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Why does conservative talk shows hate the UFC (1 Viewer)

WI Crippler

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I just saw a clip on the internet where Bill O' Reilly was doing the best he could to tear into UFC President Dana White, and then Champ Rich Franklin, on the brutality of their sport. I also remember other commentators talking down the sport, and of course John McCains remark that it equals human **** fighting. It got me to thinking, why do republicans/ conservatives dislike the UFC so much. I am mostly conservative in my views and I love the UFC. I think it is a much more legit sport than boxing, and the rules in place are actually safer. Not one death in sanctioned UFC bouts, and the worst injury really suffered is a broken arm or nose. I was just wondering why they dislike it so much.
 
I guess because they had nothing else to attack that day.

I don't like the UFC because it's just hard for me to watch two people beat the crap out of each other but if others like it and the players are willing to do it, I don't see what the problem is. It is somewhat brutal but so what.
 
I just saw a clip on the internet where Bill O' Reilly was doing the best he could to tear into UFC President Dana White, and then Champ Rich Franklin, on the brutality of their sport. I also remember other commentators talking down the sport, and of course John McCains remark that it equals human **** fighting. It got me to thinking, why do republicans/ conservatives dislike the UFC so much. I am mostly conservative in my views and I love the UFC. I think it is a much more legit sport than boxing, and the rules in place are actually safer. Not one death in sanctioned UFC bouts, and the worst injury really suffered is a broken arm or nose. I was just wondering why they dislike it so much.

Why does O'Reilly's opinion on the subject lead you to believe it is shared by other conservative talk shows?
 
More info:

UFC’s promoters predicted that it would supplant boxing as America’s martial art. Instead, it fell apart. The collapse began in 1996, when Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., saw a UFC tape. McCain, a lifelong boxing fan, was horrified at the ground fighting, kicks, and head butts. It was “barbaric,” he said. It was “not a sport.” He sent letters to all 50 governors asking them to ban ultimate fighting. The outcry against “human cockfighting” became a crusade, and like many crusades, it was founded on misunderstanding.

But this does not impress boxing fans, who are the most vigorous opponents of extreme fighting. McCain sat ringside at a boxing match where a fighter was killed. When I asked him to explain the moral distinction between boxing and ultimate fighting, he exploded at me, “If you can’t see the moral distinction, then we have nothing to talk about!” Then he cut our interview short and stormed out of his office.

But logic has not served Illustration by Keith Seidel the UFC well. Where McCain led, a prudish nation followed. George Will opined against UFC. The American Medical Association recommended a ban. New York state outlawed ultimate fighting, as did other states. The Nevada Athletic Commission refused to sanction UFC bouts, barring the UFC from the lucrative casino market. (One public TV station refused a UFC sponsorship ad. The only other organization the station ever rejected was the Ku Klux Klan.) Lawsuits blocked or delayed UFC events all over the country, forcing the promoters to spend millions in legal fees. The UFC was exiled from mega-arenas to ever-smaller venues in ever more out-of-the-way states: Louisiana, Iowa, and Alabama. The match I attended in October 1997 was held in the parking lot of a small Mississippi casino.

The cable TV industry struck the fatal blow. In early 1997, McCain became chairman of the commerce committee, which oversees the cable industry. In April 1997, the president of the National Cable Television Association warned that UFC broadcasts could jeopardize the cable industry’s influence in Washington. Time Warner, TCI, Request, Cablevision Systems, Viewer’s Choice, and other major operators stopped airing UFC events, saying they were too violent for children. Never mind that 1) UFC only aired on pay-per-view, so children could not see it unless their parents paid for it; and 2) the same cable outfits carried boxing matches, R and NC-17 movies, and professional wrestling shows far more violent than UFC. The UFC’s “addressable audience”–the potential number of PPV subscribers–shrank from 35 million at its peak to 7.5 million today.

The ultimate fighting industry did little to help its own cause. The UFC promoted itself less as a serious sport than as a circus of carnage. Its early ads emphasized extreme fighting’s potential for death. UFC folks accused McCain, without any evidence, of opposing the sport as a favor to campaign contributors. Extreme fighting was tarnished when fighters from the other ultimate fighting operation, the now-defunct Battlecade, were arrested for violating Canadian prizefighting laws when they fought on an Indian reservation outside Montreal.

I dunno, I dig the shows on Spike and have gone to see some MMA live locally. I don't see how it differs from boxing and believe that the government should have a laissez-faire attitude if people want to fight/watch 'em fight as these are consenting adults.
 
Why does O'Reilly's opinion on the subject lead you to believe it is shared by other conservative talk shows?

Well its just not O'Reilly, and I guess I was wrong to insinuate that its just consevatives as well because donny Deutche (sp?) who isn't necessarily consevative talk, came out against it and had what I believe to be an uneducated stance on the sport itself, then the O'reilly tape made its way onto the internet and i watched that and felt that the President of UFC and one of his fighters really weren't given enough time on the show to really explain anything about the UFC, how it has changed after it was bought, and is getting sanctioning in alot of states now.
Also a point that is seldom brought up is that in the history of the UFC there has never been a death, or life threatening injury in professional mixed martial arts. It is much safer than boxing for sure, because once you are incapable of self defense, its over. there are no standing 8 counts for guys to clear their head and get their brain pummeled again and again.
 
Well its just not O'Reilly, and I guess I was wrong to insinuate that its just consevatives as well because donny Deutche (sp?) who isn't necessarily consevative talk, came out against it and had what I believe to be an uneducated stance on the sport itself, then the O'reilly tape made its way onto the internet and i watched that and felt that the President of UFC and one of his fighters really weren't given enough time on the show to really explain anything about the UFC, how it has changed after it was bought, and is getting sanctioning in alot of states now.
Also a point that is seldom brought up is that in the history of the UFC there has never been a death, or life threatening injury in professional mixed martial arts. It is much safer than boxing for sure, because once you are incapable of self defense, its over. there are no standing 8 counts for guys to clear their head and get their brain pummeled again and again.
Understood. So this isn't really a politically partisan issue at all.
 
The UFC is better than boxing in every way! Everyone knows boxing is fixed a good portion of the time. Don King is a fraud who robs the talent blind. The talent in boxing just isn't there anymore.

O'Reilly is only interested in marketing himself. He lives off of being outraged. That is what his target audience is. It has him laughing all the way to the bank. He thinks children can't think for themselves and make decisions about right and wrong. I understand because his audience is quite similar. Don't try using logic with someone in "Factor Gear".
 
So it's unanimous then. Moral of the story: don't waste time watching talk show blowhards when you could be watching MMA.
 
From Mike Straka of FoxNews...right on their official website...

January 1, 2007

New Year's From Vegas

FOXNews.com spent the holiday weekend in Sin City to bring you footage from the Ultimate Fighting Championship bout between Tito Ortiz and Chuck Liddell, and also for a live stream from the terrace bar at PURE, overlooking the Las Vegas Strip from Caesar's Palace.

And while we didn't get an interview (or even a clear camera shot) of our party host Britney Spears during the stream, we still made out better than Ortiz, who got banged up pretty good by Chuck "The Iceman" Liddell on Saturday at the MGM Grand Garden Arena.

I can't say enough about the competitors who enter that Octagon.

Whether you're a fight fan or not, the thing that is attractive about these athletes is the dedication to their sport, and the respect they show one another, even after a pounding, that they display. Who would have ever thought that mixed martial artists would end up being some of the most positive role models among professional athletes today?

Every time I cover these events I notice more and more kids in the audience, and more and more elite sports stars ringside. Last time it was boxing great Roy Jones Jr. scoping out the fight scene, but this time baseball star Jason Giambi and tennis greats Andree Agassi and Steffi Graf took in the action.

Agassi told me he's new to the sport, but he did seem to be enjoying himself, while wife Graf seemed to have her eyes glued to the action.

At PURE on New Year's Eve we had a bird's eye view of an estimated half-million people lining the Las Vegas strip, and we were front and center for the Vegas fireworks show. A big thanks to Ken Langdon at Caesar's for hosting us, and Steve Davidici at PURE for the excellent spot and hospitality.
A lot of hate there...:roll:
 
I like the UFC. But the two best fighters are still not part of that organization.
  • Wanderliegh Silva
  • Fedor Melyenenko
Not to sure of the spelling, but those two guys would kick anyone's a.s.s in the UFC.
 
I like the UFC. But the two best fighters are still not part of that organization.
  • Wanderliegh Silva
  • Fedor Melyenenko
Not to sure of the spelling, but those two guys would kick anyone's a.s.s in the UFC.

Wanderli Silva fought in the UFC before, back in the early days, and did ok. He lost to Tito Ortiz for what was back then the middle weight belt(now Light HW belt ). But he's a great fighter who would do well.

Fedor Emelianko (sp?) is the best fighter out there, period. He would walk through the UFC Heavies rather easily.

The UFC just signed Mirko Cro Cop, who is going to shake up some **** as well. An outstanding striker. Also they signed Quinton Jackson, who has done well in other fight orgs, and has beaten Chuck Liddell before. Looks like its going to be a good year for the UFC.
 
Originally Posted by WI Crippler
Fedor Emelianko (sp?) is the best fighter out there, period. He would walk through the UFC Heavies rather easily.
Fedor gets like a shark after it's smelled the blood of its prey.

Originally Posted by WI Crippler
The UFC just signed Mirko Cro Cop, who is going to shake up some **** as well. An outstanding striker. Also they signed Quinton Jackson, who has done well in other fight orgs, and has beaten Chuck Liddell before. Looks like its going to be a good year for the UFC.
Luddell does know how to throw down!
 

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