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Why are guns so important to Americans?

No no, you guys are right. I no longer see any negative correlation between human beings and guns. I'm sure that I can easily google child accidentally shot and I will get few results now. After all, who knows how many dangerous rapist minorities will comes kicking in my door tonight. How will I protect my scared ass from danger? Your right, guns do so much more good than harm. Too bad the liberals don't show all those good heroic stories on the news every night. Thanks for edjumacating this dumb latte drinking liberal with his copper gutters in his gated community. I can sleep soundly now with a gun under my pillow and a **** in my ***.

How do I edit a post? They didn't teach me that in college because I am stupit liberal socialist latte drinker. :rofl

Is it sad that your most sarcastic post is also the most accurate?

The inability of some to adequately lock up their firearms is not a reason to deny everyone the right. That is like saying that because some protests become violent, no one should have freedom of assembly. Before you say they are completely different, I have prepared an explanation of how they are similar:

1.Both are Constitutionally gauranteed rights
2.Neither have specific parameters outlined for their protection or limitation
3.Both have been defended by the Supreme Court

No one here said you were stupid. They said they disagreed with you. Sulking around using sarcasm inorder to make your opponents look stupid doesn't accomplish anything.
 
My cousin was raised with guns also but at the age of 15 was shot in the head by another hunter who was careless with his gun.
 
My cousin was raised with guns also but at the age of 15 was shot in the head by another hunter who was careless with his gun.


Sorry to hear that. If you'll investigate the posts at some of the links I provided, you'll find that accidental gun deaths are far more rare than automobile fatalities, and far lower than estimated defensive gun use annually.

Almost everyone in my family and almost all my friends own guns. I don't know anyone who died in a firearm accident. I know only one person (out of thousands of aquaintances) who committed suicide by firearm. I know five people right off the top of my head who have defended themself against a criminal with a firearm.


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Sure it was, that's why you didn't use the Edit function.

You obviously didn't read much of the thread. Tons of proof have been posted that the issue of accidental gun deaths of children is overhyped, and that guns are used defensively dozens of times more often than for murder, suicide or in accidents. If you can't be bothered to read the thread, than I can't be bothered to re-post it all.

Your soundbite points are lame anti-gun crap that's already been posted, debated, and disproven in this thread alone at least twice.

If all you have left is sneeringly superior derision and lame insults, then go away, troll.

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I've just been ignoring this guy...not with the ignore function, just skipping over his posts.

Maybe one day if he brings an argument to the table I'll dignify it with a good-faith effort.
 
My cousin was raised with guns also but at the age of 15 was shot in the head by another hunter who was careless with his gun.
I'm sorry to hear about your cousin as well, hunting accidents typically come from ignorance or laxidaisical use of proper safety protocol, which is why people really need to trust their hunting groups, and I cannot begin to tell you there are stupid hunters on public land(I don't have the money or time for a lease, so I don't hunt because I won't hunt public for personal safety reasons) and it's a true shame, safe hunting is mainly communication and common sense, but tragic incidents do happen. My condolences.
 
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1. Your typical American lives their life in fear of its own citizens


nonsense

2. Guns provide a false sense of security because of no. 1

Balderdash!


3. Everyone believes they are a responsible gun owner

80 million gun owners, 99.99999% are.



4. People like things that are considered dangerous


Is this what attracts you to liberalism and statism?



5. Years of political pandering has convinced the simpletons that freedom means owning a gun


So you think its wise to insult "fearful, irresponsible" gun owners? If what you say is true, this would be a "simpletons" move on your part.

6. There are 2 different Americas in every state- Rural vs. Urban/suburban

And Kansas does not border an ocean. good for you! :lol:
 
Same typical pro-gun ideologies that have been beaten to death on other forums, which by the way do nothing but enable the same old sad results. And then you wonder why you get so much guff from the anti-gun crowd when a child is accidentally shot every other day in America.


uhm in 2003 there were 83 childeren accidentally shot. please lets try and be honest when debating. thanks.



People I've known that have committed suicide by gun-4
People I know that attempted to commit suicide by other means that didn't die-6.
People I've known that were killed by a gun as a result of a homicide-2

People I know that have been robbed by a home intruder-5.
People that I know who were in danger by that home intrusion-0.)



i think you need new friends, perhaps less depressed ones...:lol:
 
uhm in 2003 there were 83 childeren accidentally shot. please lets try and be honest when debating. thanks.







i think you need new friends, perhaps less depressed ones...:lol:

Rev, you know that "children" are defined as anyone 28 or younger.

Come on, quit being so wrong and dumb. :( Jeez.


I really can't believe this thread is still going. :)
 
You thought that was a taunt?!?!?!?

That was a factual description of what I did.

Yes...because that's what it was. I can see no other reason to mention what you thought was logic except as a disdainful comparison to my approach.

There was no implication. You definitely didn't use any logic. And You have never once cited a source.

My command of the subject comes from a wide variety of resources but no single, easily-cited source. The material isn't as easily mastered as your naive approach indicates you believe it is.
 
Yes...because that's what it was. I can see no other reason to mention what you thought was logic except as a disdainful comparison to my approach.



My command of the subject comes from a wide variety of resources but no single, easily-cited source. The material isn't as easily mastered as your naive approach indicates you believe it is.

Translation:

I'm a meglomaniac, and believe the ideas that run out of my mind are the best and will not listen nor qualify your sources / information.. as I don't care. btw, I'm a huge troll.
 
Yes...because that's what it was. I can see no other reason to mention what you thought was logic except as a disdainful comparison to my approach.

Translation: "Don't call me out on my weak asinine arguments, you'll make me cry".



My command of the subject comes from a wide variety of resources but no single, easily-cited source. The material isn't as easily mastered as your naive approach indicates you believe it is.

Transaltion: "I make **** up".


;)
 
People I've known that have committed suicide by gun-4
People I know that attempted to commit suicide by other means that didn't die-6.
People I've known that were killed by a gun as a result of a homicide-2

People I know that have been robbed by a home intruder-5.
People that I know who were in danger by that home intrusion-0.)

My bee-ess warning just went off.
 
Yes...because that's what it was. I can see no other reason to mention what you thought was logic except as a disdainful comparison to my approach.



My command of the subject comes from a wide variety of resources but no single, easily-cited source. The material isn't as easily mastered as your naive approach indicates you believe it is.

You have command of the subject? :thinking: That's news to me.

If you are so knowledgeable, why don't you list a few of your sources so that us mere mortals can learn to be like the all knowing JoeSteel. :thumbs:

He didn't say the material was easy, he just backed up his argument with credible sources. You know, like you do in a research paper to prove you aren't full of crap...You could try it sometime.

Oh and BTW: People don't listen to people who insinuate they are stupid. I doubt any of us would notice if you actually came up with a decent argument at this point.
 
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Response to OP
1. Your typical American lives their life in fear of its own citizens
Show this to be true.
2. Guns provide a false sense of security because of no. 1
Show this to be true.
3. Everyone believes they are a responsible gun owner
The huge majority of those that do are correct.
4. People like things that are considered dangerous
So?
5. Years of political pandering has convinced the simpletons that freedom means owning a gun
Show this to be true
6. There are 2 different Americas in every state- Rural vs. Urban/suburban
So?
 
Same typical pro-gun ideologies that have been beaten to death on other forums, which by the way do nothing but enable the same old sad results. And then you wonder why you get so much guff from the anti-gun crowd when a child is accidentally shot every other day in America.

The accident rate with guns is really low, lower than that for dieing because of falling down. Are you going to construct a "Won't someone PLEASE think of the children" argument for gravity?
 
People I've known that have committed suicide by gun-4
People I know that attempted to commit suicide by other means that didn't die-6.
People I've known that were killed by a gun as a result of a homicide-2

People I know that have been robbed by a home intruder-5.
People that I know who were in danger by that home intrusion-0.)

Cry me a river. People choose to commit suicide all the time, it's sad and some are successful and that's unfortunate as well. Guns increase the likelihood of success as well, it's true. But do we infringe upon the rights of the individual because some people in society have taken advantage of a right? I don't think so, I think it would be pretty poor sport to say get rid of free practice and expression of religion because of the Scientologists. If we nix free speech because some have incited to riot or slandered, or press because of libel, or protection against unreasonable search and seizure because some criminals hid evidence of a crime.

I see no reason to use government force against the free exercise of our rights because some percentage of our population has taken advantage or used improperly the tools of that right. Free is not totally safe, never has been, never will be. Deal with it.
 
People I've known that have committed suicide by gun-4
People I know that attempted to commit suicide by other means that didn't die-6.
People I've known that were killed by a gun as a result of a homicide-2

People I know that have been robbed by a home intruder-5.
People that I know who were in danger by that home intrusion-0.)
Number of guns in the US: 300,000,000

% of those guns used in crime: 0.2
% of those guns used to murder: 0.004

What's your point?
 
Yes...because that's what it was. I can see no other reason to mention what you thought was logic except as a disdainful comparison to my approach.



My command of the subject comes from a wide variety of resources but no single, easily-cited source. The material isn't as easily mastered as your naive approach indicates you believe it is.




Your ass? :2razz::2razz:
 
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What would they say?

Oh, yeah.. anectodal evidence... then they would roll their smug eyes out of their sockets and be on their way.
Yeah, you're right.

Of course, it's not very anecdotal to those directly involved. Bodies just up the street, home invader running around...all of which can be verified with police reports, coroner reports, etc.

But again, you're correct, the average anti-gun nut isn't going to care about anything like "personal safety" or "self defense".
 
Carrying arms is the privilege and the duty of a gentleman. A weapon represents my ability to defend myself, my family, and my tribe-- and being allowed to carry a weapon signifies that I am a member of my tribe and that I am worthy to bear arms in its defense.

A man who refuses to carry a weapon is a freeloader at best and a coward at worst. A man who is denied the right to carry a weapon is a slave.

And no matter what anyone tells you, or even what you tell yourself, noone ever has their weapons taken from them "for their own good"; such a thing only happens for the good of the people taking the weapons away, and it often comes at a heavy price to those who allow themselves to be disarmed.

Unfortunately we don't may in Europa carrying arms. We must trust our politically correct morons politicans who do not protect us against violence, crime, child molesters.

Only such country is free where citizen may have guns as private property.
 
Carrying arms is the privilege and the duty of a gentleman. A weapon represents my ability to defend myself, my family, and my tribe-- and being allowed to carry a weapon signifies that I am a member of my tribe and that I am worthy to bear arms in its defense.

A man who refuses to carry a weapon is a freeloader at best and a coward at worst. A man who is denied the right to carry a weapon is a slave.

And no matter what anyone tells you, or even what you tell yourself, noone ever has their weapons taken from them "for their own good"; such a thing only happens for the good of the people taking the weapons away, and it often comes at a heavy price to those who allow themselves to be disarmed.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/toast/51474-toast-korimyr-rat.html
 
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