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Why aren't the media asking Obama about the email scandal?

Mr. President, what is your opinion of how this situation was handled by Hillary Clinton, both as your Sec. of State and afterwards when it was revealed that she had violated basic security protocols??

Is his opinion on the matter able to change your mind on the subject even in the slightest?
 
Seems little more than willful ignorance on Obama's part. Recall whenever any scandal related to his administration came up, any of his weaponization of government departments against his political opposition. The first that he knew of any of it was when he read it in the papers or saw it on the news. That's hardly believable. Willful ignorance to deflect any and all accountability.

" weaponization of government departments against his political opposition"? Where/when did that happen?
 
Is his opinion on the matter able to change your mind on the subject even in the slightest?

His opinion on the subject should be something that every American should be interested in. This is something that should provide insight into how Dem. politicians respond to these kind of issues. It's something that was directly involved with the Obama admin. and should be questioned. If the President comes out and states that he backs every decision that Clinton made regarding this issue, then Dem.s should be most interested in it, since it's a reflection of their standards for the people they vote for. Democrats (the People, not the Politicians) should be yelling the loudest in demanding a response from the President and every other elected official.
 
What are we supposed to ask Obama about it?

How he didn't know it was going on.

What she did was intentionally sneaky but still, wouldn't he find it odd that none of her emails came to him from a dot.gov address? Is he that clueless that he doesn't know it's it's not a good idea for a SOS to use a private email for Gov't business? Unless the only emails they exchanged were about her grandchild { Derisive smirk}

Lucky for him the guns are all aimed at granny, because between this and Benghazi, he ain't lookin so hot as an executive.
 
How could he not know that was going on?, right under his nose? Did he give her tacit approval?

They have. White House have refused to comment.
 
" weaponization of government departments against his political opposition"? Where/when did that happen?

Lois Learner, the IRS, attacking, investigating mostly conservative groups, and hardly being even handed about it, for one.

EPA could easily be yet another case of the same.

The weaponization of government is happening and it’s time Americans took notice. For all the folks – primarily on the left – who screamed and yelled that the Patriot Act was shredding the Constitution, far more intrusive tactics that have nothing to do with the NSA or Homeland Security are being deployed right under our noses during this Administration. Those tactics reduce every Americans’ personal and economic freedom.

There is a dangerous arrogance of power among the President and senior-level Democrats that should concern every American.

Last week a senior United States Senator gave a speech stating that the IRS should be used to target and punish groups that disagree with the Democratic Party’s political agenda. Sen. Chuck Schumer stated, “…there are many things that can be done administratively by the IRS and other government agencies — we must redouble those efforts immediately.” Schumer was also one of a number of Democrat Senators who signed a 2012 letter to the IRS demanding they be more aggressive against conservative organizations. Sure, it was a story in primarily conservative media for a couple of days but no coordinated action between Republican elected officials and the conservative grassroots against Chuck Schumer is being contemplated. The Senate should be censuring him for suggesting that the IRS be used as a political weapon against conservative organizations. Americans, however, should be calling for his head.

Last year, Lois Lerner, the IRS’ former director of Tax Exempt Organizations, publicly acknowledged the political, predatory and punitive actions of the agency that led to the harassment and intimidation of conservative groups. Anyone who thinks that these IRS bureaucrats were acting solely in response to the Senators’ letter or of their own volition is kidding themselves. This strategy was deployed by a cunning White House and the community-organizer-in-chief who still understands Saul Alinksy’s rule number 10 – “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.”
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There are the new revelations about the Administration intimidating banks to prevent them from doing business with a number of legitimate businesses. The until recently covert Operation Choke Point administered through the Departments of Justice and Treasury is already having an impact on the financial industry and other legitimate businesses the Administration is targeting. According to the Wall Street Journal, J.P. Morgan , has been forced to cut ties with thousands of customers in the last year. Sources indicate that out of fear of government scrutiny, the bank is ending relationships with customers even if there isn’t any sign that the customer has done anything wrong. Other major banks have stopped offering certain popular, legal products or services because of government pressure.

Documents inadvertently leaked by the Department of the Treasury from a briefing on Operation Choke Point clearly show that the Administration is looking to significantly impact legal businesses because it believes the public needs to be protected from industries and customers deemed more likely to engage in criminal activity. According to the Administration, those industries interestingly include ammunition sales, gun sales, home-based charities, gambling, pharmaceutical sales, short-term loans, raffles, Amway and Mary Kay-style sales businesses, and credit repair services.
The Administration is refusing to answer any Congressional inquiries about Operation Choke Point.

Obama's Weaponization of Government - Forbes

The article goes and covers a few more instances of this. Smells really dirty, as most revelations about this president and this administration do.
 
Lois Learner, the IRS, attacking, investigating mostly conservative groups, and hardly being even handed about it, for one.

Except, of course, that that didn't actually happen except in the fetid and dank imaginations of conservatives.

Don't Blame The IRS For Doing Their Job | Crooks and Liars
So IRS Didn't 'Target Conservative Groups,' After All | Crooks and Liars
https://ourfuture.org/20130520/the-latest-lie-irs-targeted-conservatives
Darrell Issa's IRS Investigation Is Falling Apart - Bloomberg
Why didn’t Republicans invite the IG to the IRS hearings? | TheHill

It's not "weaponizing" or 'attacking' to review groups that are possibly political by their definition (ie, a "tea party caucus" in the house claims to exist, making it political) they are politically engaged when the law says (c)4 groups are "social welfare" and not to engage in political activities. They were not 'attacked' in any rational reading of what happened.
1) it is for the applicant to prove, not the IRS to disprove.
2) not requested having status does not stop a group from acting as a (c)4, but its 990s must still show they are not engaged in political activity. Nothing was legally stopping these groups from acting because they didn't have status.
3) Was it a mess? Yes. But mess is not illegal, nor does it being a mess prove anything illegal or weaponization of gov't agencies against anyone.
 
His opinion on the subject should be something that every American should be interested in. This is something that should provide insight into how Dem. politicians respond to these kind of issues. It's something that was directly involved with the Obama admin. and should be questioned. If the President comes out and states that he backs every decision that Clinton made regarding this issue, then Dem.s should be most interested in it, since it's a reflection of their standards for the people they vote for. Democrats (the People, not the Politicians) should be yelling the loudest in demanding a response from the President and every other elected official.

It's pretty easy to see what his opinion is.
Hillary is a Democrat.
Therefore, it's best not to say that she made a stupid mistake, because it makes it less likely that she will win.
 
Lois Learner, the IRS, attacking, investigating mostly conservative groups, and hardly being even handed about it, for one.

EPA could easily be yet another case of the same.



The article goes and covers a few more instances of this. Smells really dirty, as most revelations about this president and this administration do.

Greetings, Erik. :2wave:

"The administration is refusing to answer any Congressional inquiries......." Is this the new normal now - we pay their salaries, in addition to all the other bills that come due, but we're not allowed to ask what they're doing? WTH? Our government has become a 1,000 pound parasite by using our tax money to grow itself, while our infrastructure continues to deteriorate into becoming more and more unsafe for use! Is it going to take a bridge collapsing - with a politician in his limo on said bridge - before something is done? Probably, if the past is any guide....
 
Except, of course, that that didn't actually happen except in the fetid and dank imaginations of conservatives.

Don't Blame The IRS For Doing Their Job | Crooks and Liars
So IRS Didn't 'Target Conservative Groups,' After All | Crooks and Liars
https://ourfuture.org/20130520/the-latest-lie-irs-targeted-conservatives
Darrell Issa's IRS Investigation Is Falling Apart - Bloomberg
Why didn’t Republicans invite the IG to the IRS hearings? | TheHill

It's not "weaponizing" or 'attacking' to review groups that are possibly political by their definition (ie, a "tea party caucus" in the house claims to exist, making it political) they are politically engaged when the law says (c)4 groups are "social welfare" and not to engage in political activities. They were not 'attacked' in any rational reading of what happened.
1) it is for the applicant to prove, not the IRS to disprove.
2) not requested having status does not stop a group from acting as a (c)4, but its 990s must still show they are not engaged in political activity. Nothing was legally stopping these groups from acting because they didn't have status.
3) Was it a mess? Yes. But mess is not illegal, nor does it being a mess prove anything illegal or weaponization of gov't agencies against anyone.

...Which is why Louis Lerner pleaded the 5th - because she knew nothing illegal had transpired. It's really so simple. Silly conservatives.
 
...Which is why Louis Lerner pleaded the 5th - because she knew nothing illegal had transpired. It's really so simple. Silly conservatives.

Which is wholly irrelevant to what I stated and what I linked to.

Thanks for conceding the point.
 
Which is wholly irrelevant to what I stated and what I linked to.

Thanks for conceding the point.

You didn't have a point. Lerner pleading the 5th would've undermined the point you didn't have. Obviously she directed her subordinates to do exactly what you claim wasn't done or she wouldn't have resorted to the protections against self-incrimination.
 
You didn't have a point. Lerner pleading the 5th would've undermined the point you didn't have. Obviously she directed her subordinates to do exactly what you claim wasn't done or she wouldn't have resorted to the protections against self-incrimination.

Ah, so you're having trouble with reading comprehension. Got it, thanks. My point was that there was no IRS scandal that included Obama 'weaponizing' agencies against conservative groups.

Thanks for admitting you couldn't understand what I posted.
 
Ah, so you're having trouble with reading comprehension. Got it, thanks. My point was that there was no IRS scandal that included Obama 'weaponizing' agencies against conservative groups.

Thanks for admitting you couldn't understand what I posted.

Let's see. Who appoints the head of the IRS? Yeah, the president. You have no point.
 
Let's see. Who appoints the head of the IRS? Yeah, the president. You have no point.

I accept your concession of the point to me, and your admission that you didn't understand what you were replying to.

Thanks!
 
Except, of course, that that didn't actually happen except in the fetid and dank imaginations of conservatives.

Don't Blame The IRS For Doing Their Job | Crooks and Liars
So IRS Didn't 'Target Conservative Groups,' After All | Crooks and Liars
https://ourfuture.org/20130520/the-latest-lie-irs-targeted-conservatives
Darrell Issa's IRS Investigation Is Falling Apart - Bloomberg
Why didn’t Republicans invite the IG to the IRS hearings? | TheHill

It's not "weaponizing" or 'attacking' to review groups that are possibly political by their definition (ie, a "tea party caucus" in the house claims to exist, making it political) they are politically engaged when the law says (c)4 groups are "social welfare" and not to engage in political activities. They were not 'attacked' in any rational reading of what happened.
1) it is for the applicant to prove, not the IRS to disprove.
2) not requested having status does not stop a group from acting as a (c)4, but its 990s must still show they are not engaged in political activity. Nothing was legally stopping these groups from acting because they didn't have status.
3) Was it a mess? Yes. But mess is not illegal, nor does it being a mess prove anything illegal or weaponization of gov't agencies against anyone.

Except that the IRS was demanding information from conservative groups that they weren't entitled to as part of their 'review' (more like criminal investigation).

When asked which conservative groups the IRS was 'investigating', did nothing but stonewalling. Got sued in court over that and lost.

Court Rules in Favor of Tea Party Group Demanding Complete List of Conservatives Targeted by IRS

Tea party beats IRS in federal court - Judges demand tax agency release secret target list immediately

Federal appeals court slams IRS in Tea Party case, demands documents

Interesting that the IRS would have a 'target list' of groups, and they mostly just happen to be conservative in nature.

Congressional oversight asks for emails, and once again, like seemingly every other of Obama's departments who find themselves in this situation, it turns into a self-inflicted trial because the departments in question end up playing 'hide the weenie' with the documentation requested.

The final end result of all this? Impeachment of the IRS commissioner. High time.

House Republicans slash IRS budget, move toward commissioner’s impeachment

Overdue impeachment at the IRS - But the Democrats are masters at obstructing justice for the guilty

That just about sums it op. "the Democrats are masters at obstructing justice for the guilty". We've just seen yet another case of the same, with Hillary and her emails server.

Same old pattern of behavior from this administration. Get caught at something that's really shady, play 'hide the weenie'.

Most transparent administration in history? Hardly. Most opaque administration in history with the most transparent motives.

It shouldn't be as much of a shame as it is, as both 4 years ago and 8 years ago, people were warning everyone about all this. Idiocy to have elected this man as president not only once, but twice. Unreal.
 
Except that the IRS was demanding information from conservative groups that they weren't entitled to as part of their 'review' (more like criminal investigation).

When asked which conservative groups the IRS was 'investigating', did nothing but stonewalling. Got sued in court over that and lost.

Court Rules in Favor of Tea Party Group Demanding Complete List of Conservatives Targeted by IRS

Tea party beats IRS in federal court - Judges demand tax agency release secret target list immediately

Federal appeals court slams IRS in Tea Party case, demands documents

Interesting that the IRS would have a 'target list' of groups, and they mostly just happen to be conservative in nature.

Congressional oversight asks for emails, and once again, like seemingly every other of Obama's departments who find themselves in this situation, it turns into a self-inflicted trial because the departments in question end up playing 'hide the weenie' with the documentation requested.

The final end result of all this? Impeachment of the IRS commissioner. High time.

House Republicans slash IRS budget, move toward commissioner’s impeachment

Overdue impeachment at the IRS - But the Democrats are masters at obstructing justice for the guilty

That just about sums it op. "the Democrats are masters at obstructing justice for the guilty". We've just seen yet another case of the same, with Hillary and her emails server.

Same old pattern of behavior from this administration. Get caught at something that's really shady, play 'hide the weenie'.

Most transparent administration in history? Hardly. Most opaque administration in history with the most transparent motives.

It shouldn't be as much of a shame as it is, as both 4 years ago and 8 years ago, people were warning everyone about all this. Idiocy to have elected this man as president not only once, but twice. Unreal.

Absolutely none of which counters what I've stated or supports your original claims of the IRS being 'weaponized' against conservative groups.

We're done here. I can see you're not even remotely interested in rational (not to mention honest) discourse or debate.
 
Greetings, Erik. :2wave:

"The administration is refusing to answer any Congressional inquiries......." Is this the new normal now - we pay their salaries, in addition to all the other bills that come due, but we're not allowed to ask what they're doing? WTH? Our government has become a 1,000 pound parasite by using our tax money to grow itself, while our infrastructure continues to deteriorate into becoming more and more unsafe for use! Is it going to take a bridge collapsing - with a politician in his limo on said bridge - before something is done? Probably, if the past is any guide....

Greetings, Polgara. :2wave:
"1,000 pound parasite" That's good. I'm going to have to use that, as it is a most apt description.

Yes, it seems that congress and the administration have forgotten that they serve at the pleasure of the electorate. But then, who in the electorate is bothering with holding the congress and the administration accountable? It used to be that the electorate had a strong voice in the Free Press that spoke truth to power, but that seems to have waned since they've come off the sidelines and are actively rooting for their favorite politicians in their news coverage.

(*sigh*) - It's going to get worse, much worse, before it gets any better.
 
Except that the IRS was demanding information from conservative groups that they weren't entitled to as part of their 'review' (more like criminal investigation).

When asked which conservative groups the IRS was 'investigating', did nothing but stonewalling. Got sued in court over that and lost.

Court Rules in Favor of Tea Party Group Demanding Complete List of Conservatives Targeted by IRS

Tea party beats IRS in federal court - Judges demand tax agency release secret target list immediately

Federal appeals court slams IRS in Tea Party case, demands documents

Interesting that the IRS would have a 'target list' of groups, and they mostly just happen to be conservative in nature.

Congressional oversight asks for emails, and once again, like seemingly every other of Obama's departments who find themselves in this situation, it turns into a self-inflicted trial because the departments in question end up playing 'hide the weenie' with the documentation requested.

The final end result of all this? Impeachment of the IRS commissioner. High time.

House Republicans slash IRS budget, move toward commissioner’s impeachment

Overdue impeachment at the IRS - But the Democrats are masters at obstructing justice for the guilty

That just about sums it op. "the Democrats are masters at obstructing justice for the guilty". We've just seen yet another case of the same, with Hillary and her emails server.

Same old pattern of behavior from this administration. Get caught at something that's really shady, play 'hide the weenie'.

Most transparent administration in history? Hardly. Most opaque administration in history with the most transparent motives.

It shouldn't be as much of a shame as it is, as both 4 years ago and 8 years ago, people were warning everyone about all this. Idiocy to have elected this man as president not only once, but twice. Unreal.

You appear to have won this round, as I notice that the other feller is crawling back under that rock. It seems everyone else is just, just, stupid, so he's picking up his one cracked marble and going home. Take that, you stupid head.
 
You appear to have won this round, as I notice that the other feller is crawling back under that rock. It seems everyone else is just, just, stupid, so he's picking up his one cracked marble and going home. Take that, you stupid head.

Facts are pesky things. The final set of facts in the IRS case is what the IRS put the conservative groups through as part of the 'review' (antagonism) process. It was playing 'hide the weenie' in reverse with a multitude of information requests, and requests for information the IRS had no right to demand (membership lists, i.e. the next list of people to hit) and multitudes of documentation requests equally unrelated to a review of a non-profit status case.

Learner was so deep in it, she only pleaded the 5th, which should tell you something, and they retired her to put her out of reach. Nice, eh? Yet another variation on 'hide the weenie', seems Lerner is the weenie being hidden in this case.

Government accountability, my ass.
 
Facts are pesky things. The final set of facts in the IRS case is what the IRS put the conservative groups through as part of the 'review' (antagonism) process. It was playing 'hide the weenie' in reverse with a multitude of information requests, and requests for information the IRS had no right to demand (membership lists, i.e. the next list of people to hit) and multitudes of documentation requests equally unrelated to a review of a non-profit status case.

Learner was so deep in it, she only pleaded the 5th, which should tell you something, and they retired her to put her out of reach.
Nice, eh? Yet another variation on 'hide the weenie', seems Lerner is the weenie being hidden in this case.

Government accountability, my ass.

They also retired the WH Counsel for the IRS at the same time. Of course, the IRS admitted the targeting at the outset. That didn't happen in a vacuum in which some zealous employee simply took it upon themselves to establish a pattern of abuse that covered the entire nation. A national action like that requires direction and coordination.
 
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