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Why Delays Prosecution Will be Successful

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For those who are still claiming that the indictments of Tom Delay are part of a witch hunt, documents directly linking Delay with the money laundering scheme have now been leaked from the grand jury. Looks like these documents are the smoking gun which shows that Tom Delay knew exactly what he was doing.

Photocopies of the incriminating Delay documents are here. They have all been combined into a PDF file.
 

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danarhea said:
For those who are still claiming that the indictments of Tom Delay are part of a witch hunt, documents directly linking Delay with the money laundering scheme have now been leaked from the grand jury. Looks like these documents are the smoking gun which shows that Tom Delay knew exactly what he was doing.

Photocopies of the incriminating Delay documents are here. They have all been combined into a PDF file.




Better hope not, ...otherwise there WILL be many democrats who had wished they had fallen on their own swords because MANY of them operate no different than what Delay did, & does with regard to campaign finance, & contributions to their own state party base hopefuls!

Ronnie Earle could not even get a previous grand jury to indict Delay because his own lawyers told Earle, "there really is not any evidence of real wrongdoing here".

Earle simply just went grand jury hunting until he found one "willing" to get Delay, ..just as Earle had MADE the statement he was going to bring down Delay earlier!

Why...somebody has to "get Delay" because Delay is much too successful, effective & competent in his position, ...something his opponents are not very good at these days, ..right? (huh huh...) :smile:

I tell you this, ...IF the democrats are NOT successful in getting Delay prosecuted. (I know, you think it has nothing to do with the democrats huh?)
The democrats are going to wish THEY never heard of Ronnie Earle, ..& you can take that to the bank! ;)

The democrats could NOT set up a drunk to take a fall, & that is the truth!
 

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Stu Ghatze said:
Better hope not, ...otherwise there WILL be many democrats who had wished they had fallen on their own swords because mANY of them operate no different than what Delay did, & dioes with regard to campaign finance, & contributions to their own state party base hopefuls!

Ronnie EArle could not even get a previous grand jury to indict Delay because his own lawyers told Earlr, "there really is not any evidence of real wrongdoing here".

Earle simply just went grand jury hunting until he found one "willing" to get Delay, ..just as Earle had MADE the statement he was going to bring down Delay earlier!

Why...somebody has to "get Delay" because Delay is much too successful, effective & competent in his position, ...something his opponents are not very good at these days, ..right? (huh huh...) :smile:

I tell you this, ...IF the democrats are NOT successful in getting Delay prosecuted. (I know, you think it has nothing to do with the democrats huh?)
THe democrats are going to wish THEY never heard of Ronnie Earle, ..& you can take that to the bank! ;)
Nice spin. Do you deny the existence of the documents? Also, if Democrats end up being indicted, I say let em all burn together.
 

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your enemies are the elite ,they control your leaders,courts,and lives.

the only way to get out of the systems is to bring the whole system down

they have you by the proverbial balls
the fighting between the parties to see which party is the most corrpt
amounts to apathy and apathy only
 
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danarhea said:
Nice spin. Do you deny the existence of the documents? Also, if Democrats end up being indicted, I say let em all burn together.


Its NO spin, as everybody knows the democratic party never can get empowered by the voters UNLESS some scandal invented by democrats, or democrat crony's are successful at smearing through inuendo, rumor, or even the same behavior that they themselves engage in that is overlooked.

It amazes me, "liberals" want terror suspects given a fair trial for MURDER, or accomplice in murder, & yet....the democrats(most) of them want Delay, a politician to have the "aura" of guilt placed on him because of his successful politics!

Do liberals have any equivalency, or understand any differences here...? Sure, lets destroy a man because he hurts their cause!:roll:

I do not think before it is ALL over that Delay will be successfully prosecuted, & I'm willing to bet that there are probably a host of democrats who deep down do not want to see him prosecuted either, ...more for their own mischief that will label their party as hypocrites.

All politics is mostly dirty anyway, ...its just that bringing proof of breaking laws, & committing a felony knowingly is a far cry from what many think is being done here.

It appears as a political smear job. How does one get their name back, even if not prosecuted successfully. It is as IF they WANT the name of Tom Delay to forever be associated with guilt, & corruption etc.

That HAS ALWAYS been the artwork of the democratic party in its modus operandi.

Its the very same crap being attempted on Karl Rove. Why....? Because Rove is the architect of the DNC's misery & failure!

No mystery there, as is the attempted NEW smear job on Bill Frist, ...gotta destroy him too cause' he is the majority leader. Lets get him on phoney insider trading deals. Who cares when he sold his OWN stock, it was HIS OWN money, & his own family business?
 

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Its NO spin, as everybody knows the democratic party never can get empowered by the voters UNLESS some scandal invented by democrats, or democrat crony's are successful at smearing through inuendo, rumor, or even the same behavior that they themselves engage in that is overlooked.

It amazes me, "liberals" want terror suspects given a fair trial for MURDER, or accomplice in murder, & yet....the democrats(most) of them want Delay, a politician to have the "aura" of guilt placed on him because of his successful politics!

Do liberals have any equivalency, or understand any differences here...? Sure, lets destroy a man because he hurts their cause!:roll:

I do not think before it is ALL over that Delay will be successfully prosecuted, & I'm willing to bet that there are probably a host of democrats who deep down do not want to see him prosecuted either, ...more for their own mischief that will label their party as hypocrites.

All politics is mostly dirty anyway, ...its just that bringing proof of breaking laws, & committing a felony knowingly is a far cry from what many think is being done here.

It appears as a political smear job. How does one get their name back, even if not prosecuted successfully. It is as IF they WANT the name of Tom Delay to forever be associated with guilt, & corruption etc.

That HAS ALWAYS been the artwork of the democratic party in its modus operandi.

Its the very same crap being attempted on Karl Rove. Why....? Because Rove is the architect of the DNC's misery & failure!

No mystery there, as is the attempted NEW smear job on Bill Frist, ...gotta destroy him too cause' he is the majority leader. Lets get him on phoney insider trading deals. Who cares when he sold his OWN stock, it was HIS OWN money, & his own family business?
I saw the same old stale arguments by the Democrats when it was Clinton being hauled before the grand jury, but there was a stain on a blue dress.

Once again, do you deny the existence of the documents?
 

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Stu Ghatze said:
Its NO spin, as everybody knows the democratic party never can get empowered by the voters UNLESS some scandal invented by democrats, or democrat crony's are successful at smearing through inuendo, rumor, or even the same behavior that they themselves engage in that is overlooked.

It amazes me, "liberals" want terror suspects given a fair trial for MURDER, or accomplice in murder, & yet....the democrats(most) of them want Delay, a politician to have the "aura" of guilt placed on him because of his successful politics!

Do liberals have any equivalency, or understand any differences here...? Sure, lets destroy a man because he hurts their cause!:roll:

I do not think before it is ALL over that Delay will be successfully prosecuted, & I'm willing to bet that there are probably a host of democrats who deep down do not want to see him prosecuted either, ...more for their own mischief that will label their party as hypocrites.

All politics is mostly dirty anyway, ...its just that bringing proof of breaking laws, & committing a felony knowingly is a far cry from what many think is being done here.

It appears as a political smear job. How does one get their name back, even if not prosecuted successfully. It is as IF they WANT the name of Tom Delay to forever be associated with guilt, & corruption etc.

That HAS ALWAYS been the artwork of the democratic party in its modus operandi.

Its the very same crap being attempted on Karl Rove. Why....? Because Rove is the architect of the DNC's misery & failure!

No mystery there, as is the attempted NEW smear job on Bill Frist, ...gotta destroy him too cause' he is the majority leader. Lets get him on phoney insider trading deals. Who cares when he sold his OWN stock, it was HIS OWN money, & his own family business?
Stu, are you serious? DeLay has no freaking morals. I admire someone who is successful who has been honest in reaching success. If you look up scumbag in the dictionary, DeLay's picture is there. I have absolutely NO shame in saying that I hope he gets indicted and then convicted. The arrogance of Nixon and his men got them into serious trouble, and they deserved it. The Republicans with all their promoting that they would bring back honesty to Congress 10 years ago, LOL. It looks like they will be needing to eat those words.

As to Frist, you are blind. The SEC and the Dept. of Justice are investigating his sale. Is everyone out to get the republicans? Are the people who are doing the investigation at the SEC and Justice democrats and want to take down Frist?

I guess you haven't noticed a pattern here among the Republicans. BTW, Fitzgerald (who may be indicting Rove) is a Republican.

It's fascinating to me to see how scrared the Republicans are that they have to make up excuses for people who have shown no "moral values." In fact, I'm reveling in how insecure the Repubs are right now. :rofl
 

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I posted this on another thread, but I think it bears repeating.

Even if Delay is cleared of all charges, once you lose power in Washington, you do not get that power back.

The 'Hammer' is done, and rightfully so. He's had his hand slapped more than once by House Ethics committees...you'd think he would've learned?
 

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I don't know about that one comment about Democrats having to "invent scandals" to get into a high position, but Delay is still a crook. I don't care what party Delay is from, he committed a crime and needs to be punished for it (If only Ted Kennedy was thrown in prison for killing that woman). Delay is about as bad as Tricky Dicky and Slick Willy (Nixon and Clinton).
 

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danarhea said:
I saw the same old stale arguments by the Democrats when it was Clinton being hauled before the grand jury, but there was a stain on a blue dress.

Once again, do you deny the existence of the documents?



The difference there was the fact that Clinton DID lie under oath. His apologists just wanted the bit about his having sex trivialized.

Well...sex is sex, not that sex is the big issue here with Clinton, & oh how he loved to grope women, & exploit them when he could. Imagine a young intern saving a semen stained dress in like form of a 'trophy', ...which also explains the mindset of the whole Clintonesque clique.

I do not care about the documents because anybody can make anything look the way they want them to look.

AS I see it, because of Clinton the terror activity in America WAS overlooked, & his response to it was no more than like a spitball from him.

Clinton was a good administrator & successful politician, ..I will give him that but he lacked courage, & had few cares of any morality concerns. Clinton would be whatever he thought he should be to get elected, ..just as his disingenuine wife is today!

THe audacity of Hillary attempting to force wholesale change upon Americans healthcare, ...& she was NOT elected to anything at that point in time, but she sure thought she was "co-president", & that Billy should share power with her.

Successful indeed, two phony's from Arkansas who came to Washington without a pot to urinate in, ..& left as wealthy as the rest of the political professionals that they often characterized as corrupt.

Bill is still searching for a "legacy" other than his sexual addiction, & his lying under oath. Unfortunatley, ..Bill will always be associated with that blue dress, & having a wife who thinks she is Queen Victoria.;)
 

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Stu how does that have anything to with the topic?

Can someone explain to me why Clinton is brought up in every single topic by Bush supporters? Is it cause you can't argue with any of this proof so instead you try to redirect our attention away from the main issue and back towards Clinton who has been out of the white house for many years now.

Mind explaining?
 

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FinnMacCool said:
Stu how does that have anything to with the topic?

Can someone explain to me why Clinton is brought up in every single topic by Bush supporters? Is it cause you can't argue with any of this proof so instead you try to redirect our attention away from the main issue and back towards Clinton who has been out of the white house for many years now.

Mind explaining?
I call this the Sean Hannity defense.

Whenever anyone criticized Bush, Sean would usually change the subject by saying..."Oh yeah? Well let me tell you what Clinton said..."

This is part of the republican 'bait and switch' tactic. Can't offer a defense of Bush? Attack Clinton.
 

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FinnMacCool said:
Stu how does that have anything to with the topic?

Can someone explain to me why Clinton is brought up in every single topic by Bush supporters? Is it cause you can't argue with any of this proof so instead you try to redirect our attention away from the main issue and back towards Clinton who has been out of the white house for many years now.

Mind explaining?




Danarhea brought up the name of Clinton first, ..I did NOT. I simply answered his reply!
 

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Is it just me, or do these little snippets of information not tell you a thing?:confused:

I am beyond confused as to what these e-mails, and written letters are supposed to tell me, I hope this is not the only evidence they have?:doh
 

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FinnMacCool said:
Stu how does that have anything to with the topic?

Can someone explain to me why Clinton is brought up in every single topic by Bush supporters? Is it cause you can't argue with any of this proof so instead you try to redirect our attention away from the main issue and back towards Clinton who has been out of the white house for many years now.

Mind explaining?
Because they cannot say anything positive about Bush, they must bash Clinton (who hasn't been president in over 5 years).

Finn, Tom Toles did a cartoon after the 2004 election that showed the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, and the White House. Bush asks Rove, "Who can we blame now?" Rove says, "We always have Clinton."

;)
 

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danarhea said:
Nice spin. Do you deny the existence of the documents? Also, if Democrats end up being indicted, I say let em all burn together.
If that's all there is, any first year law student would be able to get the whole thing laughed out of court.
 

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aps said:
Because they cannot say anything positive about Bush, they must bash Clinton (who hasn't been president in over 5 years).

Finn, Tom Toles did a cartoon after the 2004 election that showed the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, and the White House. Bush asks Rove, "Who can we blame now?" Rove says, "We always have Clinton."

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It's funny you mentioned Rove..........no, we all use comparisons, even when they don't apply, let's not be hypocrites shall we.;)
 

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If that's all there is, any first year law student would be able to get the whole thing laughed out of court.
Oh thank you so much, Ms. Legal Expert. :roll:
 

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Oh thank you so much, Ms. Legal Expert. :roll:

So maybe you can help the slower among us connect the dots?:confused:
 

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He's had his hand slapped more than once by House Ethics committees...
This is the standard operating procedure for the socialist-lib-dems who have been in a steady slide toward oblivion since the mid-term election during Clinton's first term.

In an effort to overcome the losses at the polls, they established a "hit" squad to hound every Republican in a leadership position and it works tirelessly at trying to knock them off or render them politically impotent.
 

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Hoot said:
I call this the Sean Hannity defense.

Whenever anyone criticized Bush, Sean would usually change the subject by saying..."Oh yeah? Well let me tell you what Clinton said..."

This is part of the republican 'bait and switch' tactic. Can't offer a defense of Bush? Attack Clinton.
Except that GWB needs no defense; his accomplishments speak for themselves. The problem is that the socialist-lib-dems are so distraught with their losses at the polls for the past six consecutive national elections that they have adopted a "scorched earth" policy and refuse to acknowledge any of his successes.
 

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Except that GWB needs no defense; his accomplishments speak for themselves. The problem is that the socialist-lib-dems are so distraught with their losses at the polls for the past six consecutive national elections that they have adopted a "scorched earth" policy and refuse to acknowledge any of his successes.
LMAO Defensive defensive defensive

Yeah, let's blame all these investigations into the republicans on the "socialist-lib-dems." OMG, it's a left-wing conspiracy against the right. OMG! :shock:

Hey, Fantasea, if it makes you feel better to say those kinda things, you go right ahead. You are amusing the heck out of me. :2rofll:
 

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It's funny how the Dems don't want Clinton attacked if he has nothing to do with the present situation. But some time down the road, Nixon will eventually be brought up by the Dems.

Clinton was out half a decade ago, Nixon was out a little more than 2 decades ago. So actually both parties are guilty of bringing up the past, which has nothing to do with the present.

But when ppl call Bush a liar about the WMDs they also forget to call Bush's sources liars (CIA, Britain, Russia, etc.).

"Oh NO! We can't call Russia and Britain liars!!! They're our friends! But Bush, even though he is our president and fellow American, we gotta bash him and call him a lying monkey!!!" What a typical libby would probably say.

Then you also got the Bush huggers that say Bush can do no wrong, yet he gives illegal immigrants (that's right ILLEGAL; as in breaking the LAW) free ER visits, while American Citizens still have to pay for theirs.

So, Bush is really like Clinton; a love/hate president. Either you love some of the stuff he does or you don't. There is no in between, not really anyways.
 

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Hey, Fantasea, if it makes you feel better to say those kinda things, you go right ahead. You are amusing the heck out of me. :2rofll:
It's gratifying to know that my efforts to liven up a dull day are successful.

I note, however, that you did not refute anything I wrote.
 
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