Why did you vote for Trump?

[TurtleDude]

I think the only way I'd vote for Trump was if he was running against a giant asteroid that had promised to wipe out all life on Earth if it won and that it would miss if Trump won.

Even then it would be

a tough choice.

with that level of TDS, what will you ever do if Trump wins?

 

[Peter]

with that level of TDS, what will you ever do if Trump wins?

Not a lot considering I live in the UK.
Maybe have a cup of coffee and some cake.

 

[TurtleDude]

Not a lot considering I live in the UK.
Maybe have a cup of coffee and some cake.

it is interesting. most of us don't really care who wins the PM election in Britain

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Because the Neo-Jacobin left is nearing time for the reign of terror.

What are you talking about?

Four years ago, America was doing great under a Democratic president. There was no such thing as "Neo-Jacobin." The only problem was Republicans in Congress demanded a second investigation into Hillary Clinton's private email server to make her lose and it worked.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

We did vote for the best candidate, knowing FULL WELL what Trump was/is. That may give you an idea of what we think of your candidates, and you have offered up another just as bad this time. You have inflicted this on us, and we don’t forget.

If you knew Donald Trump is such a horrible human being, you knew Hillary Clinton was the best candidate. That is true for everyone who was educated about Trump in 2016 except the voters who think Clinton's email server was more important than everything else she did in her political career.

 

[smallvoice]

If you knew Donald Trump is such a horrible human being, you knew Hillary Clinton was the best candidate. That is true for everyone who was educated about Trump in 2016 except the voters who think Clinton's email server was more important than everything else she did in her political career.

The Clinton bitch was not even close to the being best candidate . Her illegal email server was only a symptom of just how important she thought hiding the facts from the authorities was in pulling the wool over your eyes. It worked for liberal sheep, because you are still here, knowing full well what she was trying to do, and you STILL support her.
Your problem is that you “were educated about Hilarity” and ignored the facts.


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[smallvoice]

The "activities" you read about turned out to be disinformation intended to trick you into voting against your own interests, and you fell for it hook line and sinker.

Is “disinformation” the new liberal phrase for you don’t have a clue about the matter? Must be. Voting for a dimocrap is NEVER in my best interest.


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[post]

The "activities" you read about turned out to be disinformation intended to trick you into voting against your own interests, and you fell for it hook line and sinker.

Both Hillary and "Don the Con" have been very consistent over five decades....remember when Don testified for 11 hours before the sham McCarthy Benghazi committee... oh, wait.... that was Hillary respecting congress's Article I constitutional authority.

Clinton: My 'skin crawled' in debate with Trump - CNN Video

 

[Patriotic Voter]

The Clinton bitch was not even close to the being best candidate. Her illegal email server was only a symptom of just how important she thought hiding the facts from the authorities was in pulling the wool over your eyes. It worked for liberal sheep, because you are still here, knowing full well what she was trying to do, and you STILL support her.

Your problem is that you “were educated about Hilarity” and ignored the facts.

I was educated about Donald Trump. Obviously you were not because of intentional ignorance.

 

[TheParser]

He is the best qualified for the job.

He has proved this by being about the only elected official in this country who has refused to kneel or grovel or kowtow to certain interest groups.

His courage, despite it may likely destroy his chances of being reelected, is commendable.

 

[Oborosen]

Both Hillary and "Don the Con" have been very consistent over five decades....remember when Don testified for 11 hours before the sham McCarthy Benghazi committee... oh, wait.... that was Hillary respecting congress's Article I constitutional authority.

Clinton: My 'skin crawled' in debate with Trump - CNN Video

Once again, filling up a page with nothing that actually proves a point.

 

[Oborosen]

Why did you vote for Trump?

I voted for him because Trump was the better choice at the time.
I'd been betrayed by the democrats for the last time at that point and I was not going to just let the cronies have their way with the country. Especially after allowing their own people to either taint, or destroy it.

Trump's populist and nationalist message were more attractive to me. As well as his desire for getting the border secured and bringing back more jobs.

So it was really a no-brainer for me.

 

[post]

I voted for him because Trump was the better choice at the time.
I'd been betrayed by the democrats for the last time at that point and I was not going to just let the cronies have their way with the country. Especially after allowing their own people to either taint, or destroy it.

Trump's populist and nationalist message were more attractive to me. As well as his desire for getting the border secured and bringing back more jobs.

So it was really a no-brainer for me.

Yeah! My post you quoted above yours certainly reinforces your opinion, "...because Trump was the better choice at the time."

By what coherent metric, aside from some vague grievance against democrats you touched on,, can actually be supported by verifiable facts?
You voted for an infamous confidence man who promised to release his tax returns, just as every other major party candidate had for forty years.
After Trump did not deliver on that vital campaign promise, you voted for him anyway, still defend your vote, continue to apologize for his record level "short comings."

I presented some of the contrasts of character, respect, sincerity, and capability you reflexively chided me for putting up on this page.
Here is more. Which is more likely, Clinton was transformed, between 2006 and 2016 into the person you rejected, over Trump's empty theatrics, from birtherism
to pulling the stunts in debates (he featured four of Bill's accusers at one debate), to collaborating with Russian bots and Pecker's National Enquirer media blitz frothing
over their invention of "Clinton's poor health", despite her doctor's release and explanation of her health record, vs. Trump's stunting on Dr. Oz's show after the freak in the white jacket Trump had exploited, had revealed Trump had dictated the description of his own health that gastro specialist signed off on and initially claimed was his own professional assessment of Trump's state of health?

Take Two: Hillary's Choice - The Atlantic
Take Two: Hillary's Choice
How Hillary Clinton turned herself into the consummate Washington player

JOSHUA GREEN
NOVEMBER 2006 ISSUE

...One spring Wednesday, a few months into the term, Senator Sam Brownback’s turn came to lead the group, and he rose intending to talk about a recent cancer scare. But as he stood before his colleagues Brownback spotted Clinton, ...He confessed to having hated Clinton and having said derogatory things about her. .. Then he turned to her and asked, “Mrs. Clinton, will you forgive me?” Clinton replied that she would, and that she appreciated the apology...

Above was how Hillary was viewed, as a centrist, hard working U.S. Senator convincingly rooted in her lifelong, Protestant faith, until republicans needed to dirty up
that image, during the 2008 presidential primary season, and ever since! Or, do you assert the republican senators who regularly shared prayer breakfasts with Hillary and respected her ability and sincerity, many the same senators who voted not to remove Trump, seven months ago, were fools?

Are they only fools when you've disagreed with their appraisal of Hillary Clinton?

Reply when you have an argument to make parallel to verifiable facts that will support it. Before Trump, conservatives claimed to be fiscal hawks with impeccaple
religious values. Trump exposed all that as empty..... the wealthiest political donors, then as now, are the only governing "principle"!

Trump uses your opinions against you in service to his wealthiest donors, as your opinons are of a suprisingly common, but still a minority variety, absent practical facts but immersed in feelings, the things Trump is best at spotting and exploiting by validating them for you, IOW flattering you, validating your core beliefs, more easily accomplished because they are not consistent with facts or with evolving majority public opinion.

1950s oriented Trump nets 1950s oriented, predominently caucasian supporters. Five years after this was ignored....

Trump Defied 2013 GOP Strategy Known As The Autopsy. Was It A 'Failure'? : NPR

Trump Defied 2013 GOP Strategy Known As The Autopsy ...
Jul 16, 2020 - Just under eight years ago, Republicans were recovering from a stinging presidential election loss after Mitt Romney lost to President Obama ...

The bus filled with Trump's supporters was still, "idling at the curb", eagerly and predictably ready to vote for more of this!

...and for a freakish, dramatic increase in national debt increase rate, in the midst of Trump described, "best economy, ever"!

 

[Rawley]

I for one, would sincerely & respectfully want to hear the rationale. I'm suspecting 'Judges' ranks very high, along with 'America First' & 'Taxes'.

Judges
American First
Foreign policy
Immigration
Taxes
He was not from the swamp.
The other choice was deplorable

 

[Chomsky]

People don't vote Trump because they are racist or evil. People vote Trump because they have been thoroughly convinced that Democrats are going to culturally marginalize them, take away everything they care about, and then burn their country to ashes. This is not hyperbole, this is what way too many Republicans honestly believe thanks to the incessant fear mongering of conservative propaganda, and for most of them no amount of rational discourse or historical hindsight can penetrate this desperately held belief.

Democrats would do well to remember this: By far the vast majority of Trump supporters are motivated, first and foremost, by existential dread.

Interesting choice of words, because as I peruse the comment sections of Trump media sites, I'm seeing those exact words come-up. If Biden wins, they fear becoming culturally irrelevant 'again'. Those were the exact words I saw, and there might be some truth in that. Not that there will necessarily be intentional irrelevancy bestown upon them. But it will occur through the natural fall-out that will occur.

 

[post]

Judges
American First
Foreign policy
Immigration
Taxes
He was not from the swamp.
The other choice was deplorable

You typed, "the other choice was deplorable", under the same page displaying my two posts proving you actually have extremely poor judgment about what
is or is not deplorable, which was Hillary Clinton's point in choosing to use that same word to describe a disturbingly large percentage of Trump's messaging, chatacter and his supporters attracted to both!

"Taxes" = "I have no problem stiffing my own grandchildren with a freakishly large national debt.... a debt I'm only concerned about when my party is not in power."

"Judges" ? Why not just admit what attracts you? You're oriented to resent the word "deplorable", but.....

Trump's Judges, Mostly White Men, Will Rule For Decades : NPR
Trump's Judges, Mostly White Men, Will Rule For Decades ...World, US, Music & Arts : NPR[/url] › 2020/07/02 › trump-and-mcconnell-via-s...
Jul 2, 2020 - ... to "leave no vacancy behind." The judges, who are far from retirement age, are largely white men. ... Supreme Court Overturns Restrictions On Abortion Access ... Trump already has installed 53 in just four years. Unfair, say ...

Trump Nears Post-Nixon First: No Black Circuit Judges (Corrected)
Trump Nears Post-Nixon First: No Black Circuit Judges ...
Jun 25, 2020 - Trump appointed one Hispanic and zero Black appeals court judges ... and none are Black. That compares to about 27% of President Barack Obama’s and roughly 15% under President George W. Bush, according to a Bloomberg Law analysis of Federal Judicial Center data. ... of appeals, and conservatives in the legal community tend to be White for ...

Why stop now? Wasn't America greatest, before the Lincoln victory in November, 1860? If not, present the date you believe "America was first"?

 

[Chomsky]

There is no deny that Trump is like a monkey throwing feces at tourists.

I would roar with laughter when he did his "act."

It was brilliant! Just brilliant.

His foes had no answer for his juvenile approach to politics.

It never dawned on me that he would not put on his big boy pants if elected.

I was shocked, just shocked as it became clear that the bully 8th grader with failing grades was who he really was!

I never suspected his act was no act at all but really him.

That the deplorables love his ignorance, immaturity and lies also has astounded me.

Always I have respected people who voted other than I.

No more.

Now I see them as Hillary said, deplorable.

Awesome post, and accurate as hell! While I would probably stop short of declaring all Trump supporters as 'deplorable' en mass - though many are - I could have literally written every word you penned, here.

 

[post]

Interesting choice of words, because as I peruse the comment sections of Trump media sites, I'm seeing those exact words come-up. If Biden wins, they fear becoming culturally irrelevant 'again'. Those were the exact words I saw, and there might be some truth in that. Not that there will necessarily be intentional irrelevancy bestown upon them. But it will occur through the natural fall-out that will occur.

Chomsky, do you also see that the people you describe do not seem to understand who they are, due to the implications of what they communicate and their voting choices? I have not made up my mind as to whether most are merely sincerely unaware. It just seems too conveniently coincidental that almost universally, none indicate they think anything through or maintain anything close to reasonable self awareness. Insularity seems the most reasonable explanation, no matter how witting or unwitting they are, in their heart of hearts.

 

[post]

Awesome post, and accurate as hell! While I would probably stop short of declaring all Trump supporters as 'deplorable' en mass - though many are - I could have literally written every word you penned, here.

Now, now, don't go, all....

Two and a half years ago, I offered a no-prize to any reader who could identify any episode of Leave It to Beaver in which June Cleaver actually uttered the line, “Ward, you were awfully hard on the Beaver last night.” Nobody has stepped forward to claim that prize. ... – that Ward was hittin' it animal-style.Nov 16, 2012

Further Into the Beaver | The Classic TV History Blog
Further Into the Beaver | The Classic TV History Blog.

...now that we've experienced all that we have in this country since November, 2016. It's not like they are coming out in droves to express any contrition. It's not like they didn't eagerly block America's rare opportunity to elect the first female POTUS who also arguably happened to be the most qualified candidate to ever be a contender for that then esteemed office and service, in favor of the worst...

Oh wait! the majority of American voters did vote to elect the most qualified candidate, a historic choice, the first female.

 

[Chomsky]

Now, now, don't go, all....


...now that we've experienced all that we have in this country since November, 2016. It's not like they are coming out in droves to express any contrition. It's not like they didn't eagerly block America's rare opportunity to elect the first female POTUS who also arguably happened to be the most qualified candidate to ever be a contender for that then esteemed office and service, in favor of the worst...

Oh wait! the majority of American voters did vote to elect the most qualified candidate, a historic choice, the first female.

Yeah, you're right in the bolded. Thanks for the kind nudge in the right direction ...

 

[Chomsky]

Chomsky, do you also see that the people you describe do not seem to understand who they are, due to the implications of what they communicate and their voting choices? I have not made up my mind as to whether most are merely sincerely unaware. It just seems too conveniently coincidental that almost universally, none indicate they think anything through or maintain anything close to reasonable self awareness. Insularity seems the most reasonable explanation, no matter how witting or unwitting they are, in their heart of hearts.

I think the cultural marginalization has been very real.

It's been going-on for quite a few decades, since the 40's or more. And it accelerated as media exploded and we've become more media focussed. There are values and ways-of-life taking place in our rural areas, that many of us on the coasts or in the cities don't fully appreciate. Those values don't get picked-up & promoted that much by the current-day media, including the entertainment industry.

I greatly respect many of those aforementioned values & lifestyles. But unfortunately on the flip-side, theres a lot of 'deplorable' values that have also now been given rise - and that's a big problem. Those latter types of culture deserve & need to be marginalized!

 

[post]

I think the cultural marginalization has been very real.

It's been going on for quite a few decades, since the 40's or more. And it accelerated as media exploded and we've become more media focussed. There are values and ways-of-life taking place in our rural areas, that many of us on the coasts or in the cities don't fully appreciate. Those values don't get picked-up & promoted that much by the current-day media, including the entertainment industry. I greatly respect many of those values & lifestyles.

But unfortunately on the flip-side, theres a lot of 'deplorable' values that have also now been given rise, and that's a big problem. Those types of culture deserve & need to be marginalized!

At some point, all of us who are adults, reasonably concerned with the core challenges of economic security, the health of ourselves and our children and our parents, predictably would be influenced by what reasonably would seem to be many social concerns resulting in many political goals in common.

(IOW, not so distracted by who is "taking a knee", or spray painting graffiti on the walls of federal buildings or marrying their same-sex lover, or a strong inclination to relieve the wealthiest of progressive taxation out of concern for protection of their own yet to be even acquired, outsized wealth....)

Enter this group, enabled with "unique" agendas, goals, and priorities of what to protect and exploit....

Consider that the wealthiest "conservative" political donors and preachers of religious memes that have supported Reagan, the Bushes, and now, Trump, strenuously
vote in their own best financial and political influence interests.

But the none wealthy supporters of that "side of the aisle", never seem to understand that they're own, "kitchen table" best interests are dramatically divorced
from what is practically the best for wealthiest republican, and now, Trump party donors, and prosperity gospel, mega church luminaries and the TV preaching industry.

Church of The Donald - POLITICO Magazine
Church of The Donald - POLITICO Magazinewww.politico.com › magazine › story › 2018/04/22 › t...
Apr 22, 2018 - Last year, TBN renovated Twitty's personal auditorium, leveling the floor, ... “Huckabee” is part of a change under the leadership of Matt Crouch, ...

Private jets, 13 mansions and a $100,000 mobile home just for the dogs: Televangelists 'defrauded tens of million of dollars from Christian network' | Daily Mail Online
Private jets, 13 mansions and a $100,000 mobile home just for ..
Mar 23, 2012 - Among purchases, the network founded by Televangelists Paul and Jan Crouch, is accused of misappropriating its 'charitable assets' toward a $50 million jet, 13 mansions and a $100,000-mobile home for Mrs Crouch's dogs.

The combination of availability of affordable health insurance coverage, rural access to health care providers, the problem of denial being a strong symptom in reaction
to one's state of mental - emotional unwellness, rejection of science, aggravated by maggots like,

“Kochland” Examines the Koch Brothers’ Early, Crucial Role in Climate-Change Denial | The New Yorker
Aug 13, 2019 - A new book by Christopher Leonard reveals how Charles and David Koch crippled government action on climate change.

Suicide: Living near a gun shop or having a rural address puts you at higher risk, study says - CNN
Living near a gun shop or in a rural area puts you at higher risk for suicide, study says

By Jen Christensen, CNN

Updated 2:59 PM ET, Fri September 6, 2019
..The majority of the nearly 40,000 gun deaths in the United States in 2017 were due to suicide, according to US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data....

 

[Aunt Antifa]

(1)Hillary is a criminal.

(2)I cannot stand bureaucratic pretentious liberal politicians.

(3)Obama wasn't doing --- about Extremist Terrorism.

(4)Obamacare was an absolute mess, bankrupting Americans left and right.

Remember this answer the next time they tell you the only reason you’re voting for Biden is you hate the other guy.

 

[Chomsky]

At some point, all of us who are adults, reasonably concerned with the core challenges of economic security, the health of ourselves and our children and our parents, predictably would be influenced by what reasonably would seemto be many social concerns resulting in many political goals in common.

(IOW, not who is "taking a knee", or spray painting graffity on the walls of federal buildings or marrying their same-sex lover...)

Enter this group, enabled with "unique" agendas, goals, and priorities of what to protect and exploit....

Consider that the wealthiest "conservative" political donors and preachers of religious memes that have supported Reagan, the Bushes, and now, Trump, strenuously
vote in their own best financial and political influence interests.

But the none wealthy supporters of that "side of the aisle", never seem to understand that they're own, "kitchen table" best interests are dramatically divorced
from what is practically the best for wealthiest republican, and now, Trump party donors, and prosperity gospel, mega church luminaries and the TV preaching industry.



The combination of availability of affordable health insurance coverage, rural access to health care providers, the problem of denial being a strong symptom in reaction
to one's state of mental - emotional unwellness, rejection of science, aggravated by maggots like,

Alright, that's fair.

I suppose I was making the argument for principled Conservative lifestyles, which again I do respect. But this large segment of Trump/GOP supporters willing to vote against their and the country's best interests is confounding!

 

[chuckiechan]

A good economy is like a profitable business. When it is running good, you can achieve damn near anything.

We have 124 million taxpayers out of 330 million people. We need more people rowing the boat.