Why doesn't American care about private property right? (1 Viewer)

[Bergslagstroll]

No I know from this forume that many Americans are strong belivers in private property, but are all those beliefs thrown out then somebody say the word terrorist or then it's about non americans?

Because sens 9/11 hundreds of people have been striped of all there private property rights, they can't use the savings they got, can't earn money or even legally resive money from friends or the goverment. All this without a trial, just because they put on a an American list of suspected donors to terrorists and then approved by the UN security counsel without any question.

Do you have any discusion or debate about this in USA at all? That if it happen to you someday that for example French hand the UN of a list of americans they want take away private property rights from.

Personally as a sociliast swed I'm all for restricting private property right, but not this way...

 

[jennyb]

what is happening here in the us is very disturbing to me...our country is eroding....i cant wait until this administrations time is up.... i dont like the many things they would like to put under the presidents watchful eye. conseratives are giving the executive branch way to much power.

 

[ptsdkid]

what is happening here in the us is very disturbing to me...our country is eroding....i cant wait until this administrations time is up.... i dont like the many things they would like to put under the presidents watchful eye. conseratives are giving the executive branch way to much power.

***You got it all wrong again, Jenny. People being stripped of land ownership comes as a direct result of big government. Its similar to the government's estate tax, that deems it a neccesity to tax people's estate when they die--thus denying the family of the deceased any say in the matter.

Heaven forbid, but if a Democrat gets elected to the White House, you can bet your last taxable dollar that taxes will increase, estate taxes will remain intact, our defense will weaken, individualism will suffer while unionized robots grow. Capitalism will suffer a slow death; socialism will ensue till it reaches the level to that of European misery and social destruction, and American freedoms will be regulated until our country goes the way of ancient Rome. You need to buy your 'Stop Hillary' sign now before its too late.

 

[Bergslagstroll]

But people in general doesn't care about it or atleast not discuse it? Like for example you ptsdkid that instead of discusion the issue, just atack the democrats.

To be honest I think we in Sweden wouldn't have much talk about it either if it wasn't three sweds that was put up on the list. And even then I think it's little talk about the issue in Sweden.

Some link to the swedish cases:

http://www.statewatch.org/news/2002/apr/03somalia.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2128042.stm

http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/viewtopic.php?p=1442

As you can see it's old case, but still one Swed is on the list and still he hasn't been formaly charged with anything.

 

[Patrickt]

When I saw the title I thought of all the ways property rights are ignored and attacked in the U.S. and I have to admit that this one, which affects hundreds of people, never came to mind.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

***You got it all wrong again, Jenny. People being stripped of land ownership comes as a direct result of big government.

Heaven forbid, but if a Democrat gets elected to the White House, you can bet your last taxable dollar that taxes will increase, estate taxes will remain intact, our defense will weaken, individualism will suffer while unionized robots grow.

Can you make a single post without lashing out at Democrats. What is your point? Big brother is better than big government?

To the OP:

The worst thing the terrorists did on 9/11 was that they scared most Americans enough to be willing to trade away freedom for a false sense of security. Our power grabbing politicians jumped at the opportunity.

You see they couldnt destroy America actually, so they scared us into destroying what we stood for.

 

[Patrickt]

"The worst thing the terrorists did on 9/11 was that they scared most Americans enough to be willing to trade away freedom for a false sense of security. Our power grabbing politicians jumped at the opportunity."

Pre-dating 9/11 would be civil seizures of property of people not only not convicted of a crime but not even accussed of committing a crime, gun control in many jurisdictions, secret testimony in court where neither the defendant nor his attorney were allowed to hear the evidence, people being tried more than once for the same crime as in double-jeopardy, and contract killers hired by federal agencies. The list could go on but obviously this trend did not start on 9/11.

 

[SFLRN]

***You got it all wrong again, Jenny. People being stripped of land ownership comes as a direct result of big government. Its similar to the government's estate tax, that deems it a neccesity to tax people's estate when they die--thus denying the family of the deceased any say in the matter.

Heaven forbid, but if a Democrat gets elected to the White House, you can bet your last taxable dollar that taxes will increase, estate taxes will remain intact, our defense will weaken, individualism will suffer while unionized robots grow. Capitalism will suffer a slow death; socialism will ensue till it reaches the leel to that of European misery and social destruction, and American freedoms will be regulated until our country goes the way of ancient Rome. You need to buy your 'Stop Hillary' sign now before its too late.

Individualism suffers by a government that contiually violates civil rights.
Flag Burning is one of those freedoms restricted by Republicans, not Democrats.
. The Reagan era of republicans is dead with the neoconservatives.
If you want to talk big government lets talk about the Bush administration.
No Child Left Behind- Big Government Standards on Education.
Civil Rights- Mass wire taps, Guantanomo Bay, etc. Which, right or wrong, is an example of big government.
Increased Government Spending- Big Government
Increased Deficits- Big Government
Amendment to Ban Gay Marriage- Big Government
If you want to be a libertarian thats fine but theres no party holds libertarian ideals these days (some politicians).

 

[MrFungus420]

The US government has been using this tactic for years under the guise of the Drug War.

Someone who is accused of drug dealing (accused, no conviction necessary) can basically lose everything to forfeiture unless they can prove that everything was purchased without any "drug money".

Have a marijuana plant growing somewhere on your property? It doesn't matter that it is a naturally growing plant in the US, you can lose everything.

Carrying too much cash is illegal, and if you can't show where the money came from, I think that it is forfeit.

We have had decades of the Drug War desensitizing us to this sort of thing.