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Why China Will Reclaim Siberia. Putin's critics fear that this economic integration would reduce Muscovy, especially Siberia.

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Putin's critics fear that this economic integration would reduce Muscovy, especially Siberia, its clear that putin does care what will happened to Moscow ulus after him


1.35 billion Chinese people south of the border outnumber Russia's 144 million almost 10 to 1. The discrepancy is even starker for Siberia on its own, home to barely 38 million people, and especially the border area, where only 6 million Russians face over 90 million Chinese. With intermarriage, trade and investment across that border, Siberians have realized that, for better or for worse, Beijing is a lot closer than Moscow.
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The vast expanses of Siberia would provide not just room for China's huddled masses, now squeezed into the coastal half of their country by the mountains and deserts of western China. The land is already providing China, “the factory of the world,” with much of its raw materials, especially oil, gas and timber. Increasingly, Chinese-owned factories in Siberia churn out finished goods, as if the region already were a part of the Middle Kingdom's economy.


One day, China might want the globe to match the reality. In fact, Beijing could use Russia's own strategy: hand out passports to sympathizers in contested areas, then move in militarily to "protect its citizens." The Kremlin has tried that in Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia and most recently the Crimea, all formally part of other post-Soviet states, but controlled by Moscow. And if Beijing chose to take Siberia by force, the only way Moscow could stop would be using nuclear weapons.


Putin's critics fear that this economic integration would reduce Russia, especially Siberia, to a raw materials exporter beholden to Greater China. And as the Chinese learned from the humiliation of 1860, facts on the ground can become lines on the map. "
www.nytimes.com

Why China Will Reclaim Siberia - NYTimes.com

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Litwin said:

Putin's critics fear that this economic integration would reduce Muscovy, especially Siberia, its clear that putin does care what will happened to Moscow ulus after him

1.35 billion Chinese people south of the border outnumber Russia's 144 million almost 10 to 1. The discrepancy is even starker for Siberia on its own, home to barely 38 million people, and especially the border area, where only 6 million Russians face over 90 million Chinese. With intermarriage, trade and investment across that border, Siberians have realized that, for better or for worse, Beijing is a lot closer than Moscow.
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The vast expanses of Siberia would provide not just room for China's huddled masses, now squeezed into the coastal half of their country by the mountains and deserts of western China. The land is already providing China, “the factory of the world,” with much of its raw materials, especially oil, gas and timber. Increasingly, Chinese-owned factories in Siberia churn out finished goods, as if the region already were a part of the Middle Kingdom's economy.

One day, China might want the globe to match the reality. In fact, Beijing could use Russia's own strategy: hand out passports to sympathizers in contested areas, then move in militarily to "protect its citizens." The Kremlin has tried that in Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia and most recently the Crimea, all formally part of other post-Soviet states, but controlled by Moscow. And if Beijing chose to take Siberia by force, the only way Moscow could stop would be using nuclear weapons.


Putin's critics fear that this economic integration would reduce Russia, especially Siberia, to a raw materials exporter beholden to Greater China. And as the Chinese learned from the humiliation of 1860, facts on the ground can become lines on the map. "
www.nytimes.com

Why China Will Reclaim Siberia - NYTimes.com

www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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Treaties created the border. A treaty will have to change the border. Siberia has too many resources to lose and Outer Manchuria has Vladivostok.

RUSSIA owns both.
 
Litwin said:
Putin's critics fear that this economic integration would reduce Muscovy, especially Siberia, its clear that putin does care what will happened to Moscow ulus after him


1.35 billion Chinese people south of the border outnumber Russia's 144 million almost 10 to 1. The discrepancy is even starker for Siberia on its own, home to barely 38 million people, and especially the border area, where only 6 million Russians face over 90 million Chinese. With intermarriage, trade and investment across that border, Siberians have realized that, for better or for worse, Beijing is a lot closer than Moscow.
map-articleLarge.png


The vast expanses of Siberia would provide not just room for China's huddled masses, now squeezed into the coastal half of their country by the mountains and deserts of western China. The land is already providing China, “the factory of the world,” with much of its raw materials, especially oil, gas and timber. Increasingly, Chinese-owned factories in Siberia churn out finished goods, as if the region already were a part of the Middle Kingdom's economy.


One day, China might want the globe to match the reality. In fact, Beijing could use Russia's own strategy: hand out passports to sympathizers in contested areas, then move in militarily to "protect its citizens." The Kremlin has tried that in Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia and most recently the Crimea, all formally part of other post-Soviet states, but controlled by Moscow. And if Beijing chose to take Siberia by force, the only way Moscow could stop would be using nuclear weapons.


Putin's critics fear that this economic integration would reduce Russia, especially Siberia, to a raw materials exporter beholden to Greater China. And as the Chinese learned from the humiliation of 1860, facts on the ground can become lines on the map. "
www.nytimes.com

Why China Will Reclaim Siberia - NYTimes.com

www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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That is not a very good reading of the situation. That is disinformation I helped craft in the bowels of the security cells underneath Enkoping, Sweden with the EU Battle Group and NATO several years ago. I did not mean it then, but it was good disinformation.
 
SayMyName said:
That is not a very good reading of the situation. That is disinformation I helped craft in the bowels of the security cells underneath Enkoping, Sweden with the EU Battle Group and NATO several years ago. I did not mean it then, but it was good disinformation.
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whats about this "reading of the situation"

Why China wants Vladivostok ? Explained in details ​

 
Goodness. This is Youtube. It is not the real world. Of course China wants Vladivostok back. The reality is, they can do nothing about it. Russians are a very unique people. That is why so many in the West despise them, especially in Sweden. They are not woke. Unlike some Americans, I like Russians. They fight. And they will.
 
SayMyName said:
Goodness. This is Youtube. It is not the real world. Of course China wants Vladivostok back. The reality is, they can do nothing about it. Russians are a very unique people. That is why so many in the West despise them, especially in Sweden. They are not woke. Unlike some Americans, I like Russians. They fight. And they will.
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"Russians" are a very unique people."
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www.dailymail.co.uk

Man drowns in his own faeces after falling into Russian cesspit and being left there for 12 hours by his friend who 'assumed he’d be able to climb out by himself'

Andrey Golubov, 36, was using the communal toilet outside an apartment block in Murmansk in north-west Russia, when the wood-cover gave way, and he plunged into the cesspit.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

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and the hans know it, so they will come take what was stolen from them by Muscovite horde
 
I was wondering how soon it would denigrate to this. Just remember, most of this is because of sanctions from the West. It was worse 76 years ago when Russia marched into Berlin, though the West loves to take most of the credit. Meanwhile, at that time, many countries, such as Sweden, collaborated with the Nazis, filling the ranks of their divisions, such as the SS Viking.
 
SayMyName said:
I was wondering how soon it would denigrate to this. Just remember, most of this is because of sanctions from the West. It was worse 76 years ago when Russia marched into Berlin, though the West loves to take most of the credit. Meanwhile, at that time, many countries, such as Sweden, collaborated with the Nazis, filling the ranks of their divisions, such as the SS Viking.
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Moscow Marxist ussr was much worst than German National - socialists , do you know that MOSCOW closed GULAG death camps only in 1986 ? The fact that Stalinists aren't treated like Nazis in modern society disgusts me

Nazinsky: Stalin’s Cannibal Island​

 
Litwin said:
Moscow Marxist ussr was much worst than German National - socialists , do you know that MOSCOW closed GULAG death camps only in 1986 ? The fact that Stalinists aren't treated like Nazis in modern society disgusts me

Nazinsky: Stalin’s Cannibal Island​

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We get that you hate Russians.

We get that you can't comprehend that the Nazis were exterminating "undesirables" at a far greater rate than the USSR.

We get that you can't tell the difference between work camps and death camps. Between removal and elimination.

Nazinsky... Nearly 5000 dead. That isn't even the daily killing toll in one of Hitlers death camps.
 
Litwin said:
"Russians" are a very unique people."

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and the hans know it, so they will come take what was stolen from them by Muscovite horde
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Do you understand the word TREATY?

And, this has zero to do with Muscovites.

Russians.
 
China may indeed have 1.4 billion people but they aren't all in the armed forces.
The only ways for China to get Siberia are good old fashioned invasion against a nuclear-armed Russia which I'd highly advise against for obvious reasons or buying it as the US did with Alaska and I doubt Russia would sell.

It's not happening.
 
Litwin said:
back to school "The theory of Islamic law did not accept permanent peace with the non-Muslim states."
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1. Doesn't mean they didn't and still does make them. Religious law and actual reality tends to be two different things.

2. Most Mongols are not Muslim, some of the Khanates were Muslim, because they were centered on areas with large Muslim populations and the Mongols thus converted to the majority religion. Modern Mongolia barely has Muslims at all.
 
Litwin said:
back to school "The theory of Islamic law did not accept permanent peace with the non-Muslim states."
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Arab nations have signed numerous peace treaties over the years, so your racist blather is....exactly that.

For example....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt–Israel_peace_treaty
 
Not anytime soon. Russia and China have an understanding. Also, Russia has 10,000 nuclear weapons. The Russians see nuclear weapons much differently than the West. They are simply weapons. Nothing more. So long as one Russian breathes, hoardes are at bay because of one button.
 
SayMyName said:
Not anytime soon. Russia and China have an understanding. Also, Russia has 10,000 nuclear weapons. The Russians see nuclear weapons much differently than the West. They are simply weapons. Nothing more. So long as one Russian breathes, hoardes are at bay because of one button.
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they don't


did 10,000 nuclear weapons save sovok?
 
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