Why do conservative Christians need to have all women believe abortion is immoral?

[weaver2]

All Americans have the right to believe in the correctness of their own religious morality. Everyone agrees the Constitution guarantees religious freedom.

That said, conservative Catholics and evangelicals want to make all women adhere to their belief that a fetus is a person with legal rights and that abortion is immoral.

If getting an abortion does not prohibit Catholics or the evangelicals from practicing their religion why do they demand that all women believe abortion is immoral and outlaw abortion. What happened the Constitutional guarantee that everyone is free to practice their own religion and leave others alone to practice theirs?

 

[Aunt Antifa]

All Americans have the right to believe in the correctness of their own religious morality. Everyone agrees the Constitution guarantees religious freedom.

That said, conservative Catholics and evangelicals want to make all women adhere to their belief that a fetus is a person with legal rights and that abortion is immoral.

If getting an abortion does not prohibit Catholics or the evangelicals from practicing their religion why do they demand that all women believe abortion is immoral and outlaw abortion. What happened the Constitutional guarantee that everyone is free to practice their own religion and leave others alone to practice theirs?

THe arguments are always circular back to religion whether they admit it or not. Morality of some kiind that they demand others adhere to.

I’ve asked this so many times, never get a legit answer: we make life and death decisions every day, in all kinds of contexts for all kinds of reasons. Why should a pre-born not person have higher/same priority as a host body? If you are fine with *any* human decision making in regards to the life or death of someone else, you cannot be opposed to abortion.

 

[Rogue Valley]

All Americans have the right to believe in the correctness of their own religious morality. Everyone agrees the Constitution guarantees religious freedom.

That said, conservative Catholics and evangelicals want to make all women adhere to their belief that a fetus is a person with legal rights and that abortion is immoral.

If getting an abortion does not prohibit Catholics or the evangelicals from practicing their religion why do they demand that all women believe abortion is immoral and outlaw abortion. What happened the Constitutional guarantee that everyone is free to practice their own religion and leave others alone to practice theirs?

Although God is supposed to be gender-less, the Abrahamic religions are patriarchal.

One of the ways this dominance manifests is in [religious] control of the female body.

These religions also demand that this dominance be extended to the laws of the state.

 

[joko104]

All Americans have the right to believe in the correctness of their own religious morality. Everyone agrees the Constitution guarantees religious freedom.

That said, conservative Catholics and evangelicals want to make all women adhere to their belief that a fetus is a person with legal rights and that abortion is immoral.

If getting an abortion does not prohibit Catholics or the evangelicals from practicing their religion why do they demand that all women believe abortion is immoral and outlaw abortion. What happened the Constitutional guarantee that everyone is free to practice their own religion and leave others alone to practice theirs?

That message is not really accurate. Having an abortion is automatic excommunication from the Catholic church. However, that person may confess to a priest that doing so was sinful asking for absolution and the excommunication lifted.

Most Democrats - like you in your messages - insist that there is no such thing as individual humans and put people into stereotyping groups - ie ALL black people are identical, ALL Catholics are identical, ALL protestants are identical etc. Segregation, bigotry, group think, socialism for which everyone is just a worker bee within their designated classification - all are the core of Democratic Party dogma. There are no individuals and no individual rights whatsoever. Rather, you are just a collection of stereotypical categories.

 

[weaver2]

Although God is supposed to be gender-less, the Abrahamic religions are patriarchal.

One of the ways this dominance manifests is in [religious] control of the female body.

These religions also demand that this dominance be extended to the laws of the state.

There was a time not so long ago when these patriarchal religions were relegated to small congregations in cinder block churches at the seedy edge of town, spouted bizarre Revelation conspiracies, were called nut jobs and ignored. Today they still spout unintelligible conspiracies but they are about to wield a political power that will negate freedom of religion to the point where a government driven by one religion becomes a not too distant reality.

 

[joko104]

Another of hundreds of hate-mongering against Christians thread.

All Christians should vote straight Republican for every office in every election as if their lives of their loved ones and themselves depend on it. To understand this any Christian only needs to read this forum and the thousands of pro-active hate mongering against Christians by so many Democratic posters.

 

[weaver2]

That message is not really accurate. Having an abortion is automatic excommunication from the Catholic church. However, that person may confess to a priest that doing so was sinful asking for absolution and the excommunication lifted.

Most Democrats - like you in your messages - insist that there is no such thing as individual humans and put people into stereotyping groups - ie ALL black people are identical, ALL Catholics are identical, ALL protestants are identical etc. Segregation, bigotry, group think, socialism for which everyone is just a worker bee within their designated classification - all are the core of Democratic Party dogma. There are no individuals and no individual rights whatsoever. Rather, you are just a collection of stereotypical categories.

Right, that's why most Democratic women are pro-choice and believe every woman has a right to make individual personal decisions about her private reproductive life and should choose the course of action that best reflects what she believes is important to her and her family.

Lotsa luck trying to sell Democratic non-diversity after years of crying that Democrats are ruining American culture by promoting diversity.

 

[joko104]

Right, that's why most Democratic women are pro-choice and believe every woman has a right to make individual personal decisions about her private reproductive life and should choose the course of action that best reflects what she believes is important to her and her family.

Lotsa luck trying to sell Democratic non-diversity after years of crying that Democrats are ruining American culture by promoting diversity.

The Democratic Party - now the anti-liberal fascist party - furiously rages against diversity and instead demands segregation.

 

[weaver2]

Another of hundreds of hate-mongering against Christians thread.

All Christians should vote straight Republican for every office in every election as if their lives of their loved ones and themselves depend on it. To understand this any Christian only needs to read this forum and the thousands of pro-active hate mongering against Christians by so many Democratic posters.

It is not hate mongering to ask why conservative Christians need to have all women buy into the idea that abortion is murder. No one is preventing these same conservative Christians from denying abortions to their women. Why do they need Episcopalian woman to believe abortion is wrong?

 

[Dayton3]

All Americans have the right to believe in the correctness of their own religious morality. Everyone agrees the Constitution guarantees religious freedom.

That said, conservative Catholics and evangelicals want to make all women adhere to their belief that a fetus is a person with legal rights and that abortion is immoral.

If getting an abortion does not prohibit Catholics or the evangelicals from practicing their religion why do they demand that all women believe abortion is immoral and outlaw abortion. What happened the Constitutional guarantee that everyone is free to practice their own religion and leave others alone to practice theirs?

The "Constitutional guarantee" is that the government will leave people alone to practice their religion.

It is not (and cannot be) that Americans citizens will leave their fellow citizens alone to practice their religion.

 

[weaver2]

Another of hundreds of hate-mongering against Christians thread.

All Christians should vote straight Republican for every office in every election as if their lives of their loved ones and themselves depend on it. To understand this any Christian only needs to read this forum and the thousands of pro-active hate mongering against Christians by so many Democratic posters.

LOL. and that's your idea of Christian diversity? :2rofll:

 

[weaver2]

The "Constitutional guarantee" is that the government will leave people alone to practice their religion.

It is not (and cannot be) that Americans citizens will leave their fellow citizens alone to practice their religion.

You can't be serious!!!!!

 

[weaver2]

Although God is supposed to be gender-less, the Abrahamic religions are patriarchal.

One of the ways this dominance manifests is in [religious] control of the female body.

These religions also demand that this dominance be extended to the laws of the state.

It seems to me if a religious sect has the political power to take away the Constitutional right to make a personal decision about one's private life from half of the population they have the power to take other rights away from the other half of the population.

 

[Dayton3]

You can't be serious!!!!!

Absolutely. What people forget is that most of the rights and guarantees enumerated in the U.S. Constitution are actually restrictions on government actions Not on individual citizens.

and given that many (or most) religions consider it their divine duty to attempt to spread and promote their values and beliefs to others, then trying to stop that would be a violation of the constitutional right to practice their religion.

 

[soylentgreen]

Another of hundreds of hate-mongering against Christians thread.

All Christians should vote straight Republican for every office in every election as if their lives of their loved ones and themselves depend on it. To understand this any Christian only needs to read this forum and the thousands of pro-active hate mongering against Christians by so many Democratic posters.

Wait! Did you not say that christians should not be seen as just one group lumped together. Apparently that excuse only works when trying to dodge the harm christianity does.

 

[Valery]

Because it is immoral and it's the better the more people know the truth. :roll:

It's funny how disbelievers think that letting religious people practice their religion is some kind of charity that they themselves gave. :lamo

 

[Lursa]

Another of hundreds of hate-mongering against Christians thread.

All Christians should vote straight Republican for every office in every election as if their lives of their loved ones and themselves depend on it. To understand this any Christian only needs to read this forum and the thousands of pro-active hate mongering against Christians by so many Democratic posters.

That's total BS. I'm a practicing Christian...I abhor THE misinterpretation of God's Word that demonizes so many things that are not wrong under God's Word at all. Alot of crap created to control the masses. Some of it likely with good intentions, but other crap, like no birth control, women respected only for breeding and creating more hands to put $$ in collection plates...pure greed.

Such practitioners and preachers are toxic and only harm Christianity. They drive people away FROM God's Word of brotherly love, compassion, forgiveness, and peace.

Anything that does not break THAT Word is not a sin. Doesnt matter what else the Bible says...it was written by flawed men...who had their own agendas, even if with good intent.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Lursa]

It's funny how disbelievers think that letting religious people practice their religion is some kind of charity that they themselves gave. :lamo

No religious woman is prevented from practicing her beliefs regarding abortion. All are free to follow their beliefs.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[weaver2]

Absolutely. What people forget is that most of the rights and guarantees enumerated in the U.S. Constitution are actually restrictions on government actions Not on individual citizens.

and given that many (or most) religions consider it their divine duty to attempt to spread and promote their values and beliefs to others, then trying to stop that would be a violation of the constitutional right to practice their religion.

Knocking on someone's door and asking to tell the good news is one thing. The homeowner has a choice of listening ore closing the door. That's not what Conservative Christians are doing. They are paying lobbyists to persuade Congress to change the law so that their religious beliefs are the law. They are paying into the campaign funds of Congressmen who promise to make their religious beliefs into law. They are asking the government to ignore the establishment clause of the Constitution and make the beliefs of one religion federal law.

This is not proselytizing, this is turning s secular democracy into something very close to a theocracy. And you don't see a problem with this?

 

[Dayton3]

Knocking on someone's door and asking to tell the good news is one thing. The homeowner has a choice of listening ore closing the door. That's not what Conservative Christians are doing. They are paying lobbyists to persuade Congress to change the law so that their religious beliefs are the law. They are paying into the campaign funds of Congressmen who promise to make their religious beliefs into law.

And you have proof of this with links to unbiases sources do you? And I'll remind you that Christians have just as much of a right to lobby members of Congress as anyone else.

 

[OscarLevant]

The Democratic Party - now the anti-liberal fascist party - furiously rages against diversity and instead demands segregation.

Vacuous declarations, demagoguery, weasel words, loaded language, such as your comment are typical of someone who is anti-liberal and fascist leaning.

Obviously, you are projecting, another tactic right out of the fascist's playbook.

 

[joko104]

Vacuous declarations, demagoguery, weasel words, loaded language, such as your comment are typical of someone who is anti-liberal and fascist leaning.

Obviously, you are projecting, another tactic right out of the fascist's playbook.

The Democratic Party now is the International Corporate Fascist Party HQed in Beijing.

 

[Mashmont]

Although God is supposed to be gender-less, the Abrahamic religions are patriarchal.

One of the ways this dominance manifests is in [religious] control of the female body.

These religions also demand that this dominance be extended to the laws of the state.

I'm more concerned with the baby's body. Abortion ain't even about women.

 

[Mashmont]

Right, that's why most Democratic women are pro-choice and believe every woman has a right to make individual personal decisions about her private reproductive life and should choose the course of action that best reflects what she believes is important to her and her family.

It's amazing how these people couch with such flowery language the grisly dismemberment of little babies in the womb.

 

[Integrityrespec]

All Americans have the right to believe in the correctness of their own religious morality. Everyone agrees the Constitution guarantees religious freedom.

That said, conservative Catholics and evangelicals want to make all women adhere to their belief that a fetus is a person with legal rights and that abortion is immoral.

If getting an abortion does not prohibit Catholics or the evangelicals from practicing their religion why do they demand that all women believe abortion is immoral and outlaw abortion. What happened the Constitutional guarantee that everyone is free to practice their own religion and leave others alone to practice theirs?

When you are a member of a religious order you are kinda bound by those beliefs. If you disagree you are in opposition to the teachings of that religion. In christian religions the sanctity of life is a moral concern. All life is sacred and adults are expected to protect life, all human life even when is causes a burden.. Sacrifice is key in the Christian religion, or maybe you don't understand Jesus Christ sacrifice?