* China is not, "calling the shots" as you said
* China is a HUGE importer of Iranian crude; the biggest. Check
* China is NOT gonna play Trump's ****ty game to stop importing Iranian crude
* do U C where I'm going, yet????????????
Yes, except I never said China is calling any shots regarding Iran. Perhaps you have a reading comprehension problem?
If there was some other country who is REALLY the focus of the negotiations, as is the case with NK, your scenario might be one considered by Trump. But Iran doesn't have a "China" behind them pulling their strings, so Trump will take a different approach with them.
I think you implied that I was making the claim; I was not ..............................
Just so you R straight on that point ..............
Yes. I said that. And then you mentioned how China buys a lot of oil from Iran. I took that as an implication that China has some influence over what Iran does.
Since that's not what you were implying, then I have no idea why you even mentioned China and Iranian oil.
Anyway...moving on...
you are just like so many Americans; you really do not see the forest for the trees, do you?
Unlike you, I don't get distracted by squirrels in the woods.
The box? Does China buy Iranian crude by the box?
Okay...I'll admit that snark was uncalled for, but I was talking about dealing with the decision-maker. You implied China makes decisions for Iran...presumably based on the fact that they buy something from Iran. I dispute that implication.
If that's not what you were getting at, then please explain.
China is the single biggest purchaser of Iranian crude so, ............
If the USA again sanctions Iran to the point where they cannot usefully access the world banking system what difference does it make?
If the USA again sanctions Iran to the point where they cannot usefully access the world banking system what difference does it make?
Trump isn't interested in "negotiating" with Iran. He'll make their existence so miserable they will be BEGGING Trump to make them a deal.
Neither China nor India are going to honor Trumps sanctions. Both will continue to import Iranian oil as I suspect will other nations.
Let's face it, Trump isn't exactly very popular in the world.
From al-Jazeera
Why Ayatollah Khamenei will not negotiate with Trump
In a June 13 Washington Post article, former US ambassador to the UN Zalmay Khalilzad argued that the Trump administration's approach towards Iran - withdrawing from the nuclear deal and imposing crippling sanctions - has a reasonable chance of bringing its leadership to the negotiating table.
The logic behind this idea is that imposing "the highest level" of economic sanctions will not only prevent Iran from supporting its proxies and destabilising the Middle East, but will also lead to economic hardship and possibly mass discontent, which could shake the regime's stability.
This approach was tested under the Obama administration and eventually resulted in Iran sitting down for talks in 2013 and signing a nuclear deal in 2015 under President Hasan Rouhani.
But the idea that this could happen again in the aftermath of US President Donald Trump withdrawing from the nuclear deal is not just optimistic - it is flawed. It is not in the interest of the hardliner leadership in Iran to sit down for direct talks with the Trump administration.
COMMENT:-
You have to interpose a bunch of "he thinks" and "he believes" at the appropriate points, but once done the article does give a reasonable description of the mind-set of the Iranian leadership.
It doesn't matter if that mind-set is founded in reality or not, because the important thing is that the mind-set is what is BELIEVED.
Neither China nor India are going to honor Trumps sanctions. Both will continue to import Iranian oil as I suspect will other nations.
Let's face it, Trump isn't exactly very popular in the world.
Left to its own devices, Iran was on a trajectory of becoming more moderate, albeit, the outcome of such a thing would've still took quite a while. Pulling out of the nuclear deal dismantles any notion of moderation.
Before the treaty was signed there were reports that using intelligence sources in the US and Israel that ranged from Iran already had nukes or Iran was months from having a nuke.
A 15 year "glide path" was much better than where things seemed to be heading.
WHAT INTELLIGENCE REPORTS ARE YOU REFERRING (inventing) TO ????
A 15 year glide path is just kicking the can down the road. Better to strangle the infant Iran nuke monster in the cradle, than wait for it to mature.
The ideal option would be a regime change from a lunatic theocracy to a secular democracy.
Sanction seem to be stressing Iranian civilians in that direction.
From al-Jazeera
Why Ayatollah Khamenei will not negotiate with Trump
In a June 13 Washington Post article, former US ambassador to the UN Zalmay Khalilzad argued that the Trump administration's approach towards Iran - withdrawing from the nuclear deal and imposing crippling sanctions - has a reasonable chance of bringing its leadership to the negotiating table.
The logic behind this idea is that imposing "the highest level" of economic sanctions will not only prevent Iran from supporting its proxies and destabilising the Middle East, but will also lead to economic hardship and possibly mass discontent, which could shake the regime's stability.
This approach was tested under the Obama administration and eventually resulted in Iran sitting down for talks in 2013 and signing a nuclear deal in 2015 under President Hasan Rouhani.
But the idea that this could happen again in the aftermath of US President Donald Trump withdrawing from the nuclear deal is not just optimistic - it is flawed. It is not in the interest of the hardliner leadership in Iran to sit down for direct talks with the Trump administration.
COMMENT:-
You have to interpose a bunch of "he thinks" and "he believes" at the appropriate points, but once done the article does give a reasonable description of the mind-set of the Iranian leadership.
It doesn't matter if that mind-set is founded in reality or not, because the important thing is that the mind-set is what is BELIEVED.
WHAT INTELLIGENCE REPORTS ARE YOU REFERRING (inventing) TO ????
A 15 year glide path is just kicking the can down the road. Better to strangle the infant Iran nuke monster in the cradle, than wait for it to mature.
The ideal option would be a regime change from a lunatic theocracy to a secular democracy. Sanction seem to be stressing Iranian civilians in that direction.
First of all we do not need to negotiate with them. Trump will dictate to them what we will do if need be.....that is all that needs to be said. They are cowering in fear ...you can bet your sweet ass on dat. Not even to mention unrest is growing. All that needs to be understood about Iran is that they are in desperate need of a regime change....before like solomon their current leaders bring everything crashing down on their heads. If we do not do it...Israel will. Iran has no future, no security...under their present regime. They best wake up...and it appears that many of them are. More power to those who oppose the tyrannical and corrupt Mullahs.
First of all we do not need to negotiate with them. Trump will dictate to them what we will do if need be.....that is all that needs to be said. They are cowering in fear ...you can bet your sweet ass on dat. Not even to mention unrest is growing. All that needs to be understood about Iran is that they are in desperate need of a regime change....before like solomon their current leaders bring everything crashing down on their heads. If we do not do it...Israel will. Iran has no future, no security...under their present regime. They best wake up...and it appears that many of them are. More power to those who oppose the tyrannical and corrupt Mullahs.
The only problem is that the sanctions weren't stopping them the last time, and the hardliners have been chomping at the bit to get out of the deal so they can continue moving toward with their nuclear weapons. The regime change you're thinking about isn't necessarily between the moderates and the current leadership, but the hardliners who want to be rid of the current moderates. You can complain about the Mullah's now but if the woodwork crew gets in power, they'll look like a Sunday picnic. Remember, despotic regimes aren't worried about their people the way democratic countries are; the military is at their disposal to handle anyone not toeing the line. The whole idea that you don't negotiate with Iran is arrogant and naive; there's really no choice since forcefully disarming them isn't a viable option at present time.
Pathetic naive nonsense.....First of all Israel will not allow Iran to go nuclear...so forget about Iran going nuclear ....it will never,never be allowed to happen. You can bet your sweet ass on dat. Iran is in a very tough spot...look how Israel keeps attacking their forces in Syria. All they can do is talk tough...and sooner than later they will realize how stupid and ineffective that is. Their regime is doomed....either the Iranians rise up and depose it or we or Israel or some combination thereof will do it for them. Case closed.
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Sure. Which is why Iran was on its way to developing a nuclear weapon. No one is interested in what it would take to bring Iran under control; if you think it's that cut and dry it isn't me who is naive. Israel attacking their forces in Syria is not the same of waging a war against Iran. Regime change is another aspect that isn't as simple as you propose considering it hasn't happened since 1979; if there is regime change it may be the hard liners. As for their regime being doomed, they're actually in better shape now than they were with the last round of sanctions because at least then countries involved were on the same page. After Trump pulled the US out of the JCPOA, the other countries are not planning on honoring the sanctions. As it stands, China is taking the lead in keeping the deal alive along with the other nations.
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