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Why did America side with Israel 60 years ago before arab terrorism was heard of ? (1 Viewer)

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I wonder. Could it be influencial Jews in the USA ?
For sure there was no need for America to have been so one sided in it's M East stance. It had no enemies in the arab world until it backed the zionists against the arabs. Of course 60 years down the line after Israel annexed so much land & kicked people off that land who had lived there peacefully for centuries, there are extremist Arabs who now hate the US. But isn't that the fault of the US because it backed zionists, it armed the zionists, many of whom behaved like Nazis toward the arabs ?
I mean even Einstien thought the Zionists behaved like terrorists:-
He signed this letter to the NY times.
http://www.globalwebpost.com/farooqm/study_res/einstein/nyt_letter.html

Attack on Arab Village

A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants — 240 men, women, and children — and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin.

The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of the Freedom Party.

Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model.

During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute.

The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detracted from the Jewish defense activity. Their much-publicized immigration endeavors were minute, and devoted mainly to bringing in Fascist compatriots.

Discrepancies Seen

The discrepancies between the bold claims now being made by Begin and his party, and their record of past performance in Palestine bear the imprint of no ordinary political party. This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a “Leader State” is the goal.

In the light of the foregoing considerations, it is imperative that the truth about Mr. Begin and his movement be made known in this country. It is all the more tragic that the top leadership of American Zionism has refused to campaign against Begin’s efforts, or even to expose to its own constituents the dangers to Israel from support to Begin.

The undersigned therefore take this means of publicly presenting a few salient facts concerning Begin and his party; and of urging all concerned not to support this latest manifestation of fascism.

(signed)

Isidore Abramowitz, Hannah Arendt, Abraham Brick, Rabbi Jessurun Cardozo, Albert Einstein, Herman Eisen, M.D., Hayim Fineman, M. Gallen, M.D., H.H. Harris, Zelig S. Harris, Sidney Hook, Fred Karush, Bruria Kaufman, Irma L. Lindheim, Nachman Maisel, Symour Melman, Myer D. Mendelson, M.D., Harry M. Orlinsky, Samuel Pitlick, Fritz Rohrlich, Louis P. Rocker, Ruth Sager, Itzhak Sankowsky, I.J. Schoenberg, Samuel Shuman, M. Znger, Irma Wolpe, Stefan Wolpe

New York, Dec. 2, 1948
 
pobinr said:
I wonder. Could it be influencial Jews in the USA ?
For sure there was no need for America to have been so one sided in it's M East stance. It had no enemies in the arab world until it backed the zionists against the arabs. Of course 60 years down the line after Israel annexed so much land & kicked people off that land who had lived there peacefully for centuries, there are extremist Arabs who now hate the US. But isn't that the fault of the US because it backed zionists, it armed the zionists, many of whom behaved like Nazis toward the arabs ?
I mean even Einstien thought the Zionists behaved like terrorists:-
He signed this letter to the NY times.
http://www.globalwebpost.com/farooqm/study_res/einstein/nyt_letter.html

Attack on Arab Village

A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants — 240 men, women, and children — and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin.

The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of the Freedom Party.

Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model.

During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute.

The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detracted from the Jewish defense activity. Their much-publicized immigration endeavors were minute, and devoted mainly to bringing in Fascist compatriots.

Discrepancies Seen

The discrepancies between the bold claims now being made by Begin and his party, and their record of past performance in Palestine bear the imprint of no ordinary political party. This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a “Leader State” is the goal.

In the light of the foregoing considerations, it is imperative that the truth about Mr. Begin and his movement be made known in this country. It is all the more tragic that the top leadership of American Zionism has refused to campaign against Begin’s efforts, or even to expose to its own constituents the dangers to Israel from support to Begin.

The undersigned therefore take this means of publicly presenting a few salient facts concerning Begin and his party; and of urging all concerned not to support this latest manifestation of fascism.

(signed)

Isidore Abramowitz, Hannah Arendt, Abraham Brick, Rabbi Jessurun Cardozo, Albert Einstein, Herman Eisen, M.D., Hayim Fineman, M. Gallen, M.D., H.H. Harris, Zelig S. Harris, Sidney Hook, Fred Karush, Bruria Kaufman, Irma L. Lindheim, Nachman Maisel, Symour Melman, Myer D. Mendelson, M.D., Harry M. Orlinsky, Samuel Pitlick, Fritz Rohrlich, Louis P. Rocker, Ruth Sager, Itzhak Sankowsky, I.J. Schoenberg, Samuel Shuman, M. Znger, Irma Wolpe, Stefan Wolpe

New York, Dec. 2, 1948


Again, you terrorists fail to realize that Israel is on land that was known as JUDEA, until a jew-hating roman general changed it's name to palestine. As such, you arabs have ZERO CLAIM TO THE LAND AND YOU NEED TO SHUT YOUR HOLES!!!!

:cool:
 
Re: Why did America side with Israel 60 years ago before arab terrorism was heard of

I particularly got a laugh out of the claim there was no Arab terrorism 60 years ago. I guess he's never read his own history, if he indeed is Arab.

much land & kicked people off that land who had lived there peacefully for centuries,

ROFL ... here we have the claim they 'lived there for centuries', and were 'kicked off it by Jews' ... truly funny stuff ... completely ignores history as well.

And never mind most Arabs went Nazi during the 1930's, including IRanian Persians, so using a Nazi analogy is particularly funny, especially in light of the Head Asteroid Worshipper in Tehran hosting a Holocaust Denial Conference for his fellow Nazis.
 
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Vader said:
Again, you terrorists fail to realize that Israel is on land that was known as JUDEA, until a jew-hating roman general changed it's name to palestine. As such, you arabs have ZERO CLAIM TO THE LAND AND YOU NEED TO SHUT YOUR HOLES!!!!

:cool:
Why did you call him a terrorist?
 
::Major_Baker:: said:
Why did you call him a terrorist?

pobin IS a terrorist because those who support terrorists and terrorism ARE TERRORISTS :mrgreen:
 
Re: Why did America side with Israel 60 years ago before arab terrorism was heard of

Sixty years ago the US, Europe and the new UN were just keeping a promise they had made twenty years earlier when the victors of WWI carved up the Austrian and Ottoman empires. The would-be gods made a hash of it, and the new countries they created have often been unstable. Two of them, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia, have broken up completely and there have been border disputes and "adjustments" in other areas.

That's why the US supported Israel sixty years ago.

On the day after Israel declared independence (with the UN blessing), it was attacked by armies from all of its Arab neighbors. Americans seem to have a soft spot for the underdog anyway and, having just fought WWII, had no patience with more aggression.

That's why the US has supported Israel against aggression ever since.
 
Oh, those "influencial Jews", always plotting and scheming and pulling strings behind the scenes. Now, where have I heard that before?



Hmmmmmm, hmmmmmmm

Oh, yeah, now I remember! Hitler's speeches! Those were all full of similar charges and he sure warned us all about those influencial Jews, didn't he? Oh oh oh oh, and the Protocals of the Elders of Zion that came out of Russia, too! THey told us just how those influencial Jews", and even laid out how they perform their plots and schemes . That is SO cool!! You have hit upon some universal truths.

Man, to be able to talk just like those fine people who held their pogroms and exterminated Jews just like they were cockroaches. Great job!
 
Dont you think the muslims should get there holy land to or do the isrealite get it all :confused:
 
Gardener said:
Oh, those "influencial Jews", always plotting and scheming and pulling strings behind the scenes. Now, where have I heard that before?



Hmmmmmm, hmmmmmmm

Oh, yeah, now I remember! Hitler's speeches! Those were all full of similar charges and he sure warned us all about those influencial Jews, didn't he? Oh oh oh oh, and the Protocals of the Elders of Zion that came out of Russia, too! THey told us just how those influencial Jews", and even laid out how they perform their plots and schemes . That is SO cool!! You have hit upon some universal truths.

Man, to be able to talk just like those fine people who held their pogroms and exterminated Jews just like they were cockroaches. Great job!
Israel is like Hitler know but replace Jews with Arabs and replace death camps with the Gaza strip. They moved all the Palestine's into the Gaza Strip and then bomb it? Don't forget that Israel controlls everything their talk about a slow and painfull death.
 
nogoodname said:
Dont you think the muslims should get there holy land to or do the isrealite get it all :confused:

They've already got it as everyone knows.

Muslims control the whole Peninsula where Islam began, the Arabian, contianing Mecca and Medina.

As for Israel . . .

David was king of the Jews, in Jerusalem, in 1400 BC.
Mohammed started his band cult in 632 AD.

The Jews beat you to Jerusalem by 200 years. In addition to the fact that the NAME means "Temple of the Jews" and it was built by Jews before David Ruled over it.
 
Hey Nogoodname, why don't you explain what a dhimmi is ?
 
Voidwar said:
Hey Nogoodname, why don't you explain what a dhimmi is ?
sort of like a non-Muslim citizen governed in accordance with Islamic law. But why does it matter?
 
nogoodname said:
sort of like a non-Muslim citizen governed in accordance with Islamic law. But why does it matter?

It matters beause it proves that the arabs are ruled by a corrupt group of zealots who do not seperate church and state. This is the cause of 100000000000000000000000000% of the terrorist activities in the middle east.

:roll: :shock: :2wave:
 
Vader said:
It matters beause it proves that the arabs are ruled by a corrupt group of zealots who do not seperate church and state. This is the cause of 100000000000000000000000000% of the terrorist activities in the middle east.

:roll: :shock: :2wave:
Your point?:shock: I never said i support terroists.
 
nogoodname said:
Your point?:shock: I never said i support terroists.


You may not have said it openly but your actions as well as your responses, which clearly show support for terrorists and a given lack of historical knowledge about the middle east, clearly say that you support terrorists. :roll:

Of course, I may be mistaken. I tend to get nasty with people when they blindly follow the lies of a group of theocratic islamic terrorists. (By this I mean you believe that the jews stole ancient judea from the arabs. THIS IS WRONG... the jews didn't steal it from anybody... God gave it to them 3000 years before there were arabs on it.)
 
Noticed a typo in my earlier post. . .

The Jews predate the Arabs there by over 2000 years, not 200

1400 BCE = David the King

632 AD = Mohammed the bandit.
 
60 years ago high gas prices were unheard of as well. When Isreal started a war with its neighbors in 1967, OPEC cut off supply, but it didn't really affect us.

In the 1973 war the Arabs launched to get the 1967 losses back, Israel was so close to defeat it needed our supplies. OPEC told us they would boycott us, but we decided to help Israel anyway. That was the start of expensive gasoline, but I'm sure if we could go back we'd be like "hey, you know i hear rhodesia's real nice"
 
Re: Why did America side with Israel 60 years ago before arab terrorism was heard of

Joby said:
60 years ago high gas prices were unheard of as well. When Isreal started a war with its neighbors in 1967, OPEC cut off supply, but it didn't really affect us.

In the 1973 war the Arabs launched to get the 1967 losses back, Israel was so close to defeat it needed our supplies. OPEC told us they would boycott us, but we decided to help Israel anyway. That was the start of expensive gasoline, but I'm sure if we could go back we'd be like "hey, you know i hear rhodesia's real nice"

OPEC needs to be delt with. They are a collection of terrorist-loving scumbags that do nothing by inflict their anger on innocent civilians everywhere. How? By rasing the price of oil, which does NOTHING to the governmental body and everything to the civilian populace.

:3oops:
 
"Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan."
 
nogoodname said:
Dont you think the muslims should get there holy land to or do the isrealite get it all :confused:
They have it.
 
Vader said:
You may not have said it openly but your actions as well as your responses, which clearly show support for terrorists and a given lack of historical knowledge about the middle east, clearly say that you support terrorists. :roll:

Of course, I may be mistaken. I tend to get nasty with people when they blindly follow the lies of a group of theocratic islamic terrorists. (By this I mean you believe that the jews stole ancient judea from the arabs. THIS IS WRONG... the jews didn't steal it from anybody... God gave it to them 3000 years before there were arabs on it.)
lack of knowledge? Are you on crack i said the Jews had the land first but they left. I know alot more then you think if u want to test ask it. I can explain the whole thing on how isreal came into existance.
 
Re: Why did America side with Israel 60 years ago before arab terrorism was heard of

Joby said:
When Isreal started a war with its neighbors in 1967, OPEC cut off supply, but it didn't really affect us.
That's not exactly the way it went down. The UN had a "peacekeeping" force in place for a while, but Nasser closed the straits to Israel (an act of war) in 1967, rolled his armies up to the UN lines, waved his thumb at them and told them to get out. The blue hats moved so fast that they left their dignity and credibility on the sand forever, and didn't even tell the Secretary General until their little backsides were safe. Under the circumstances, with war having been declared and any hope for a diplomatic settlement gone, the Israelis did the sensible thing and fired first. It took them half an hour to dispose of the Egyptian air force, and the ground war led to the joke about the Egyptian deserter who left the ranks to stand and fight. The only Arab army that put up even half a fight was the Arab Legion of Jordan, and then only because they had been trained by British officers.

It's also worth noting that the Israelis gave back all the territory they took from the two nations - Egypt and Jordan - who were willing to recognize Israel as a legitimate nation and make peace, although that didn't happen until after the 1973 war when Israel had to prove, yet again, that their victory was not an accident.
 
nogoodname said:
lack of knowledge? Are you on crack i said the Jews had the land first but they left. I know alot more then you think if u want to test ask it. I can explain the whole thing on how isreal came into existance.


Sorry man! I misuderstood. :)
 

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