Why are the Democrats already claiming victory? (1 Viewer)

[Navy Pride]

There is no question that the dems are preparing to cry "Stolen Election" if they lose.....

http://www.newmediajournal.us/staff/huston/10262006.htm

Why would they do that, you ask? To further the false claims they have spouted since the 2000 election that the system is "rigged" against them, that's why. They know full well that the American electorate has been leaning centrist to moderately conservative since 1980 and they also know full well that their ideas are dragging them further left every year.


"...perhaps this whole mantra of a Demo landslide is being misreported so that when it doesn't actually occur the left can then come back and claim that it is all just more 'proof' that the system is rigged against them."

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Because if they can put forth the notion that it's "in the bag" and their ship will be righted on election day, then it will be easier to sell the "stolen election" thing later.

 

[aps]

There is no question that the dems are preparing to cry "Stolen Election" if they lose.....

http://www.newmediajournal.us/staff/huston/10262006.htm

Why would they do that, you ask? To further the false claims they have spouted since the 2000 election that the system is "rigged" against them, that's why. They know full well that the American electorate has been leaning centrist to moderately conservative since 1980 and they also know full well that their ideas are dragging them further left every year.


"...perhaps this whole mantra of a Demo landslide is being misreported so that when it doesn't actually occur the left can then come back and claim that it is all just more 'proof' that the system is rigged against them."

Here is the signature of the article you quote:

Warner Todd Huston is a free lance writer, graphic designer and works in Desktop Publishing. Like every man when young, Mr. Huston was sure that Conservatives were inhumane, ignorant of history and greedy...then he grew up.

Yeah, that's a real grown-up description. No wonder I am going to give this article zero probative value. Nice try, Navy Pride.

 

[Navy Pride]

Here is the signature of the article you quote:



Yeah, that's a real grown-up description. No wonder I am going to give this article zero probative value. Nice try, Navy Pride.

aps, don't shoot the messenger.......There just may be a lot of truth in what he says whether you like his politics or not............We saw the dems claimed stolen in 2000, 2002, and 2004......I suspect it will be a recurring theme any time the Republicans win a national election.........You sure can't deny the trend.......

 

[aps]

aps, don't shoot the messenger.......There just may be a lot of truth in what he says whether you like his politics or not............We saw the dems claimed stolen in 2000, 2002, and 2004......I suspect it will be a recurring theme any time the Republicans win a national election.........You sure can't deny the trend.......

Let's wait and see what happens. Wouldn't it be funny if the republicans lose Congress and they claim that the elections were stolen?

 

[niftydrifty]

big double standard you've got there, NP.

a better question would be "why are both sides claiming victory?"

"...we've got good candidates running hard. And we're going to win." - George W. Bush (Oct 25, 2006)

President Bush Says Democrats Won't Win Congress (Jun 14, 2006)

Why the Democrats Won't Win

"...here's the truth. One of the reasons that the Democrats will lose on Election Day: because they want to raise your taxes..." - Vern Buchanan

etc, etc, etc ....

 

[Navy Pride]

Let's wait and see what happens. Wouldn't it be funny if the republicans lose Congress and they claim that the elections were stolen?

That has never happened even when in 1960 the dems and the Daly machine stuffed the ballot boxes in Chicago Nixon accepted defeat graciously for the good of the country.......To bad dems don't have the same class..........

 

[Navy Pride]

big double standard you've got there, NP.

a better question would be "why are both sides claiming victory?"

"...we've got good candidates running hard. And we're going to win." - George W. Bush (Oct 25, 2006)

President Bush Says Democrats Won't Win Congress (Jun 14, 2006)

Why the Democrats Won't Win

"...here's the truth. One of the reasons that the Democrats will lose on Election Day: because they want to raise your taxes..." - Vern Buchanan

etc, etc, etc ....

Wake up and smeel the roses......What the hell do you expect the President to say when every left wing liberal media outlet has the dems winning in a landslide..........The problem is saying it does not make it so.......

 

[niftydrifty]

every left wing liberal media outlet has the dems winning in a landslide

What's a left wing liberal media outlet? I don't know of any, except for "Democracy Now!" ... and a few magazines. And they don't say anything about a Dem landslide. Do you really think picking up a few seats in the House is a landslide? I do read a couple of Librul blogs and they all say that the Dems may not win. Polls, are one thing. Voter turnout is another. And then there's the fact that Democratic supporters are all bunched together in urban areas, and Republican supporters are spread out in rural areas. There's the redistricting, etc etc etc, yada yada yada.

"Wake up and smell" ... that's certainly all you, dude.

 

[Navy Pride]

What's a left wing liberal media outlet? I don't know of any, except for "Democracy Now!" ... and a few magazines. And they don't say anything about a Dem landslide. Do you really think picking up a few seats in the House is a landslide? I do read a couple of Librul blogs and they all say that the Dems may not win. Polls, are one thing. Voter turnout is another. And then there's the fact that Democratic supporters are all bunched together in urban areas, and Republican supporters are spread out in rural areas. There's the redistricting, etc etc etc, yada yada yada.

"Wake up and smell" ... that's certainly all you, dude.

Well lets see, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR, New York Times, LA times, Washington Post...........shall I go on?

 

[Navy Pride]

Let's wait and see what happens. Wouldn't it be funny if the republicans lose Congress and they claim that the elections were stolen?

I have been voting since 1960 and I don't remember that happening.........Like I said some people said that the 1960 election was stolen from Nixon by Boss Daley in Chicago but Nixon never fought it.......By the way I was glad because I voted for JFK.

 

[disneydude]

Well lets see, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR, New York Times, LA times, Washington Post...........shall I go on?

Navy:

To quote yourself "The problem is....saying it doesn't make it so".
To the radical right-wingers, if it isn't right wing propoganda its left-wing media. Too bad that most people recognize the label is just another right-wing talking point

 

[Navy Pride]

Navy:

To quote yourself "The problem is....saying it doesn't make it so".
To the radical right-wingers, if it isn't right wing propoganda its left-wing media. Too bad that most people recognize the label is just another right-wing talking point

Disney, are yousaying those media outlets are not left wing? Oh wait, you think Gore, Kerry and Obama are moderates:rofl Never mind......

 

[Moot]

aps, don't shoot the messenger.......There just may be a lot of truth in what he says whether you like his politics or not............We saw the dems claimed stolen in 2000, 2002, and 2004......I suspect it will be a recurring theme any time the Republicans win a national election.........You sure can't deny the trend.......

If you are so open minded and honest with yourself Navy Pride, then why don't you believe there might be a lot of truth in what the Democrats say about voter fraud? Especially since they have provided solid evidence to prove it, whereas the Republican desk top publisher (anacroynm for Rightwing blogger) has proved.... what??? Nothing?

Personally, I don't think the Democrats are going to be as "nice" or as "compromising" as they were in 2000 and 2004 and let the dirty little thugs get away with voter fraud and stealing elections like they have in the past. I definitely think that trend is over.

 

[Moot]

I have been voting since 1960 and I don't remember that happening.........Like I said some people said that the 1960 election was stolen from Nixon by Boss Daley in Chicago but Nixon never fought it.......By the way I was glad because I voted for JFK.

Apparently Kennedy did indeed steal the 1960 election, thanks to Daly in Illinois and the RNC not challenging the voter count in Texas. The Chicago Tribune even wrote a front page article after the election which concluded that "Nixon was deprived of victory."

So what are we to conclude about you Navy Pride? That you take pride in voting for people who commit fraud in order to steal democracy from the American people?

 

[Kandahar]

No one should be claiming victory yet. The Senate leans Republican and the House leans Democrat, but neither are set in stone. Both houses are close enough that they could go either way.

As of now, I'm predicting the Dems pick up 4 Senate seats (PA, OH, MT, RI) and 22 House seats.

 

[Navy Pride]

If you are so open minded and honest with yourself Navy Pride, then why don't you believe there might be a lot of truth in what the Democrats say about voter fraud? Especially since they have provided solid evidence to prove it, whereas the Republican desk top publisher (anacroynm for Rightwing blogger) has proved.... what??? Nothing?

Personally, I don't think the Democrats are going to be as "nice" or as "compromising" as they were in 2000 and 2004 and let the dirty little thugs get away with voter fraud and stealing elections like they have in the past. I definitely think that trend is over.

Actually I was responding to a comment by aps but since you butted in my liberal Bush Hater friend why am I not surprised?

You lefties need some new material..........The reason you have only had to Liberal democrats as president since 1964 is nobody buys the lies and false giveaway programs your promise......The American people are way to smart for that......

You lost in 2000, 2002, and 2004 beecasue you have no solutions, nothing to offer but hate for this president............It has nothing to do with stolen elections.........

Go find Cindy Sheehan and cry on her shoulder.........

 

[Navy Pride]

Apparently Kennedy did indeed steal the 1960 election, thanks to Daly in Illinois and the RNC not challenging the voter count in Texas. The Chicago Tribune even wrote a front page article after the election which concluded that "Nixon was deprived of victory."

So what are we to conclude about you Navy Pride? That you take pride in voting for people who commit fraud in order to steal democracy from the American people?

Are you accusing President Kennedy of committing fraud?

I believe the point was that Nixon was not a sore loser like your hero Kerry and Gore.........

 

[Navy Pride]

No one should be claiming victory yet. The Senate leans Republican and the House leans Democrat, but neither are set in stone. Both houses are close enough that they could go either way.

As of now, I'm predicting the Dems pick up 4 Senate seats (PA, OH, MT, RI) and 22 House seats.

Would you consider that a victory for the dems consider lliberals keep saying this country is going to hell in a handbasket?

 

[Kandahar]

Would you consider that a victory for the dems consider lliberals keep saying this country is going to hell in a handbasket?

I'll breathe a sigh of relief as long as the Democrats capture at least one house, so I suppose I'd consider that a victory. As long as we can get some real oversight of this White House and prevent George Bush from implementing any new insane policies, I'll be happy.

The only issues (other than oversight) that I really care about in this election cycle are Iraq and energy independence. We can't really afford to wait another two years until we have a competent president, so hopefully George Bush will go along with some changes in his policy if Congress pushes him hard enough.

 

[Navy Pride]

I'll breathe a sigh of relief as long as the Democrats capture at least one house, so I suppose I'd consider that a victory. As long as we can get some real oversight of this White House and prevent George Bush from implementing any new insane policies, I'll be happy.

The only issues (other than oversight) that I really care about in this election cycle are Iraq and energy independence. We can't really afford to wait another two years until we have a competent president, so hopefully George Bush will go along with some changes in his policy if Congress pushes him hard enough.

So your telling me your happy with Nancy Pelosi as the majority leader in the HOR.........

 

[Kandahar]

So your telling me your happy with Nancy Pelosi as the majority leader in the HOR.........

Sure. She'll certainly be more willing to exercise oversight of the White House than Hastert or his Republican successor would be.

Aside from that, her personal politics don't really matter much, as there would still be a Republican White House and (probably) a Republican Senate. I mean, it's not like we're electing her President here.

 

[Moot]

Actually I was responding to a comment by aps but since you butted in my liberal Bush Hater friend why am I not surprised?

Well, that wasn't very friendly. But coming from a bitter old one- eyed hater of all mankind, it doesn't surprise me much either. Anyway, this is an open public forum so if you wanted to converse with aps in private then perhaps you should have done so.

You lefties need some new material..........The reason you have only had to Liberal democrats as president since 1964 is nobody buys the lies and false giveaway programs your promise......The American people are way to smart for that......

Eh, compared to the last five years of Republican controled congress, people are now fondly looking back at the last forty years the Democrats had control of congress and wishing, nay PRAYING they were back in control. But I guess we'll know soon enough, eh?

You lost in 2000, 2002, and 2004 beecasue you have no solutions, nothing to offer but hate for this president............It has nothing to do with stolen elections.........

Um, have you seen the recent approval ratings of congress? Oooo they don't look good and they haven't for quite awhile. Nuh uh, no siree. It doesn't appear people are too impressed with the ahem solutions the Republicans had to offer these last six years. Because now they gotta eat dog food and work two or three jobs at minimum wage to help pay for the McMansions, doncha you know? lol.

Anyway, I am looking forward to going 'Mexican and ripping the Repubs a new one if they steal this election. We the people have had enough of the yahoos running this barge into the ground and we ain't gonna take it no mo' You hear me chief? NO MO'. Grrrr.

Go find Cindy Sheehan and cry on her shoulder.........

Ow. You really know how to hurt a Lib. Ow ow ow. Okay, how about you go blow up your Ann Coulter doll and amuse yourself. Or is it a Drudge doll? I don't know I can't keep up with you kinky repubs anymore. :2razz:

 

[Moot]

So your telling me your happy with Nancy Pelosi as the majority leader in the HOR.........

GAAA what choice do people have? HASTERT??? PFFFT....puuhlease. We can see what that guy is all about and it ain't pretty. Have you seen his drapes? Oh my god, they're enough to make any sane person vote Democrat.

 

[niftydrifty]

Well lets see, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR, New York Times, LA times, Washington Post...........shall I go on?

yes, DO go on. and on and on, until you get to an actual "left wing media outlet". I'll hold my breath. :lol:

NavyPride, a conclusion is something that you might state, after you actually review evidence which enables you to reach your conclusion. It's obvious that your conclusion is something that you've already made up your mind about, or been told to believe, and that you possess no relevant facts or evidence with which to support it. cognitive dissonance is fairly easy to live with, when you make virtually no effort to correct it.

If you can present any evidence to support your claim that any of the above are "left wing media outlets," I will then very easily produce evidence that any or all of the above are, in fact, not "left wing media outlets."

go ahead, find something, anything. on any given day, I'll show you a quote, or an outrageous Conservative leaning bias, on the very same day, from any one of those outlets. It's very easy to do.

it's easy to do, because the entities you named are, in fact, not "left wing media outlets."