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Why did the CIA have Che Guevara killed?

Ah yes, I’m sure that was a real consolation to all those folks whacked by Cuban armed and supported insurgents and troops across Latin America and Africa. “Don’t worry, America supports worse in our opinion!” 🙄

Btw, no amount of whataboutism can change the brutality of Castro’s dictatorship, or the fact that Che was a raving psychopath.
Not so much defending Castro and Che, but recognizing that the efforts to destabilize the region involved getting buddy buddy with worse people who lead death and rape squads.
 
Oh yeah, that’s why they went after Allende in Chile. Marxists in Latin America have always felt close to the CIA.
Yep. He was replaced by someone many times more brutal and destructive but hey middle class yuppies wouldnt ignore bodies floating in their own waters now would they?
 
The victory of Salvador Allende in Chile's presidential election in 1970 gave the Soviet Union an opportunity to develop close ties with Chile. The victory of Allende's Unidad Popular, a coalition of Socialist, Communist, and miscellaneous leftist parties, demonstrated that perhaps Chile's government was ideologically and politically closer to the Soviet Union than any other South American country.



It was the Cold War.

By aligning himself with the Soviets, Allende declared war on America.

We Americans weren't going to allow another Cuba.

So we gave money and training to Allende's opponent. Nothing the Soviets weren't doing for Allende.


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Allende had hardly any alliances with the societs. That was the CIA being paranoid as usual. You know why Trump tried to tie antifa to Biden? That was similar propaganda used on Allende after he spent a lot of effort condemning the violent left. Allende was more a centrist when it comes to latin american politics of the time.
 
At best, the United States government, in 1973 and now, could do no more than plausibly deny the CIA's involvement in removing Allende from power.

To insist on a lack of CIA involvement speaks to a mindset and level of intransigence matching those who truly believe in a Flat Earth.

America and canada are truly the least self reflecting countries in the world.
 
I mean I don’t know much about Guatemala, but Mexico nationalized the oil industry before the US was involving themselves in other countries affairs, at least to the same degree. Plus the Mexican revolution and Cristeros war spilled over and caused lots of problems in America and so the US was willing just to have stable government in Mexico. We did sanction Mexico, but during World War Two the Mexicans agreed to supply us oil dirt cheap in exchange for forgiving the seizure

Then we probably shouldn't have caused the Mexican revolution, right?
 
Then we probably shouldn't have caused the Mexican revolution, right?
We didn’t cause the Mexican revolution.

American flip flopping and the belief of Woodrow Wilson (the left wing democrat) that he was the white Protestant who would solve all the problems of those brown Catholics certainly lengthened the revolution and made it more bloody, but we didn’t cause it.

I will grant that if we stayed uninvolved Huerta would’ve crushed the opposition, stayed in power, and kept the country stable though.
 
Allende had hardly any alliances with the societs. That was the CIA being paranoid as usual. You know why Trump tried to tie antifa to Biden? That was similar propaganda used on Allende after he spent a lot of effort condemning the violent left. Allende was more a centrist when it comes to latin american politics of the time.
Not true. Allende was not a centrist.

I don’t see how you can say Allende was trying to prevent a left wing revolution when he was bringing Castro to Chile to denounce the elected congress and unionized truckers as “fascists”
 
We didn’t cause the Mexican revolution.

Thank you for once again revealing that you don't know anything about history.

Like who Henry Wilson was, who the Madero brothers were and what Huerta did to them, and why.

You are, as they say, dismissed.
 
Thank you for once again revealing that you don't know anything about history.

Like who Henry Wilson was, who the Madero brothers were and what Huerta did to them, and why.

You are, as they say, dismissed.
Wilson (Henry) got involved and ran his own agenda after Porfirio was removed from power which started the revolution.

Porfirio was the centrist in Mexican politics. He managed to keep the country stable for 35 years then “liberals” removed him from power which caused the whole deck of cards to fall.
 
Wilson (Henry) got involved and ran his own agenda after Porfirio was removed from power which started the revolution.

Porfirio was the centrist in Mexican politics. He managed to keep the country stable for 35 years then “liberals” removed him from power which caused the whole deck of cards to fall.

LOL.

Still dismissed.
 
LOL.

Still dismissed.
Maderos former supporters began conspiracies to topple Madero almost as soon as he assumed the presidency, the play of Ayala was formulated two years before Huerta seized power
 
I dunno why the old adage “be careful in your pursuit to destroy monsters lest ye become one” is so hard to grasp for so many people.
 
The “make the economy scream” line is taken out of context. The economic sanctions applied to Chile arose after American companies had their property seized without recompense by the Chilean government under Allende. This is normal in trade relations. If you seize a property from another country you are subject to reprisal. Sometimes war.

Here’s some homework for you, go to Google earth and look up the city of Antofagasta Chile. That city was once the pacific port of Bolivia. Bolivia in the 1870s violated a treaty with Chile by seizing Chilean businesses without recompense and Chile invaded Bolivia and took their entire coastline. Leaving Bolivia landlocked.

So sorry, no tears there. Nothing personal.

As far as the coup went, Allende was never popular in Chile, he kind of is now because of leftist revisionism. In 1970 Allende was a dangerous radical who won 36% of the vote. Two thirds of Chileans voted against Allende.

The congress agreed to install him as president in exchange for promises not to enact certain policies. Allende immediately backtracked.

I have been to Chile btw and have explored the museum of national history in Santiago, along with the naval history museum in Valparaíso and have read extensively into the subject of Chilean history.
As I understand it, Allende was a Marxist duly elected, who gained some support in a subsequent election. But sorry, US fingerprints were all over what happened in Chile. Had Pinochet been elected and done some of the same things as a right wing dictator, the US would not have minded. And Allende would have had to do a lot to match Pinochet's record.

 
As I understand it, Allende was a Marxist duly elected, who gained some support in a subsequent election. But sorry, US fingerprints were all over what happened in Chile. Had Pinochet been elected and done some of the same things as a right wing dictator, the US would not have minded. And Allende would have had to do a lot to match Pinochet's record.



Nobody is denying we helped get rid of Allende by providing money and training to his opponent.

The Soviets gave money and training to Allende.


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Where is the evidence the CIA ordered his death? When he was captured he was acting as a guerrila terrorist attempting to overthrow a government and taking arms against the Country's military.

I would think modern day leftists would be grateful Che is dead. He was an open racist, had homosexuals raped, tortured, and murdered, and he despised people with their hands out unwilling to work. In fact I would think the only thing they REALLY have in common is their understanding of how economies actually work.

"Che's former deputy Ernesto Betancourt, subsequently the director of the US government-funded Radio Martí and an early ally turned Castro-critic, accused Guevara of being "ignorant of the most elementary economic principles."
 
Bottom line in discussing this Cold War period is that the US and the Soviet Union acted as empires always had with their colonies or spheres of influence. Soviets had Hungary in 1956, US had Guatemala in 1954. Soviets had Czechoslovakia in 1968, US had the Dominican Republic in 1965. Soviets had Poland in 1981. US had Chile in 1973. (Grenada was comic relief, a country the size of Detroit and less dangerous to invade.) US justification was the Soviet imprisonment of Eastern Europe. Soviet justification was 20 million dead in WWII. The US was invading Latin American countries long before the Iron Curtain fell. Russia no doubt did some of the same. Both empires acted as if the countries they pushed around had no history. Eastern European history for the Soviet apologists might as well have started with Hitler's invasion in 1939. Latin American history for US's apologists started with Cuba's revolution in 1959.

Taking the long view of history, is there that much difference between the roles of resistance (not tactics) between that of Lech Walesa vis-a-vis Russia's empire and Daniel Ortega (before his tyrannical side was exposed) vis-a- vis the US's, and for that matter between them and Vercingetorix vis-a-vis Rome's?
 
Nobody is denying we helped get rid of Allende by providing money and training to his opponent.

The Soviets gave money and training to Allende.


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As one does with an ally or potential ally. Funding the opposition to an elected government, however, is considered dirty pool, whether it's left-wing guerillas or coup plotters from the right.
 
As one does with an ally or potential ally. Funding the opposition to an elected government, however, is considered dirty pool, whether it's left-wing guerillas or coup plotters from the right.
Allende was not “elected” he won 35% of the popular vote in a three way race. The coup was at the request of Congress which was elected and held a majority opposition to Allende
 
Nobody is denying we helped get rid of Allende by providing money and training to his opponent.

The Soviets gave money and training to Allende.


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And the US gets to hold some responsibility for the blood Pinochet spilled. Hands down our aide to pinochet helped bring to power someone 100x more bloodthirsty and sinister than Allende could dream of being.
 
Allende was not “elected” he won 35% of the popular vote in a three way race. The coup was at the request of Congress which was elected and held a majority opposition to Allende
I would remind you that Trump was not elected by a majority in 2016. He still was a legit president, as was Allende by Chile's laws.
 
And the US gets to hold some responsibility for the blood Pinochet spilled. Hands down our aide to pinochet helped bring to power someone 100x more bloodthirsty and sinister than Allende could dream of being.


Allende would've been worse.

Just because Allende sided with the Soviets doesn't make him a saint, quite the opposite.


I'm not sure where your hatred of America stems from.

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"I know you've come to kill me. Shoot, coward! You are only going to kill a man!" Terán hesitated, then pointed his self-loading M2 carbine[238] at Guevara and opened fire, hitting him in the arms and legs.[239] Then, as Guevara writhed on the ground, apparently biting one of his wrists to avoid crying out, Terán fired another burst, fatally wounding him in the chest. Guevara was pronounced dead at 1:10 pm local time according to Rodríguez.[239] In all, Guevara was shot nine times by Terán. This included five times in his legs, once in the right shoulder and arm, and once in the chest and throat.[233]




Lot's of propaganda in the Wikipedia article. Looks like the Cubans have gone over it.

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he was a stalinist terrorist (satanist), nothing strange that the truly Catholics killed this devil ....
 
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