Why are so many Trump supporters against the “Trump vaccine”?

[reflechissez]

Indiana Department of Health has a very informative, easy to read and interactive site to visit that relays all kinds of information for those interested.

Here it is:

Indiana COVID-19 Home Dashboard

www.coronavirus.in.gov

This is lazy. There is nothing on that site about vaccination rates. Either explain what you mean by "vaccination rate" or don't. Also, did you notice that the number of deaths only includes those through July 17? Wonder why.

 

[code1211]

What doctors wish patients knew about the dangerous Delta variant

The COVID-19 Delta variant, a more transmissible form of SARS-CoV-2, is rapidly spreading and poses a threat to unvaccinated and partially vaccinated people.

www.ama-assn.org

There is no evidence that the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2 has a lower fatality rate than the wild-type virus

The Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2 has become prevalent in the U.K. since May 2021. At the same time, most of the people who are vaccinated in the U.K. are the elderly, who were among the priority groups in the COVID-19 vaccination campaign, as they are at a higher risk of severe illness. So far...

healthfeedback.org

Those who enjoyed the fell of the society's throat in their hands seem anxious to re-establish their grip.

When the statistics begin to run parallel to their proclamations, I may join them in their concern, but, if their prescription is the same as last time, they're going to get a fight.

 

[code1211]

OK- well then I hope you guys do OK. FL doesn’t seem to be doing so hot. Reality tends to be a harsh teacher. Good luck with this freedom you seem to think you have to sicken and kill others, even if they are guilty of being older.

What freedom is it that you seem to feel that I have?

 

[code1211]

This is lazy. There is nothing on that site about vaccination rates. Either explain what you mean by "vaccination rate" or don't. Also, did you notice that the number of deaths only includes those through July 17? Wonder why.

In your post you asked me to cite the numbers on which I rely. I did so.

I have repeatedly cited the Indiana Department of Health as my basic source for my data. Sample size is about 6.5 million people. Data points depart from the nation very slightly if at all. Tables are easy to read and have the important stuff.

The statistic for all of the major numbers were updated as I read it today through July 21. I don't know exactly what your observation of "wonder why" implies. Perhaps you could state your concern.

The vaccination rate in Indian is 46%. Why is this so critical to your consideration of the numbers in the tables you dismiss so readily?

 

[reflechissez]

In your post you asked me to cite the numbers on which I rely. I did so.

I have repeatedly cited the Indiana Department of Health as my basic source for my data. Sample size is about 6.5 million people. Data points depart from the nation very slightly if at all. Tables are easy to read and have the important stuff.

The statistic for all of the major numbers were updated as I read it today through July 21. I don't know exactly what your observation of "wonder why" implies. Perhaps you could state your concern.

The vaccination rate in Indian is 46%. Why is this so critical to your consideration of the numbers in the tables you dismiss so readily?

You said this:

I don't understand the last sentence.

Regarding the threat posed by the virus, it sounds like the cases are increasing. Here in Indiana, while the cases are higher, the deaths are not.

Are the Democrats once again blaming the President for mismanaging the Covid response as they have done in the past in view of the declining vaccination rates across the country?

Vaccination rate nationally seems to have fallen way off of the rate handed to Biden by Trump. It's down to a little over half of what it was.

In addition to not defining what you meant, you provided no evidence.

 

[code1211]

You said this:



In addition to not defining what you meant, you provided no evidence.

I'm not sure what you are questioning here or what the reason for the questions might be or how you could possibly have been shielded from knowing them.

Vaccinations nationally are down from both the 1.5 million injections on the day of the Inauguration and from the 4.4 million peak of vaccinations in April.

By either measure, vaccinations are down from these previous landmark days.

Cases in Indiana are up from a month ago and deaths are about flat waffling around the level of about 1.

Are you seriously unaware of the real world facts on this?

How are the COVID-19 vaccine and booster campaigns going in your state?

The U.S. is striving to vaccinate as many people as possible against COVID-19 — and keep them up-to-date with boosters. But some states are lagging behind. See how yours is faring.

www.npr.org

Indiana COVID-19 Home Dashboard

www.coronavirus.in.gov

 

[ataraxia]

I'm not sure what you are questioning here or what the reason for the questions might be or how you could possibly have been shielded from knowing them.

Vaccinations nationally are down from both the 1.5 million injections on the day of the Inauguration and from the 4.4 million peak of vaccinations in April.

By either measure, vaccinations are down from these previous landmark days.

Cases in Indiana are up from a month ago and deaths are about flat waffling around the level of about 1.

Are you seriously unaware of the real world facts on this?

How are the COVID-19 vaccine and booster campaigns going in your state?

The U.S. is striving to vaccinate as many people as possible against COVID-19 — and keep them up-to-date with boosters. But some states are lagging behind. See how yours is faring.

www.npr.org

Indiana COVID-19 Home Dashboard

www.coronavirus.in.gov

Yes- A map of the unvaccinated reflects almost entirely the map of the folks who voted for Donald Trump. It’s clear they are on a suicide mission just to try to make Biden look bad.

True, this is a free country and they can get themselves killed if they want. Biden cannot force them to help themselves. The best you can do is have the vaccine free and available at any local pharmacy they want. You cannot help it if they refused to go.

But that’s why the vaccination rate is down, and the Trump states are getting clobbered by this virus.

If you really think that’s worth the price of owning the libs, then you are free to carry on. We may wince a little bit once in a while as we watch you cutting off your own nose to spite your face. But don’t mind us. We’ll manage. You go be free!

 

[code1211]

Yes- A map of the unvaccinated reflects almost entirely the map of the folks who voted for Donald Trump. It’s clear they are on a suicide mission just to try to make Biden look bad.

True, this is a free country and they can get themselves killed if they want. Biden cannot force them to help themselves. The best you can do is have the vaccine free and available at any local pharmacy they want. You cannot help it if they refused to go.

But that’s why the vaccination rate is down, and the Trump states are getting clobbered by this virus.

If you really think that’s worth the price of owning the libs, then you are free to carry on. We may wince a little bit once in a while as we watch you cutting off your own nose to spite your face. But don’t mind us. We’ll manage. You go be free!

It is you, not me, who is making this into another us vs them topic.

Must be a Democrat thing.

IF you are looking for actual information on this, THEN here is a good site to check. If you would like to maintain your lie-based bias, you are free to continue to do so.

Your misconceptions on this might lead one to think that the Angry White Male is the guy who comprises the majority of those not vaccinated. Turns out you'd be wrong.

Latest Data on COVID-19 Vaccinations by Race/Ethnicity | KFF

KFF is collecting and analyzing data on COVID-19 vaccinations by race/ethnicity to gain increased insight who is receiving the vaccine and whether some groups are facing disparities in vaccination.

www.kff.org

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Overall, across these 40 states, the percent of White people who have received at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose (48%) was roughly 1.3 times higher than the rate for Black people (36%) and 1.2 times higher than the rate for Hispanic people (41%) as of July 19, 2021.
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[SarahSun]

Yall all know this isnt a vaccine right? Its a corona SHOT, like a flu shot. A sterile vaccine will end a virus, like polio or small pox. Corona is a non-sterile "vaccine" It might help some people but th flu shot at best is 26-29% effective. I wish i hadnt been vaccinated since, biden, the cdc, and teachers unions say they are worthless.

 

[BlueTex]

Yall all know this isnt a vaccine right? Its a corona SHOT, like a flu shot. A sterile vaccine will end a virus, like polio or small pox. Corona is a non-sterile "vaccine" It might help some people but th flu shot at best is 26-29% effective. I wish i hadnt been vaccinated since, biden, the cdc, and teachers unions say they are worthless.

 

[ataraxia]

Yall all know this isnt a vaccine right? Its a corona SHOT, like a flu shot. A sterile vaccine will end a virus, like polio or small pox. Corona is a non-sterile "vaccine" It might help some people but th flu shot at best is 26-29% effective. I wish i hadnt been vaccinated since, biden, the cdc, and teachers unions say they are worthless.

There are so many wrong things in here I don’t even know where to start. It’s beyond being salvageable. Where do you get all this information, Fox News or something?

 

[noonereal]

Yall all know this isnt a vaccine right?

This is incorrect.

mRNA's are a new type of vaccine.

It most certainly is a vaccine.

Peace

 

[Old 'N Chill]

If the vaccine is safe, why did the government grant Pfizer and Moderna total immunity from liability lawsuits?

 

[Ethel2]

Yall all know this isnt a vaccine right? Its a corona SHOT, like a flu shot. A sterile vaccine will end a virus, like polio or small pox. Corona is a non-sterile "vaccine" It might help some people but th flu shot at best is 26-29% effective. I wish i hadnt been vaccinated since, biden, the cdc, and teachers unions say they are worthless.

It meets every criteria for a vaccine. Its made from synthetic RNA , the same RNA sequence that the virus uses to make spike protein .
Its a vaccine regardless of whether you think it is or isn’t. But you can call it whatever you like. The medical profession calls it a vaccine.
Here’s the definition:

a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

 

[bluesmoke]

That would be an argument to get them vaccinated.

bluesmoke, I understand what you are saying, but the great majority of America will not trust Trump's opinions now.

Will not is a future we can literally ill afford. There is a substantial minority of Trumpster non-vaxxers that could prolong the lifetime of COVID-19 to mutate from the Delta variant to another variant level that current vaccine cannot handle. Just like our global failure to follow safe practice allowed the time for the Delta variant to progress as it has.

 

[joko104]

We always can always hope the government will decide to shut down their 2 greatest super spreaders.

1.) Specifically, shut down Amazon Prime shipping covid-19 to tens of millions of homes and businesses every month by overnight delivery - noting Amazon admitted tens of thousands of their employees are covid-19 positive. Being young and strong it like most are asymptomatic.

2.) Close the #1 on-site covid-19 brick and mortar covid-19 infection centers - WalMarts.

While corporate media certain will continue to furiously oppose either, rather will continue to do all possible to urge forcing people to become infected in this manner, possible others of you will warn those they know of such dangers.

 

[DataPoint]

We always can always hope the government will decide to shut down their 2 greatest super spreaders.

1.) Specifically, shut down Amazon Prime shipping covid-19 to tens of millions of homes and businesses every month by overnight delivery - noting Amazon admitted tens of thousands of their employees are covid-19 positive. Being young and strong it like most are asymptomatic.

2.) Close the #1 on-site covid-19 brick and mortar covid-19 infection centers - WalMarts.

While corporate media certain will continue to furiously oppose either, rather will continue to do all possible to urge forcing people to become infected in this manner, possible others of you will warn those they know of such dangers.

Great suggestion but already exploded.

 

[joko104]

Great suggestion but already exploded.

What the hell does that mean?

 

[DataPoint]

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Will not is a future we can literally ill afford. There is a substantial minority of Trumpster non-vaxxers that could prolong the lifetime of COVID-19 to mutate from the Delta variant to another variant level that current vaccine cannot handle. Just like our global failure to follow safe practice allowed the time for the Delta variant to progress as it has.

"The Omega Strain" ... too bad movies won't exist because it would end up being a blockbuster film.
But there won't be enough civilization left to either produce it, distribute it, or watch it.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Neither the fanatics nor the faint-hearted are needed. And our duty as a party is not to our party alone, but to the Nation, and, indeed., to all mankind. Our duty is not merely the preservation of political power but the preservation of peace and freedom.

So let us not be petty when our cause is so great. Let us not quarrel amongst ourselves when our Nation's future is at stake.

 

[iguanaman]

How is it that a guy that nearly died from covid, then later got secretely vaccinated even though already having the post illness antibodies, becomes the poster boy for an antivax movement?? There's crazy, and then there's just plain moronic. Put the left/right politics aside for a minute and explain how that works please.

Money or power most likely both. There is big money being paid into the anti-vaccine hoax that is clear. Even Putin is in of the action. He has got cash to burn. The goal is simple. Destabilize the U.S. so it is easier to steal power.

 

[iguanaman]

I know a lady who went permanently blind in her left eye because shingles affected that part of her forehead, and then ended up involving the optic nerve there as well. She was treated with high dose steroid and antiviral medications (with all sorts of side effects) for a while with no benefit. So she went to several big eye hospitals and big name famous professors of ophthalmology and subspecialists for this kind of thing for all sorts of second and third opinions- but in the end there was not much more anyone could do for her. Now, she is not only blind in that eye, but lives with severe chronic eye pain, despite the strong pain medications she takes. They tell her the pain should start to get better over the next few years, but the vision is lost permanently.

Shingles really can be pretty nasty stuff.

Damn you are scaring me...Now I have to get a shingles vax...

 

[code1211]

Will not is a future we can literally ill afford. There is a substantial minority of Trumpster non-vaxxers that could prolong the lifetime of COVID-19 to mutate from the Delta variant to another variant level that current vaccine cannot handle. Just like our global failure to follow safe practice allowed the time for the Delta variant to progress as it has.

Minorities are avoiding vaccines in higher percentages of of their demographic than are "Whites".

Trying to make this into yet another neat and tidy "us vs them" proposition only marks you as a victim of the legacy media's propaganda.

 

[RealityNow]

Ignorance is sending them to the Hospital... and they only have themselves to blame. It's likely ignorance will be a culling of people who aspire to be and maintain being in denial of the deadly consequences of the virus.

there is enough vaccines and there is enough information and there is enough additional incentives, as if the awareness of the massive losses of life, should have been incentive enough, still many states created many incentives.

At some point it's time to send the hospital bill to the 'Unvaccinated" if they survive, let them strap themselves with the massive medical bill for services provided to them.

Some may think they are being smart playing political stupidity of denial as if they think it will hurt Biden and Democrats, because they send themselves to the hospital or the cemetery.

It's like a new model of Trumpism's Republican Conservative functioning like a Jim Jones cult.