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Why Don't U.S. Socialists Understand That Total Government Power & Total Authoritarian Control Cannot Coexist With Freedom ?

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It's not like history is not filled with step by step instructions of exactly how to institute and maintain total mandated compliance of the populace .
How is it they still do not know what is required ?
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1. The US has very few, if any, socialists. Most people are just liberals.
2. It is silly to just assume an outcome like China even if the US did become socialist.
3. The assumption is that there is either total freedom or total authoritarianism is silly and alarmist given that every successful advanced society has successfully navigated between those two extreme positions.
 

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It's not like history is not filled with step by step instructions of exactly how to institute and maintain total mandated compliance of the populace .
How is it they still do not know what is required ?

Why Don't U.S. Socialists Understand That Total Government Power & Total Authoritarian Control Cannot Coexist With Freedom ?​



I reject the entire premise of the OP. It assumes fact not in evidence, and is ridiculous on its face.
 

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1. The US has very few, if any, socialists. Most people are just liberals.
2. It is silly to just assume an outcome like China even if the US did become socialist.
3. The assumption is that there is either total freedom or total authoritarianism is silly and alarmist given that every successful advanced society has successfully navigated between those two extreme positions.
History is proof the authoritarianism is a drug stronger than heroin to the human nature .
Once begun it never requires less authoritarianism . the driving need is always for more & more control .
To suggest that history shows the opposite is to show that you are not historically very bright .
 

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History is proof the authoritarianism is a drug stronger than heroin to the human nature .
Once begun it never requires less authoritarianism . the driving need is always for more & more control .
To suggest that history shows the opposite is to show that you are not historically very bright .
There are any number of nations today that have successfully balanced those two forces, in some cases, for centuries. France for example.

All you have so far are assertions, so I am sure you can prove them...
 

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It's not like history is not filled with step by step instructions of exactly how to institute and maintain total mandated compliance of the populace .
How is it they still do not know what is required ?
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It's not like history is not filled with step by step instructions of exactly how to institute and maintain total mandated compliance of the populace .
How is it they still do not know what is required ?

Who are the US socialist? I havent seen any in real life . . . .
I dont even know if there's any of those loons here?

Id like to see what they say also but i dont know any that want america to become a socialist government

the majority of Americans are happy with a constitutional republic and the natural pillars of democracy, capitalism and socialism that sprout out from that foundation

right now the only group of nutters i know against that are the types that stormed the capitol in a failed insurrection
 

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For the most part, we don't? Looks like it is yet again time to introduce another person to the concept of libertarian socialism.
The US has very few, if any, socialists.
Geez man, I just woke up. I don't need this kind of negativity this early in the morning.
 

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For the most part, we don't? Looks like it is yet again time to introduce another person to the concept of libertarian socialism.

Geez man, I just woke up. I don't need this kind of negativity this early in the morning.
They don't get it because they see promoting this particular hysteria as useful for their own agenda. They are more concerned about that than the truth.
 

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I dont even know if there's any of those loons here?
Haha! Yeah. No socialists here. No sir. Those wacky socialists, always up to something. They're tricky I tell you.

Best stay vigilant.
 

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Haha! Yeah. No socialists here. No sir. Those wacky socialists, always up to something. They're tricky I tell you.

Best stay vigilant.

its amazing how so many words are just catch phrases for people i dont agree with or like

75% of the time when i hear somebody talk about socialist or socialism its factually wrong lol
 

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75% of the time when i hear somebody talk about socialist or socialism its factually wrong lol
Well, since I'm definitely not a loony socialist, I certainly wouldn't know anything about that.
 

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its amazing how so many words are just catch phrases for people i dont agree with or like

75% of the time when i hear somebody talk about socialist or socialism its factually wrong lol
That is more accurate than most people's experience. A lot of people on this forum cant tell the difference between socialism, communism, marxism (which isn't even a real thing), fascism, and Obama.
 

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It's not like history is not filled with step by step instructions of exactly how to institute and maintain total mandated compliance of the populace .
How is it they still do not know what is required ?
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Why can't those socialist be more like "law and order" types who support law and order then bitch because the laws and orders are getting to be too much?
 

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That is more accurate than most people's experience. A lot of people on this forum cant tell the difference between socialism, communism, marxism (which isn't even a real thing), fascism, and Obama.


yeah its weird . . . in real life when i encounter more hardcore political people and they learn im independent . . thats always their big pitch to convert me . . .

"arent you scared or worried about . . SOCIALISM! . . its coming in the next couple years if we dont tak a stand" LMAO

and I ask them what they mean and they can never answer . . . .

then i explain to them that America is a constitutional republic and I dont know anybody that wants to change that and i have no fear of america magically scrapping its constitution and system and becoming a socialistic country . . .

usually, you can tell by the look on their facts they have no clue what a constitutional republic is or what im talking about
 

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A lot of people on this forum cant tell the difference between socialism, communism, marxism (which isn't even a real thing), fascism, and Obama.
Marxism is technically is a real thing. It just has more to do with sociology and philosophy than strictly economics. You can use Marxian dialectics to examine all sorts of systems. It's....VERY academic...
Marxism is a method of socioeconomic analysis that uses a materialist interpretation of historical development, better known as historical materialism, to understand class relations and social conflict as well as a dialectical perspective to view social transformation.
 

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Marxism is technically is a real thing. It just has more to do with sociology and philosophy than strictly economics. You can use Marxian dialectics to examine all sorts of systems. It's....VERY academic...

Interesting. The people on this forum wildly mischaracterize it (no surprise there), if this is what it actually is.
 

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It's not like history is not filled with step by step instructions of exactly how to institute and maintain total mandated compliance of the populace .
How is it they still do not know what is required ?
You don't know anything about what Socialism is. For the love of god, all you people do is spout the same moronic shit over and over again

Watch for the people who use the words "commie" and "socialist" the most. Then you'll know who are the biggest Republican Media consumers.

And the biggest idiots

More and more I'm convinced at what shitty people conservatives are. They only care about themselves and their kind, absolutely no empathy
 

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Authoritarian control is the thrust of Trump and his loyalists. The Trumpers are destroying democracy to become your authoritarian leaders. The Dems can't even finish off infrastructure week, how on earth can they become an authoritarian regime?
 

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Interesting. The people on this forum wildly mischaracterize it (no surprise there), if this is what it actually is.
It's actually pretty interesting. The basic idea is that the material conditions, the conditions under which people live their live, is what shapes society. This gives rise to social conflict between classes which eventually leads to shifts in how society is structured and different material conditions. For example, Marx used this lens of analysis when looking at the shift from Feudalism to Mercantilism in a historical context.
 
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