Japanese government cares about— aka the middle of nowhere— would not cause the Japanese to surrender. Their war effort had been futile for three years by 1945.

People gleefully loading up pilots to crash into American ships aren’t going to be forced to surrendered by a big explosion far off in the middle of the ocean. It’s nothing more than wishful thinking on your part.

The fact that they did surrender proves that overwhelming and unstoppable force was something capable of making them choose to surrender.

The casualty count is not what made them surrender. You've proven that already yourself.
 
"Excuse me nukes aren't the only war crime we committed" isn't the slam dunk you think it is.




So now you're trying to establish that it's always ok to kill unarmed civilians.
Yikes


Listen man, talk like a terrorist and that's the comparison that's going to get made. They're the sort of people who think civilians are legitimate targets and attacking them is justified.
And he thinks he's on higher moral ground than anyone else here, go figure. :rolleyes:
 
The fact that they did surrender proves that overwhelming and unstoppable force was something capable of making them choose to surrender.

The casualty count is not what made them surrender. You've proven that already yourself.

There was a coup attempt to try and continue the war even AFTER both cities were nuked.


So no, it’s very clear that anything less would not have produced the desired result.
 
You can drop the nuke on a military target not surrounded by civilians. We already went over this.

Or, yes, you actually can drop such a bomb in the middle of nowhere. Demonstrate its power, and the futility of resisting.
While that was actually discussed it was decided not to arrange such a demonstration. Because the weapon was still unproven in respect in method of delivery. There was still a fairly good chance that it might fail to detonate or the detonation might fall well short of expectation. It was decided they couldn't chance the spectre of such a failure.
 
If your reading comprehension was better you would understand that it was not a defense of Japanese atrocities but rather an explanation that they were not a focal point, or even a driver of American deeds and policy towards China and Japan in lead up to war with Japan. We had other interests to protect. I'm arguing this from a factual historical standpoint, not an emotional one. Sorry if that doesn't fully comport to your view of the world. That is just simply the factual history of how things were back then.
Your posts on this subject are almost laughable...
 
It's possible to drop a nuke on a military target that not also surrounded by civilians. Did this... not ever occur to you?
Dude, we get it. You don't like the idea of civilians being killed in war. Guess what... none of us do either.


@Tigerace117
 
Dude, we get it. You don't like the idea of civilians being killed in war. Guess what... none of us do either.


@Tigerace117

Says the guy who tried to blame civilians for having a nuke dropped on them.
 
If your reading comprehension was better you would understand that it was not a defense of Japanese atrocities but rather an explanation that they were not a focal point, or even a driver of American deeds and policy towards China and Japan in lead up to war with Japan. We had other interests to protect. I'm arguing this from a factual historical standpoint, not an emotional one. Sorry if that doesn't fully comport to your view of the world. That is just simply the factual history of how things were back then.

All we did to Japan before the war was to place sanctions on them for the Japanese atrocities in China and Korea, etc.

We have sanctions on Russia right at this moment. China, North Korea, Syria, Iran and other countries.

You're saying these countries would be justified in bombing Pearl Harbor because of our sanctions?
 
"Excuse me nukes aren't the only war crime we committed" isn't the slam dunk you think it is.
Dropping nukes was not a war crime and neither were the bombings of cities in Japan and Germany.
So now you're trying to establish that it's always ok to kill unarmed civilians.
Yikes
If that is the level of your reading comprehension... YIKES!!
Listen man, talk like a terrorist and that's the comparison that's going to get made.
Not quite as biting an insult as you might have thought it was gonna be... LOL
They're the sort of people who think civilians are legitimate targets and attacking them is justified.
I never said that civilians are a legitimate target. You are free to lie and cry all you like though... sitting back, 75 years later and arrogantly Monday Morning Quarterback it safe in the freedoms that those soldiers and politicians protected for you is your right. Unfortunately, you are engaging in it.
Says the guy who tried to blame civilians for having a nuke dropped on them.
Never did that... but please post more lies.
 
All we did to Japan before the war was to place sanctions on them for the Japanese atrocities in China and Korea, etc.

We have sanctions on Russia right at this moment. China, North Korea, Syria, Iran and other countries.

You're saying these countries would be justified in bombing Pearl Harbor because of our sanctions?
Unfortunately, @Atomic Kid and far too many others think that not giving a kid their daily apple when they have been beating up the neighbor kids is justification for that bully to turn around and punch you in the face.
 
Dropping nukes was not a war crime and neither were the bombings of cities in Japan and Germany.

If that is the level of your reading comprehension... YIKES!!

Not quite as biting an insult as you might have thought it was gonna be... LOL

I never said that civilians are a legitimate target. You are free to lie and cry all you like though... sitting back, 75 years later and arrogantly Monday Morning Quarterback it safe in the freedoms that those soldiers and politicians protected for you is your right. Unfortunately, you are engaging in it.

Never did that... but please post more lies.

Not a legitimate target but dropping a nuclear weapon in a city because it also contains military assets is acceptable. Also they're responsible for what their government is doing, and their government's actions are why we're bombing in the first place.
 
Bud, “surgical strikes” as we have today essentially didn’t exist in the 1940s. Whenever you are throwing around high explosives there’s going to be a high risk of collateral damage. Does it suck? Yes. Is it better than the alternative, which is a hundred thousand POWs being murdered by Japanese troops as the Allies storm ashore to face civilians forcibly conscripted and sent at Sherman tanks with bamboo spears?

Also yes.
Do you know why we resorted to firebombing? Because the jetstream over Japan rendered the B29's high altitude bombing efficiency and accuracy all but useless, as it made hitting their targets with any sort of effectiveness practically impossible. Then someone noted that 60 to 75 percent of the structures in Japanese cities such as Tokyo were constructed from wood. So a Dresden like attack could be highly effective in such a setting. The results of the spectacular destruction of the low level firebombing of Tokyo encouraged General Lemay to adopt that same tactic in cities all across Japan. They couched it in terms destroying military or war production targets but really they were almost entirely concentrated on the population centers of those cities. They were looking kill as many 'workers (civilians) as possible and break the will of the Japanese people. The atomic attacks were a continuation of that strategy
Acceptable? I do. For that technological time period and the manner in which the Japanese were conducting the savage and genocidal war.

The nukes were even better and more effective... Think of the perhaps million lives that might have been saved if we had the nukes earlier...
The atomic bombs were used as soon as they became available. The atomic bombs in terms of the destruction and death they wrought were similar to firebombing. They were just a heck of a lot more efficient as one bomb from one plane could do the same amount of damage as hundreds of planes. Think if the language of Potsdam declaration allowing the Emperor remain as their sovereign had been left in. Maybe it wouldn't have happened at all. Although there is a part of me that believes that a massive state project committing huge amounts resources, money and effort such as the Manhattan Project that produced the bomb, probably made its use too irresistible.
 
Unfortunately, @Atomic Kid and far too many others think that not giving a kid their daily apple when they have been beating up the neighbor kids is justification for that bully to turn around and punch you in the face.
LOL! The problem was that we didn't think this particular kid was even capable of being able to punch us in the face.
 
All we did to Japan before the war was to place sanctions on them for the Japanese atrocities in China and Korea, etc.

We have sanctions on Russia right at this moment. China, North Korea, Syria, Iran and other countries.

You're saying these countries would be justified in bombing Pearl Harbor because of our sanctions?
Not why we placed an oil embargo, moved bombers to the Philippines and our Pacific fleet to Hawaii at all. It was dissuade and curtail Japan's aggressive expansion in Asia until such time to be able to deal with them later. Our concentration was on Europe and Germany.
 
Not a legitimate target but dropping a nuclear weapon in a city because it also contains military assets is acceptable. Also they're responsible for what their government is doing, and their government's actions are why we're bombing in the first place.
Are you okay?
 
Not why we placed an oil embargo, moved bombers to the Philippines and our Pacific fleet to Hawaii at all. It was dissuade and curtail Japan's aggressive expansion in Asia until such time to be able to deal with them later. Our concentration was on Europe and Germany.

There can be more than one reason for something.

Japan was definitely going to try to take American territory. And they did.


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LOL! The problem was that we didn't think this particular kid was even capable of being able to punch us in the face.
Sure. LOL. They only had taken over half of China.
Then prove them wrong.
The point is that you didn't prove anything in the first place.
Not why we placed an oil embargo, moved bombers to the Philippines and our Pacific fleet to Hawaii at all. It was dissuade and curtail Japan's aggressive expansion in Asia until such time to be able to deal with them later. Our concentration was on Europe and Germany.
So what?
 
Whoah dude, calm down. Why are you screaming obscenities at your monitor? Nobody else is even in the room.
Because I can.
 
Do you know why we resorted to firebombing? Because the jetstream over Japan rendered the B29's high altitude bombing efficiency and accuracy all but useless, as it made hitting their targets with any sort of effectiveness practically impossible. Then someone noted that 60 to 75 percent of the structures in Japanese cities such as Tokyo were constructed from wood. So a Dresden like attack could be highly effective in such a setting. The results of the spectacular destruction of the low level firebombing of Tokyo encouraged General Lemay to adopt that same tactic in cities all across Japan. They couched it in terms destroying military or war production targets but really they were almost entirely concentrated on the population centers of those cities. They were looking kill as many 'workers (civilians) as possible and break the will of the Japanese people. The atomic attacks were a continuation of that strategy

The atomic bombs were used as soon as they became available. The atomic bombs in terms of the destruction and death they wrought were similar to firebombing. They were just a heck of a lot more efficient as one bomb from one plane could do the same amount of damage as hundreds of planes. Think if the language of Potsdam declaration allowing the Emperor remain as their sovereign had been left in. Maybe it wouldn't have happened at all. Although there is a part of me that believes that a massive state project committing huge amounts resources, money and effort such as the Manhattan Project that produced the bomb, probably made its use too irresistible.

.....which doesn’t change my point that the accuracy of World War Two aerial bombardment was not particularly good. Japanese cities had already been bombed before at that point....on a number of occasions. Which is why such incredible damage coming from a single bomber, rather than a mass of them, was so psychologically devastating, and ultimately compelled them to surrender.
 
At this late date, why should they? First, the ones who caused WWII and Japanese expansion are probably all dead. Those alive today had nothing to do with WWII or their initial invasion of China or their attack on Pearl Harbor. It would be like blaming and holding the son and grandsons responsible for his father's transgressions which the son and grandson being completely innocent.

Second, we had war crimes trials after WWII to take care of those most responsible. Besides, it over with. Ancient history. High past time to move on and confront the world as it is today and not as it was back during WWII.
First be cause taking responsibility for past actions is important for healing. Second because although most of the original actors are dead, their children and grandchildren of the victims are not, and that kind of trauma transcends generations. Third because, for political reasons, Japan was never forced to publicly acknowledge and take responsibility for its' crimes as Germany was.
 
Do you know why we resorted to firebombing? Because the jetstream over Japan rendered the B29's high altitude bombing efficiency and accuracy all but useless, as it made hitting their targets with any sort of effectiveness practically impossible. Then someone noted that 60 to 75 percent of the structures in Japanese cities such as Tokyo were constructed from wood. So a Dresden like attack could be highly effective in such a setting. The results of the spectacular destruction of the low level firebombing of Tokyo encouraged General Lemay to adopt that same tactic in cities all across Japan. They couched it in terms destroying military or war production targets but really they were almost entirely concentrated on the population centers of those cities. They were looking kill as many 'workers (civilians) as possible and break the will of the Japanese people. The atomic attacks were a continuation of that strategy

The atomic bombs were used as soon as they became available. The atomic bombs in terms of the destruction and death they wrought were similar to firebombing. They were just a heck of a lot more efficient as one bomb from one plane could do the same amount of damage as hundreds of planes. Think if the language of Potsdam declaration allowing the Emperor remain as their sovereign had been left in. Maybe it wouldn't have happened at all. Although there is a part of me that believes that a massive state project committing huge amounts resources, money and effort such as the Manhattan Project that produced the bomb, probably made its use too irresistible.


"Because the jetstream over Japan rendered the B29's high altitude bombing efficiency and accuracy all but useless"


No link or nothing. You're just making this crap up, aren't you?


Japanese buildings were mostly of wood construction. Incendiaries were the way to go, and incendiaries are best dropped at low altitudes.


"jet stream"


lol


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