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Why did Jesus get angry at the Temple?

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He called it a den of THIEVES. What did the sellers do wrong? Jesus called them robbers. Was what they were doing robbery? I thought mutual consent is all that's required to make a transaction moral. ;)
 
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In order to give money to the temple, you had to exchange your dirty "street" money for clean "holy" money. The exchange took a cut, say 20%, so poor people couldn't afford to tithe. That meant that poor people were less holy than rich people.

This pissed Jesus off and he went into the temple and threw all the money changers out.

Jesus said that in God's eyes, everyone is equal. Nobody is more holy than anyone else.
 
phattonez said:
He called it a den of THIEVES. What did the sellers do wrong? Jesus called them robbers. Was what they were doing robbery? I thought mutual consent is all that's required to make a transaction moral. ;)
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maybe its because people have to get angry over stuff because their gods are fake and wont do it for them?
 
phattonez said:
He called it a den of THIEVES. What did the sellers do wrong? Jesus called them robbers. Was what they were doing robbery? I thought mutual consent is all that's required to make a transaction moral. ;)
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What temple; what Jesus?

That **** is myth. But, it is possible that some dude did what they claim the Jesus man did back in the day.
 
phattonez said:
He called it a den of THIEVES. What did the sellers do wrong? Jesus called them robbers. Was what they were doing robbery? I thought mutual consent is all that's required to make a transaction moral. ;)
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Because he was a self righteous obnoxious egotist that didn't think about other people's desire to work and make money. Anger is a sin. That shows he just was not qualified to be the messiah, or be called 'son of god'
 
RAMOSS said:
Because he was a self righteous obnoxious egotist that didn't think about other people's desire to work and make money. Anger is a sin. That shows he just was not qualified to be the messiah, or be called 'son of god'
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Anger is not a sin if exercised in the right way...it is a human emotion, of which Jesus was...he drove out those who were defiling God’s temple as well as violating the Law of Moses by making Jehovah’s house a house of merchandise, it was through no uncontrolled, unjustified fit of anger, but he was showing his zeal for the house of Jehovah...Jesus' anger was justified...even Jehovah God gets angry...anger governed by love for righteousness and for those practicing righteousness is not a sin...
 
Elvira said:
Anger is not a sin if exercised in the right way...it is a human emotion, of which Jesus was...he drove out those who were defiling God’s temple as well as violating the Law of Moses by making Jehovah’s house a house of merchandise, it was through no uncontrolled, unjustified fit of anger, but he was showing his zeal for the house of Jehovah...Jesus' anger was justified...even Jehovah God gets angry...anger governed by love for righteousness and for those practicing righteousness is not a sin...
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OF course it's a sin. It's always a sin. God told me.
 
Elvira said:
Anger is not a sin if exercised in the right way...it is a human emotion, of which Jesus was...he drove out those who were defiling God’s temple as well as violating the Law of Moses by making Jehovah’s house a house of merchandise, it was through no uncontrolled, unjustified fit of anger, but he was showing his zeal for the house of Jehovah...Jesus' anger was justified...even Jehovah God gets angry...anger governed by love for righteousness and for those practicing righteousness is not a sin...
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7 deadly sins:

1. Envy
2. Sloth
3. Wrath
4. Pride
5. Greed
6. Gluttony
7. Lust
 
RAMOSS said:
OF course it's a sin. It's always a sin. God told me.
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Someone did...I will have to look up where that came from.

The origins of the seven deadly sins are nebulous and likely trace back to before Hellenistic Greece. Furthermore, some interesting research has been done on how people weigh these sins.

The traditional seven deadly sins—as portrayed in Dante’s Inferno and Chaucer’s Canterbury Tales—include pride, envy, anger, sloth, greed, gluttony, and lust. Although this list has gone through various iterations in Christian liturgy, its foundations are more archetype than religious history. After all, the seven deadly sins aren’t even mentioned in the Bible.

All religions recognize that evil can result from human agency...

Where Did the 7 Deadly Sins Come From? | Psychology Today
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Ah, people came up with them to describe...people.
 
calamity said:
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7 deadly sins:

1. Envy
2. Sloth
3. Wrath
4. Pride
5. Greed
6. Gluttony
7. Lust
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Unjustified and uncontrolled wrath, yes...that type of anger often does lead to sin...for example, Cain and Abel, Esau and Jacob, Saul and David, or the stoning of Stephen...
 
Elvira said:
Unjustified and uncontrolled wrath, yes...that type of anger often does lead to sin...for example, Cain and Abel, Esau and Jacob, Saul and David, or the stoning of Stephen...
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I'm not saying what Jesus allegedly did at the temple is wrong. But, anger is a sin. After all, he could have negotiated calmly with those men, made them an offer which resulted in happy faces on all sides. Instead, he pissed them off, and that's probably what got him killed.

In real life, this is a very important lesson. Always look to "buy someone out" whenever possible. Pissing a rival or scorned party off when a few bucks passed along to them would have settled the score is a good way to get yourself killed. I speak from experience. Just saying.
 
phattonez said:
He called it a den of THIEVES. What did the sellers do wrong? Jesus called them robbers. Was what they were doing robbery? I thought mutual consent is all that's required to make a transaction moral. ;)
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The storyteller was attempting an appeal to tradition by tying the Jesus characterization in with the revered prophet Jeremiah (the whole of chapter 7; but especially verse 11).


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Yes, the money changers encountered Jesus' wrath for not giving the faithful full value for their coins, but it was worse than that.

The money changers paid a 'franchise fee' to the temple to provide their 'services.' Furthermore, the requirement was that the people had to provide a sacrifice to the temple, a lamb, or if the faithful could not afford a lamb, an unblemished dove. The faithful would purchase the sacrifice with 'temple money' and the sacrifice would then be taken to the priests who would take the animal into the temple, out of sight of the people to make the sacrifice on their behalf. At least that is the way it was supposed to work.

In reality, the sacrifice would be taken out the back of the temple and returned to the franchisee merchant, who would then sell the same animal to the next unsuspecting mark. All in all, it was a ripoff of epic proportions and it pissed Jesus off to no end. Hence, his very righteous anger.

Jesus had to be silenced, not just for his outrageous behavior in the temple, but more because this itinerant preacher was gaining much popularity among the people. On more than one occasion, he drew crowds in excess of 5000 people.

The priests who were in charge of the temple were allowed to remain in their positions of power and influence only because the Roman occupiers allowed them to do so. In exchange, the priests were responsible for keeping the people calm and docile. The Romans were there to extract the resources of the land to the benefit of the Roman Empire. Putting down insurrections was costly and inefficient, so they relied on the local power brokers to control the masses. Failure to do so would result in the priests being removed and replaced with those who were more capable.

Jesus was silenced because they feared he would gain so much influence that the people would rise up against the temple, with Jesus as their leader.
 
He was looking for a hooker and they wanted money for one.
 
RAMOSS said:
Because he was a self righteous obnoxious egotist that didn't think about other people's desire to work and make money. Anger is a sin. That shows he just was not qualified to be the messiah, or be called 'son of god'
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Why does Judaism hate God so much? Mammon>God, eh?
 
calamity said:
I'm not saying what Jesus allegedly did at the temple is wrong. But, anger is a sin. After all, he could have negotiated calmly with those men, made them an offer which resulted in happy faces on all sides. Instead, he pissed them off, and that's probably what got him killed.

In real life, this is a very important lesson. Always look to "buy someone out" whenever possible. Pissing a rival or scorned party off when a few bucks passed along to them would have settled the score is a good way to get yourself killed. I speak from experience. Just saying.
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Anger and wrath are similar but distinct concepts.
 
phattonez said:
Why does Judaism hate God so much? Mammon>God, eh?
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Why it doesn't hate god. It just doesn't like a man who is worshiped as a god.
 
RAMOSS said:
Why it doesn't hate god. It just doesn't like a man who is worshiped as a god.
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As if Jesus was the only time your people rejected God. Jesus did just what Nehemiah would have done.
 
phattonez said:
As if Jesus was the only time your people rejected God. Jesus did just what Nehemiah would have done.
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Of course, that's not true at all. However, it just shows how much you hate the Jewish faith , because you lie about it so much.
 
RAMOSS said:
Of course, that's not true at all. However, it just shows how much you hate the Jewish faith , because you lie about it so much.
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Oh so God gave up Judah to Babylon because of their fidelity to God?
 
calamity said:
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7 deadly sins:

1. Envy
2. Sloth
3. Wrath
4. Pride
5. Greed
6. Gluttony
7. Lust
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The seven deadly sins are not scriptural. They were written originally by a pope and then added to by St. Thomas Aquinas.
 
Anger is not sinful, but can lead to sin. If Jesus has killed or injured anyone in the temple then it could have been considered sinful because it was driven by anger. He made His point and it was clearly not to be misunderstood. The Bible says "In your anger, do not sin.."
 
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