Why go for prostitutes

[Jerry]

Whoever wrote this is woefully ignorant of so much about prostitution and especially about BDSM. For every sadist out there, there's at least 1, if not more, masochists seeking THEM out. And, not many of them use prostitution as a means of finding likeminded people. Millions of them use online 'dating' sites specifically designed for it where they don't have to pay anyone anything. The masochists are eager to hook up with the sadists, they're actively seeking them out.

There are any number of reasons why men choose to go to a prostitute. But most often, it's just because they tire of the BS games that many women require before they'll sleep with them. The clients are honest about what they want, and I hold them in MUCH higher regard than men who "woo" women to get the same thing from them, or buy them with gifts, dinners, etc.

There's nothing wrong with a man, or woman, knowing exactly what they want and going about getting it in the easiest, less stressful way possible.

Without a source, everything in your post is "because I say so", and is therefore irrelevant.

 

[Jerry]

Um, he asked about why guys pay prostitutes for sex, not about necrophiliacs, sadists, and pedophiles.

Evidence sugests that the avarage John is a necrophile, sadist, pedifile or other mental case.

My guess is two-fold:

1. some guys are so insecure and socially inept that they want a "sure thing", and perceive a prostitute to be such.

2. because of the mystique/taboo that the media, the entertainment industry, and our entire culture has woven around the issue of sex work, some guys simply want to meet a real prostitute and have that experience, out of curiosity to see what women who sell sex for money are like.

and possibly a little of this:

3. A guy wants a sexual service that's a little bit unconventional/risque (whether that be S&M or some sort of fetish or whatever), and is embarrassed to ask any woman he knows or is likely to see again socially.

Frankly, I think our best bet for understanding this is to defer to the woman on this thread who has actually worked in the sex industry (which would be Rivrrat), or else the one who has a close friend who has (which would be Kelzie). Both of whom, I should add, seem to be alive, kickin', and in good spirits, having apparently avoided being strangled by a pimp, molested by a necrophiliac sadist, or falling victim to the myriad other dire and fatal hazards Jerry keeps insisting are inherent in the profession.

It's a fine guess to be sure, but it remains just a guess; an unqualified, unsubstantiated guess. Nothing more.

 

[rivrrat]

Without a source, everything in your post is "because I say so", and is therefore irrelevant.

Which part, hon? The part about the BDSM folks? Why don't you go check out a site I'm a member of called alt.com (not work safe). Over 3 million members who are sadists and masochists to some degree. Seeking each other out. Imagine that. There's another site I'm a member of called bondage.com, but it's more bondage related than sadism/masochism.

As for the reasons men go to prostitutes... Gee, I'm afraid I don't have a link that details why men engage in this illegal activity. Perhaps it's because the men who egage in it really don't want anyone to know about. However, I do believe that the word of someone who has actually worked in the industry vs the word of some no-name person on the web who is just hypothesizing and really has no fricken clue what he's talking about... mine will come out the as being the more down to earth answer.

And my last statement, about there being nothing wrong with just wanting to have sex is obviously an opinion. You are, of course, free to disagree with that opinion, but you are not free to tell me that my opinion is irrelevant.

 

[WI Crippler]

Which part, hon? The part about the BDSM folks? Why don't you go check out a site I'm a member of called alt.com (not work safe). Over 3 million members who are sadists and masochists to some degree. Seeking each other out. Imagine that. There's another site I'm a member of called bondage.com, but it's more bondage related than sadism/masochism.

Wow, you a kinky little thing huh?? I don't think I could go for bondage myself. I need space to work my magic

As for the reasons men go to prostitutes... Gee, I'm afraid I don't have a link that details why men engage in this illegal activity. Perhaps it's because the men who egage in it really don't want anyone to know about. However, I do believe that the word of someone who has actually worked in the industry vs the word of some no-name person on the web who is just hypothesizing and really has no fricken clue what he's talking about... mine will come out the as being the more down to earth answer.

I have said this before, you don't pay for the sex, you are paying for her to leave right after.

 

[rivrrat]

Wow, you a kinky little thing huh?? I don't think I could go for bondage myself. I need space to work my magic

LOL Yes, yes I am.

But you should try it sometime... it can be fun to be at the complete mercy of someone else. Or... to be the one they're at the mercy of... whichever way you prefer.

I have said this before, you don't pay for the sex, you are paying for her to leave right after.

Exactly! hehe

 

[Jerry]

Which part, hon? The part about the BDSM folks? Why don't you go check out a site I'm a member of called alt.com (not work safe). Over 3 million members who are sadists and masochists to some degree. Seeking each other out. Imagine that. There's another site I'm a member of called bondage.com, but it's more bondage related than sadism/masochism.

As for the reasons men go to prostitutes... Gee, I'm afraid I don't have a link that details why men engage in this illegal activity. Perhaps it's because the men who egage in it really don't want anyone to know about. However, I do believe that the word of someone who has actually worked in the industry vs the word of some no-name person on the web who is just hypothesizing and really has no fricken clue what he's talking about... mine will come out the as being the more down to earth answer.

And my last statement, about there being nothing wrong with just wanting to have sex is obviously an opinion. You are, of course, free to disagree with that opinion, but you are not free to tell me that my opinion is irrelevant.

Not 'work-safe' = not 'home-safe', as I have small children running around when I post from home.

Not 'work-safe' = 'not-school safe', and I'm currently on a state computer. Accessing a site with "offensive" material could land me in Academic Probation, which wouldn't go over very well with my Army recruiter either.

I suggest that instead of referencing sites with "offensive material" you reference non-bias studies and similar.

As for taking my word for it, please note that since we began our True Debate I have not said one thing of my own authority. I have not given a word of my own for anyone to take or reject.

You argue against the facts in Sweden and the Netherlands, not my say-so.

 

[rivrrat]

I suggest that instead of referencing sites with "offensive material" you reference non-bias studies and similar.

1) I don't consider it offensive. Obviously that's subjective.
2) You attempted to discredit my statement that for every sadist there is a masochist actively seeking them out. And my statement that there are websites where they seek each other out, millions of them. YOU asked for links, I gave you the link to one such site. It's a site where sadists and masochists seek one another out, which completely and totally justifies my statement and you call it "biased"? what the hell?

As for taking my word for it, please note that since we began our True Debate I have not said one thing of my own authority. I have not given a word of my own for anyone to take or reject.

You argue against the facts in Sweden and the Netherlands, not my say-so.

I argue against the assumptions made by people who do not know of what they speak. I argue against the "armchair quarterbacks". Your links from sweden and the netherlands proved absolutely nothing. Your entire argument against prostitution is not against prostitution at all but against rape, abuse, and enslavement... something I agree with you on. Those crimes are bad when they happen to anyone, regardless of their profession (and they happen to people of all professions). I agree with you there. Where we disagree is that you seem to attribute those crimes to prostitution where I more appropriately attribute those crimes to the *******s who commit them.

Moreover, I argue against something that flies in the face of what I *know* to be the truth and the reality. Because I actually lived it, as did dozens of women I knew personally, as have thousands of women who tell the same story I do.

 

[Jerry]

1) I don't consider it offensive. Obviously that's subjective.

Indeed it is subjective; it is subjective to the rules against sexual harassment which I had to agree to comply with during my enrolment.

2) You attempted to discredit my statement that for every sadist there is a masochist actively seeking them out. And my statement that there are websites where they seek each other out, millions of them. YOU asked for links, I gave you the link to one such site. It's a site where sadists and masochists seek one another out, which completely and totally justifies my statement and you call it "biased"? what the hell?

That's right, it would be a bias source.
Such a site is partial to sadists and masochists, so it isn't even worth a look to see if it backs up your 1:1 ratio.

I argue against the assumptions made by people who do not know of what they speak. I argue against the "armchair quarterbacks". Your links from sweden and the netherlands proved absolutely nothing. Your entire argument against prostitution is not against prostitution at all but against rape, abuse, and enslavement... something I agree with you on. Those crimes are bad when they happen to anyone, regardless of their profession (and they happen to people of all professions). I agree with you there. Where we disagree is that you seem to attribute those crimes to prostitution where I more appropriately attribute those crimes to the *******s who commit them.

I had made the case that legalizing the commercial sale of sex greatly increases those crime which we agree are deplorable, yet all you can come back at me with is "nu-uhh, 'cuz that didn't happen to me".

You are an Unrepresentative Sample of all the people in the world who are involved in selling sex. You are not but one person who's identity and past can not be determined in an online discussion. Your experiences are only relevant in matters of opinion, one on one counseling or in assisting you in finding non-bias studies to present to people who do not know you who you would convince of your position.

Moreover, I argue against something that flies in the face of what I *know* to be the truth and the reality. Because I actually lived it, as did dozens of women I knew personally, as have thousands of women who tell the same story I do.

I don't know that you know that, though; and I'm not contesting your experience either.

Your experience is subject to you, not the greater global population.

 

[rivrrat]

Indeed it is subjective; it is subjective to the rules against sexual harassment which I had to agree to comply with during my enrolment.

huh?

That's right, it would be a bias source.
Such a site is partial to sadists and masochists, so it isn't even worth a look to see if it backs up your 1:1 ratio.

ROFLMAO

You wanted a link to prove that sadists and masochists seek each other out. I provide you with a link to a site where sadists and masochists seek each other out.

What the HELL better link could I *possibly* provide? A link to a site that just says there are sites where sadists and masochists seek each other out? LMFAO You're a riot. Yeah sure... I'll see if I can find a "reputable" site somewhere that says there are sites where folks interested in BDSM seek each other out. :roll:

I had made the case that legalizing the commercial sale of sex greatly increases those crime which we agree are deplorable, yet all you can come back at me with is "nu-uhh, 'cuz that didn't happen to me".

No, I said the illegality of prostitution is what allows such conditions to exist. You did not, in any way shape or form, prove that incorrect.

You are an Unrepresentative Sample of all the people in the world who are involved in selling sex. You are not but one person who's identity and past can not be determined in an online discussion. Your experiences are only relevant in matters of opinion, one on one counseling or in assisting you in finding non-bias studies to present to people who do not know you who you would convince of your position.

I link you to sites where women with experience in prostitution say the same things I do. You link to sites where people just *talk* to some women in prostitution and somehow their conclusions... based on the *experiences* of an unrepresented sample of prostitutes who's experiences are subjective are just dandy.

So, using experience as a tool is just fine as long as it supports your case, eh? But when it goes against your case, it's biased, subjective, and unrepresentative? Awesome, i'll have to remember that in future debates.

I don't know that you know that, though; and I'm not contesting your experience either.

Your experience is subject to you, not the greater global population.

I don't speak only from my experiences, but the thousands of other women who have had the same or similar.

 

[Voidwar]

Evidence sugests that the avarage John is a necrophile, sadist, pedifile or other mental case.

I doubt you could provide anything remotely convincing as proof of this ludicrous sweeping generalization.

Even if you could, I wouldn't believe it and here's why :

Guess what, the "Average John" does not get caught, by the cops or by idiot survey takers with clipboards.

 

[Jerry]

huh?

I told you that I am posting from a state owned computer. I am posting from school. During my enrolment I was required to agree to various sexual harassment regulations, one of which is to not view "offensive material" on any school computer.

If I were to check your source, I would be in violation of that sexual harassment policy and if caught would be placed on academic probation for a semester.

So when you say that the term "offensive material" is subjective, rather you personally think it is "offensive" or not is irrelevant because my viewing of your source would by a violation of the campus sexual harassment rules I agreed to follow.

ROFLMAO

You wanted a link to prove that sadists and masochists seek each other out. I provide you with a link to a site where sadists and masochists seek each other out.

I did not contest the notion that sadists and masochists seek each other out, I wanted a source on your 1:1 ratio.

No, I said the illegality of prostitution is what allows such conditions to exist. You did not, in any way shape or form, prove that incorrect.

I did exactly that, actually, in my examples with the Netherlands and Sweden, yet you have yet to provide any source to back up the notion that legalization solves any of these problems.

I link you to sites where women with experience in prostitution say the same things I do. You link to sites where people just *talk* to some women in prostitution and somehow their conclusions... based on the *experiences* of an unrepresented sample of prostitutes who's experiences are subjective are just dandy.

So, using experience as a tool is just fine as long as it supports your case, eh? But when it goes against your case, it's biased, subjective, and unrepresentative? Awesome, i'll have to remember that in future debates.

You're making false accusations here which are leading you to more false conclusions.

I don't speak only from my experiences, but the thousands of other women who have had the same or similar.

Source them with a link, or you have nothing.

 

[Jerry]

I doubt you could provide anything remotely convincing as proof of this ludicrous sweeping generalization.

Even if you could, I wouldn't believe it and here's why :

Guess what, the "Average John" does not get caught, by the cops or by idiot survey takers with clipboards.

Heh, if I provide you with evidence then you would not be agreeing or disagreeing with me, but the evidence; and you just said that you would not agree with any evidence I could provide anyway, which evidences a bias on your part.

What would be the point then in even trying to give you such evidence?

 

[1069]

Source them with a link, or you have nothing.

Look Jerry, I haven't even put in my 2 cents here, but suffice it to say I've known numerous women in the adult entertainment industry, primarily strippers, who were not averse to doing occasional "private shows" for regulars.
Their experiences more or less parallel Riverrat's (minus the White House invites and offers of cars, but then again, they were semi-pros at best).
They did not consider themselves "prostitutes"; if they had, they wouldn't have bothered showing up for their shifts at the bar every night, or enduring the drudgery and occasional unpleasantness that such a job entailed; they considered themselves "dancers", who- when opportunity knocked, occasionally opened the door.
I'll bet if you weren't married and some halfway decent-looking woman offered you a thousand dollars to have sex, you might consider it as well. Dancers, because of their occupation, are frequent recipients of such offers. Some never consider them (esp. those who are married or in monogamous relationships). Others consider such offers, but are too afraid to accept them, or have some moral qualm against it. Fine. Others never consider them at all, and categorically refuse any and all such propositions without a second thought. Fine. And some of them- this is very sad- fail to make any other plans for their lives, and when they start to get old and can't compete with 18-year-olds anymore, find themselves slipping deeper and deeper into prostitution (often coupled with alcohol or drug abuse). Women like that might well end up standing on a street corner one day... but that's rock bottom, and there are several (more like nine or ten) layers they have to sink through before ending up there. At any given time, they have opportunities to reverse the decline. At any time, there's a possibility that someone who cares may step in and save them. Some women in the sex industry seek rock bottom for the same reason that some drug-users do: because that's where they want to be. Because they made a conscious choice not to reverse their decline or accept any one of the numerous alternatives which presented themselves on the way down.
But many more do it for awhile, use the money to pay off some credit card debt or student loan, and then go on their merry ways with nary a backward glance: utterly unscathed, and with a good story to talk about at parties.

So, yeah. I believe Kelzie, and I believe Rivrrat.
I understand that women are severely victimized by sexual commerce in developing countries and less enlightened cultures, where it is not uncommon for women and children to be forced into it against their will, and where the police and other authorities are corrupt and possibly even active participants or beneficiaries of this industry, and so women and children who are being victimized or enslaved have no recourse.
But that's not the case in America, or anywhere in the West.

You could look in the yellow pages and call an escort service right now, and they'd send a prostitute to your house.
You could ask her about her "pimp" and she'd probably laugh in your face. If you persisted in asking her weird questions, she'd probably tell you to p!ss off, and leave (with your money). If you tried to stop her, she'd either call her driver in to flatten you, or- if she were alone- simply call the police.
Her driver wouldn't be a "pimp", although you might presume so; he's more than likely either a friend, boyfriend or husband (if she works independently) or an employee of the agency/service, the same as she is (if she works for a business).

There are actually a lot of links Rivrrat could post, because a lot of prostitutes have blogs now where they talk about the details of their daily lives; it's become a big new trend. Not one that I've ever read refers to being enslaved, abused, having a "pimp" of any sort, etc.

I don't know what life is like for street level prostitutes, because I've never known one personally, and presumably they don't have internet access, so they don't blog. I'm sure it sucks as much as life does for any homeless, drug-addicted man or woman.
But the sex industry in America is a multi-billion dollar a year industry, and yes- occasionally, women simply choose, of their own accord, to reach out and pluck a few golden apples off the tree, and are ultimately none the worse for it.
Not everyone involved in it is a poor, mistreated victim.
That, I can promise you.

 

[Jerry]

Look Jerry, I haven't even put in my 2 cents here, but suffice it to say I've known numerous women in the adult entertainment industry, primarily strippers, who were not averse to doing occasional "private shows" for regulars.
Their experiences more or less parallel Riverrat's (minus the White House invites and offers of cars, but then again, they were semi-pros at best).
They did not consider themselves "prostitutes"; if they had, they wouldn't have bothered showing up for their shifts at the bar every night, or enduring the drudgery and occasional unpleasantness that such a job entailed; they considered themselves "dancers", who- when opportunity knocked, occasionally opened the door.
I'll bet if you weren't married and some halfway decent-looking woman offered you a thousand dollars to have sex, you might consider it as well. Dancers, because of their occupation, are frequent recipients of such offers. Some never consider them (esp. those who are married or in monogamous relationships). Others consider such offers, but are too afraid to accept them, or have some moral qualm against it. Fine. Others never consider them at all, and categorically refuse any and all such propositions without a second thought. Fine. And some of them- this is very sad- fail to make any other plans for their lives, and when they start to get old and can't compete with 18-year-olds anymore, find themselves slipping deeper and deeper into prostitution (often coupled with alcohol or drug abuse). Women like that might well end up standing on a street corner one day... but that's rock bottom, and there are several (more like nine or ten) layers they have to sink through before ending up there. At any given time, they have opportunities to reverse the decline. At any time, there's a possibility that someone who cares may step in and save them. Some women in the sex industry seek rock bottom for the same reason that some drug-users do: because that's where they want to be. Because they made a conscious choice not to reverse their decline or accept any one of the numerous alternatives which presented themselves on the way down.
But many more do it for awhile, use the money to pay off some credit card debt or student loan, and then go on their merry ways with nary a backward glance: utterly unscathed, and with a good story to talk about at parties.

So, yeah. I believe Kelzie, and I believe Rivrrat.
I understand that women are severely victimized by sexual commerce in developing countries and less enlightened cultures, where it is not uncommon for women and children to be forced into it against their will, and where the police and other authorities are corrupt and possibly even active participants or beneficiaries of this industry, and so women and children who are being victimized or enslaved have no recourse.
But that's not the case in America, or anywhere in the West.

You could look in the yellow pages and call an escort service right now, and they'd send a prostitute to your house.
You could ask her about her "pimp" and she'd probably laugh in your face. If you persisted in asking her weird questions, she'd probably tell you to p!ss off, and leave (with your money). If you tried to stop her, she'd either call her driver in to flatten you, or- if she were alone- simply call the police.
Her driver wouldn't be a "pimp", although you might presume so; he's more than likely either a friend, boyfriend or husband (if she works independently) or an employee of the agency/service, the same as she is (if she works for a business).

There are actually a lot of links Rivrrat could post, because a lot of prostitutes have blogs now where they talk about the details of their daily lives; it's become a big new trend. Not one that I've ever read refers to being enslaved, abused, having a "pimp" of any sort, etc.

I don't know what life is like for street level prostitutes, because I've never known one personally, and presumably they don't have internet access, so they don't blog. I'm sure it sucks as much as life does for any homeless, drug-addicted man or woman.
But the sex industry in America is a multi-billion dollar a year industry, and yes- occasionally, women simply choose, of their own accord, to reach out and pluck a few golden apples off the tree, and are ultimately none the worse for it.
Not everyone involved in it is a poor, mistreated victim.
That, I can promise you.

In your post I see a lot of personal opinions, beliefs, false assumptions, and conjecture, but no evidence.

I didn't make any assertion that each and every single prostitute is a poor, mistreated victim. I showed how the typical prostitute is a poor, mistreated victim. So please, suppose any exception to the rule you like, link a blog or 2 to women who are the exceptions to the rule, it challenges my argument not because they are *exceptions* to the rule and not the rule itself.

 

[rivrrat]

In your post I see a lot of personal opinions, beliefs, false assumptions, and conjecture, but no evidence.

I didn't make any assertion that each and every single prostitute is a poor, mistreated victim. I showed how the typical prostitute is a poor, mistreated victim. So please, suppose any exception to the rule you like, link a blog or 2 to women who are the exceptions to the rule, it challenges my argument not because they are *exceptions* to the rule and not the rule itself.

No Jerry, what you don't seem to get is your stereotypical streetwalkers are the exception to the rule nowadays, not the rule itself. I could link you to much more than "a blog or 2" and I have linked you to sites that represent thousands of prostitutes, but you discredit those as not being "representative" and being "the exception". On what basis do you discredit them? Do you have a some reputable source that gives an estimate of the percentage of "streetwalkers" vs. the rest of the sex workers? I certainly didn't see one, and if you have one, I'd like to know how they came to their conclusions.

Your streetwalkers are the bottom of the barrel, they are the ones who hit rock bottom, they are the ones that would be more frequently "interviewed" or counseled because they are the ones in the public eye, being arrested, and being abused. They are the ones who NEED the counseling. So when you take your "representation" from those who received counseling, it's not an adequate representation at all. It eliminates all the thousands of prostitutes who are not arrested, who are not abused, and who do not feel the need to seek counseling because they have not been raped, abused, enslaved, or arrested. On top of that, you (irrationally) refuse to accept any experiences voiced by the thousands of workers that fly in the face of your presumptions.

Look.. we do *not* disagree that some prostitutes are down and out, are enslaved, are abused, and are raped. Let me reiterate, We don't disagree on that. I have not at any time discounted the experiences of women who claim these things have happened to them. Not once. I am very aware that it happens, just as I am very aware that it happens to women who are not prostitutes.

What we DO disagree on is your position that they are the "norm" and the majority. Your average prostitute is someone you would never guess is one. They permeate all facets of society. They are businesswomen, professionals, dancers, waitresses, schoolteachers, college students, your next door neighbor... they are everywhere. They live among you, they visit the same restaurants, shop at the same stores. And yet you'd never be able to single them out of a crowd. They are certainly not the exception. Go check out escort sites, see how many there are... see how many women they employ.

You are not going to find those women equally represented in studies of women who are arrested, raped, and received counseling.

 

[talloulou]

What we DO disagree on is your position that they are the "norm" and the majority. Your average prostitute is someone you would never guess is one. They permeate all facets of society. They are businesswomen, professionals, dancers, waitresses, schoolteachers, college students, your next door neighbor... they are everywhere.

They are everywhere? Come on that's a bit much! Just to clarify are these school teachers that are prostitutes are they actual sex workers or are they prostitutes in the same manner that you apparently believe all women have become prostitutes by the age of 12? :2wave:

 

[talloulou]

Go check out escort sites, see how many there are... see how many women they employ.

You are not going to find those women equally represented in studies of women who are arrested, raped, and received counseling.

Not all escorts are sex workers. :roll:

 

[rivrrat]

They are everywhere? Come on that's a bit much! Just to clarify are these school teachers that are prostitutes are they actual sex workers or are they prostitutes in the same manner that you apparently believe all women have become prostitutes by the age of 12? :2wave:

I didn't figure everyone would get the point of that quote. That's okay, I won't hold it against you since I entirely expected some readers to be literalists. And since we're being literal, the quote said that women decide to become prostitutes by the age of 12.

Ditto with your reference above about prostitutes being everywhere. It's a common phrase, Talloulou. No, I don't mean that prostitutes occupy every possible space on the planet. :roll:

But are they also schoolteachers, other professionals, college students, etc? Absolutely.

And no, not 100% of escorts are sex workers, but the vast majority of them are. I'd hedge my bets on any given one you point out being an employer of sex workers, because the chances would be strongly in my favor that they are. Escort services that aren't prostitutes are the exception, not the norm in the US.

 

[Marilyn Monroe]

On what basis do you call me a liar?

All things that we do leave impressions.

It was a helluva a lot more than a buck. But I've done worse... like waitressing.

Waitressing is an honorable profession. It's a hard job, but you don't have to feel dirty the rest of your life afterwards. If you openly told most peope you were a prostitute at some point in your life, that would end the relationship. This goes for the porn industry, all of it. Some people might be kind to you for a while, but most would take off.

I had the choice of taking a second, part-time waitressing job at night to deal with my financial problems, or work for this 'escort' service. I chose (get this.. CHOSE) the latter. I couldn't for the life of me rationalize working for less than minimum wage as a waitress, all night long, being exhausted at my full time job the next day and ending up taking home only a couple hundred a week... if that. When my other option was to work one - two hours a week and make $1000 in that time. The choice, my friend, was a no-brainer. I'll take the escort service over waitressing any day of the week.

I'd do telemarketing or call center before I'd do either.

While I don't doubt there are many unnattractive men who see prostitutes, there aren't any more who see them than you see in a bar on the average night. There was only one client I would have called terribly unnattractive. Two that were incredibly attractive (not to mention they were quite skilled as well ), and the rest were in between.

I don't have to have sex with a guy in a bar.

No, the movie is a movie. However, situations like "Pretty Woman" happen quite often. (i.e., the rich client falling for the prostitute he hired) It happens, A LOT.

Most everything, happens, but a lot, not so sure.

One of the reasons I quit the service was not because of what the job was, but because of the fact that too many of the clients fell for me. It made the job difficult when they began having a hard time seeing it as a job for me. When they began to express sentiments of caring, love, etc... and I didn't feel the same way... it made the job too stressful for me. Because I don't want to hurt anyone, and some of the clients fell hard, and fell fast. As I said before, I was offered apartments, cars, and a "salary" (or allowance as they called it) to just hang around and be their mistress. The reason I didn't do it had nothing to do with the sex, and everything to do with the emotions *they* had and I didn't.

This may have been your fantasy. True love is more than sex. Love takes a long time to really develop. They were "in love" because of the sex. Now if you hadn't given them any sex and they professed love, it would be more believable.

 

[rivrrat]

All things that we do leave impressions.

What are you talking about?

Waitressing is an honorable profession. It's a hard job, but you don't have to feel dirty the rest of your life afterwards. If you openly told most peope you were a prostitute at some point in your life, that would end the relationship. This goes for the porn industry, all of it. Some people might be kind to you for a while, but most would take off.

I don't consider waitressing any more honorable than prostitution. And, I don't feel "dirty" for having been a prostitute, and I don't have a problem telling people about it. If they decided they don't want to be a part of my life because of it, I consider that a good thing that we ended the relationship before we got any closer. Obviously they're not the type of person I'd want as a friend.

I'd do telemarketing or call center before I'd do either.

Good for you. I wouldn't.

I don't have to have sex with a guy in a bar.

I never said you did... where is this statement coming from? I never *had* to have sex with a single one of my clients.

This may have been your fantasy. True love is more than sex. Love takes a long time to really develop. They were "in love" because of the sex. Now if you hadn't given them any sex and they professed love, it would be more believable.

Fantasy? ROFLMAO No, more like nightmare. Good god.

I used the words in my post that THEY used. I said they expressed sentiments such as "caring" and "love". THEY expressed those words, and sentiments. Whether they were or not is entirely irrelevant. The fact that they continued to express those feelings made it too stressful to continue seeing them in a professional manner.

Do you think that all people who sell a service want their clients to fall in love with them? Don't you think that if someone's client expressed those feelings to their service provider (doctor, lawyer, banker, etc) that it would make it difficult and stressful for that provider to continue the professional relationship? Why would you think that anyone would *want* their clients to fall for them?

 

[WI Crippler]

I don't know about falling in love with prostitutes and all. I mean I guess some of those high dollar ones are pretty hot, and some are probably intelligent for women, so I could see guys falling for that.
Me personally though?? I wouldn't pay a prostitute to talk to her. What a waste of time and money. I pay for sex, thats what I want.

 

[rivrrat]

I don't know about falling in love with prostitutes and all. I mean I guess some of those high dollar ones are pretty hot, and some are probably intelligent for women, so I could see guys falling for that.
Me personally though?? I wouldn't pay a prostitute to talk to her. What a waste of time and money. I pay for sex, thats what I want.

I agree. (your sexist comment aside :2razz: )

But, some men are looking for a little more than just sex... they want to feel wanted, adored, attractive. Engaging them in conversation about themselves is something they enjoy, if the woman is showing a keen interest in what they have to say. It's just fantasy, in a sense. Each person wants/needs their own thing to make them feel good. Each person is paying to have their desires taken care of. Everyone is a little different in what that entails.

Some men, for certain, just wanted to wham-bam-thank you ma'am. A prostitute's job is to try and accomodate what each individual wants, be it a quick lay, engaging conversation followed by "making love", or hanging on their arm all night at a benefit dinner just being 'eye candy' and making the client feel as though all the other men are envious of him. (and as we all know, it doesn't matter if all the men were envious of his date or not... it only matters that he thinks they are)

 

[WI Crippler]

I agree. (your sexist comment aside :2razz: )

But, some men are looking for a little more than just sex... they want to feel wanted, adored, attractive. Engaging them in conversation about themselves is something they enjoy, if the woman is showing a keen interest in what they have to say. It's just fantasy, in a sense. Each person wants/needs their own thing to make them feel good. Each person is paying to have their desires taken care of. Everyone is a little different in what that entails.

Some men, for certain, just wanted to wham-bam-thank you ma'am. A prostitute's job is to try and accomodate what each individual wants, be it a quick lay, engaging conversation followed by "making love", or hanging on their arm all night at a benefit dinner just being 'eye candy' and making the client feel as though all the other men are envious of him. (and as we all know, it doesn't matter if all the men were envious of his date or not... it only matters that he thinks they are)

You see this is why I couldn't be a very good male prostitute. Although it would be nice to get paid to have an engaging conversation, or be eye-candy for a woman ( which I am not ), I just don't know if I would care enough or be able to pretend to care about what that person thought. I am a horrible actor, so if I was genuinley bored with a client it would show, and I'd be fired.

 

[rivrrat]

You see this is why I couldn't be a very good male prostitute. Although it would be nice to get paid to have an engaging conversation, or be eye-candy for a woman ( which I am not ), I just don't know if I would care enough or be able to pretend to care about what that person thought. I am a horrible actor, so if I was genuinley bored with a client it would show, and I'd be fired.

Of course! Everyone is not suited to every job. This is true of all professions, prostitution is no exception. There are a lot of jobs that I wouldn't be able to do, whether it's because I lack the skills, the desire, the ability, or just the fortitude to do something that's so disgusting to me. Ever watch the show "Dirty Jobs"? Jesus there are some whoppers in there. I commend the people that are able to do the jobs that I myself could never do. Individual differences, abilities, and choices are what makes it all so grand.

 

[Marilyn Monroe]

What are you talking about?

You said you were unscathed by it, and I say no you weren't, all that we do becomes a part of us. Unscathed means unharmed, and it possibly may not have bothered you, but I'd have to think most of these girls would have to be buzzed up to put on this act over and over.

I don't consider waitressing any more honorable than prostitution. And, I don't feel "dirty" for having been a prostitute, and I don't have a problem telling people about it. If they decided they don't want to be a part of my life because of it, I consider that a good thing that we ended the relationship before we got any closer. Obviously they're not the type of person I'd want as a friend.

Your number of friends would be more limited. You'd have less to choose from, and the pickins are already slim as it is. It's your perogative what you consider honorable, but most waitresses aren't giving their bodies away for money. Your body is where you live. It should be respected. This isn't being respectful of your body in MHO.

Good for you. I wouldn't.

This was your choice.

I never said you did... where is this statement coming from? I never *had* to have sex with a single one of my clients.

I'd have to think mostly you did if you wanted any money.

Fantasy? ROFLMAO No, more like nightmare. Good god.

I'd have to think it would be a fantasy for anyone doing this line of work. You couldn't do it in reality. I don't see how it could be real to you.

I used the words in my post that THEY used. I said they expressed sentiments such as "caring" and "love". THEY expressed those words, and sentiments. Whether they were or not is entirely irrelevant. The fact that they continued to express those feelings made it too stressful to continue seeing them in a professional manner.

You'd just have to set them straight. "I'm not interested in a romantic relationship with you, sorry." You could continue to have a professional relationship with someone after they professed their love if they backed off, it could be possible.

Do you think that all people who sell a service want their clients to fall in love with them? Don't you think that if someone's client expressed those feelings to their service provider (doctor, lawyer, banker, etc) that it would make it difficult and stressful for that provider to continue the professional relationship? Why would you think that anyone would *want* their clients to fall for them?

This would depend on the person, and if they were a tease or not. Some people like this sort of thing.