Why Are Dems So Sycophantic Towards Obama?

[Moot]

blindly following leaders tends to be a left wing proclivity since left-wingers crave collectivist action

Say, wasn't it your party that blindly led us into a war based on false evidence and increased the debt more than any party in US history?

 

[Moot]

I love when Obama lovers claim that the US is more respected now. That often means that the current leader is less likely to push the Pro-American agenda than the last guy. Liberals think our president should kowtow to foreign interests than Conservatives usually do. Obama is an appeaser

Thats what the polls show. So who are we gonna believe, you or the polls?

 

[TurtleDude]

Say, wasn't it your party that blindly led us into a war based on false evidence and increased the debt more than any party in US history?

Uh no, What Bush said was no different than what Mr Hide the Cigar said

 

[TurtleDude]

Thats what the polls show. So who are we gonna believe, you or the polls?

You apparently didn't understand what I said. I couldn't care less if we are more popular with jihadists, eurosocialists and communist appeasers. In fact the more popular we are with such scum, the worse off we are

 

[Moot]

Uh no, What Bush said was no different than what Mr Hide the Cigar said

Uh, what Bush said and what Bush did are two different things. It's takes a special kind of idiot to go to war under false pretenses...for his daddy.

 

[TurtleDude]

Uh, what Bush said and what Bush did are two different things. It's takes a special kind of idiot to go to war under false pretenses...for his daddy.

as usual you are assuming facts not in evidence

 

[Dooble]

Just curious. I mean he is not popular. His signature policy "achievement"is quite unpopular. Yet Dems in congress,even from red states,vote lockstep for anything he wants. Likewise on this forum. The level of fealty to him on here by some borders on that shown towards a monarch,not an elected leader.

Obama is a good Democrat. That's really all he needs to be. It's all any liberal needs to be.

 

[Moot]

You apparently didn't understand what I said. I couldn't care less if we are more popular with jihadists, eurosocialists and communist appeasers. In fact the more popular we are with such scum, the worse off we are

No, I didn't misunderstand you. I love it when tea party hacks go into denial about something they said. Because it makes them look like liars and hypocrits.

I love when Obama lovers claim that the US is more respected now. That often means that the current leader is less likely to push the Pro-American agenda than the last guy. Liberals think our president should kowtow to foreign interests than Conservatives usually do. Obama is an appeaser.

 

[Moot]

as usual you are assuming facts not in evidence

as usual you're spewing hyperbole.

 

[Paschendale]

Liberals tend to give Obama the benefit of the doubt in terms of his intent. We're pretty pissed about some of his results. We are not blind to his support for government surveillance, or for letting big business interests run unchecked, or to the military interventionist policies of his predecessors. We also see that the alternatives presented by conservatives are just as bad and often worse. As I have said many times, there is no party of small government or hands off government. There is no party that doesn't cater to the interests of big business and especially the banks.

Liberals are critical of Obama, but we know that he's one of the best of the available choices.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

They stopped the economy from sinking into another great depression and passed one of the biggest major reforms this country has seen since FDR. I'd say they solved some real problems...or at least prevented them from getting worse. What have Republicans done?

The bailout stemming the flood was performed under the GWB administration, so wrong. The stimulus, though touted by Obama to be the cure and to get us back to general Bush era employment rates, only sank us deeper in debt. All those shovel ready jobs? Remember those that 0 promised us?

Obama jokes about 'shovel-ready projects'

...good for the comedians perhaps, the rest of us that are working are paying the piper...

You have the tea party Republicans to thank for that.

Wow, just throw the kitchen sink at the tea parties... that will cure everything from a libs point of view, huh? Purely Nonsensical.

The majority say they don't want Obamacare...but they like the separate parts that are in it. The fact that it hasn't taken effect yet is a bit premature to say it's not working.

Separate the parts...trying to force this big horse pill with all sorts of other addicting government drugs down our throats isnt working, its not going down. The fact that everyone and his brother is trying to get out from under this train wreck is significant even though it has not yet been implemented. Who wants to play Russian Roulette with only one missing bullet. Hardly any of us are that foolish.

BTW, have you read the Affordable Care Act? I have and its not 3000 pages long with 10K regulations. It's only 906 pages and fairly easy to read if you care to actually read it so you can have a more informed opinion.....

Text of H.R. 3590 (111th): Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Passed Congress/Enrolled Bill version) - GovTrack.us

Well, if its that easy, just explain it to me. Here. I am an intelligent person.

And just to test you, what if I get throat cancer and have not paid to get the insurance necessary. What happens then? What coverage am I afforded? And are they going to throw me in jail if i still do not get the insurance?

You are extremely misinformed. The deficit has been shrinking at a faster rate than at any time since WW2....

U.S. Deficit Shrinking At Fastest Pace Since WWII, Before Fiscal Cliff - Investors.com

And I am supposed to believe Jed Graham because...why? Do you know what the average deficit was under GWB? Do you know what it has been under BO?

Obama’s Deficit Dodge

The public debt has leveled out to a managable level and the CBO cut it's projections in half. At the end of fiscal year 2012 the debt was 73% of GDP.....

Long-Term Budget Outlook Remains Challenging, But Recent Legislation Has Made It More Manageable — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Oh, that makes me super confident. I will be sooooooo happy when the 0 reduces it to 72%, wont you?

The US is a lot more respected now than it was under Bush...

Chapter 2. Global Opinion of Barack Obama | Pew Global Attitudes Project

Uh huh. Think we are on better terms with Israel? Germany? Canada? England? France? Russia? China, Taiwan? You just gave me another reason not to trust polls. The US in 2009 trusted the boob to make the right decision in world affairs by 74%, hogwash. We have never been that clueless. And Pew's association with the parent company that owned the Los Angeles Times, a hugely liberally biased newspaper that dying a karmic death, people are just tired of being fed liberal loads that have better benefit being dumped in the fields. Maybe a tomato will grow.

Bush did things, things that will be looked upon as great things, backed up what he said, did not lead from behind [ oxymoron ], knew his allies... who are our good allies now? Who is really on our team?

The only complaint of yours that's valid is the government spying on US citizens. The rest is just mindless partisan hackery. If you want to run around like a chicken little thats your business...but I prefer to be informed and make up my own mind.

And those who live in glasses little lady, should not be throwing pipe bombs. You are just as lost as most other liberals...doing what you think is the right thing in the most superficial manners.

 

[windowdressing]

The bailout stemming the flood was performed under the GWB administration, so wrong. The stimulus, though touted by Obama to be the cure and to get us back to general Bush era employment rates, only sank us deeper in debt. All those shovel ready jobs? Remember those that 0 promised us?

Obama jokes about 'shovel-ready projects'

...good for the comedians perhaps, the rest of us that are working are paying the piper...

Wow, just throw the kitchen sink at the tea parties... that will cure everything from a libs point of view, huh? Purely Nonsensical.

Separate the parts...trying to force this big horse pill with all sorts of other addicting government drugs down our throats isnt working, its not going down. The fact that everyone and his brother is trying to get out from under this train wreck is significant even though it has not yet been implemented. Who wants to play Russian Roulette with only one missing bullet. Hardly any of us are that foolish.



Well, if its that easy, just explain it to me. Here. I am an intelligent person.

And just to test you, what if I get throat cancer and have not paid to get the insurance necessary. What happens then? What coverage am I afforded? And are they going to throw me in jail if i still do not get the insurance?


And I am supposed to believe Jed Graham because...why? Do you know what the average deficit was under GWB? Do you know what it has been under BO?

Obama’s Deficit Dodge


Oh, that makes me super confident. I will be sooooooo happy when the 0 reduces it to 72%, wont you?


Uh huh. Think we are on better terms with Israel? Germany? Canada? England? France? Russia? China, Taiwan? You just gave me another reason not to trust polls. The US in 2009 trusted the boob to make the right decision in world affairs by 74%, hogwash. We have never been that clueless. And Pew's association with the parent company that owned the Los Angeles Times, a hugely liberally biased newspaper that dying a karmic death, people are just tired of being fed liberal loads that have better benefit being dumped in the fields. Maybe a tomato will grow.

Bush did things, things that will be looked upon as great things, backed up what he said, did not lead from behind [ oxymoron ], knew his allies... who are our good allies now? Who is really on our team?


And those who live in glasses little lady, should not be throwing pipe bombs. You are just as lost as most other liberals...doing what you think is the right thing in the most superficial manners.

I take it that you don't approve of Obama and his presidency ... Am I right? I feel bad for you ... he has more than three years left ... you guys should've done more in November to win ... for example, you could've had more respect for poor and working-class people, you could've left women's vaggies alone, you could've fielded a viable candidate (or at least told him that Iran and Syria don't share a border and that Iran has its own access to the sea), you should've respected people's right to vote and not tried to prevent them from voting, ... in other words, you could've understood much better what this country is about and you could've put this country ahead of party ... you could've been more competent ... so, please, enough of the whining ...

 

[VanceMack]

It's hysterical when partisan hacks tell other people that they're blindly supporting a party that they themselves venomously oppose and blindly disagree with.

Yes...I'm a libertarian partisan hack.

:rolleyes

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

I take it that you don't approve of Obama and his presidency ... Am I right? I feel bad for you ... he has more than three years left ... you guys should've done more in November to win ... for example, you could've had more respect for poor and working-class people, you could've left women's vaggies alone, you could've fielded a viable candidate (or at least told him that Iran and Syria don't share a border and that Iran has its own access to the sea), you should've respected people's right to vote and not tried to prevent them from voting, ... in other words, you could've understood much better what this country is about and you could've put this country ahead of party ... you could've been more competent ... so, please, enough of the whining ...

We are a party of principles, we don't just change with the wind. Gives the people a choice, go for the good hard working guys or go for the guys with shallow feel good sayings, Forward!, Hope and Change, those who only appear to be modern day Robin Hoods, that steal from the hardworking [ labeled all as the "rich"] and give to the poor [which range from those never caring to work all the way up to millionaires, on both sides if we are being intellectually honest ]...

We have so much respect for the poor and working classes we are them and want to welcome them to where we are all headed, to the working middle class and above, just depending on hard work, desire, effort, skills and sometimes a bit of luck... but we can all make it. We are just not going to hand it to you though, things always feel and taste better if they are earned... so we want people to live the better life, the good and satisfied lives. We do leave women alone, heck we love women, want to have kids with them, want to marry them... but do not want women who kill their children or desire to allow others to kill their own children.

You talking about our guy that knows how to run a business, that has been successful and ran against the candidate that said he had visited 57 of the US states? Who never had a truly productive job in his life. Give me a break, our guy was genius compared to yours, yours just had the media slobberingly in the tank ... softball after softball question, letting him off the hook so many times and then ol Crowley, at a very important juncture in the campaign, jumped in, cannonball style, making a big splash in the debate drenching the wrong side, the right side of the political spectrum.

Listen, we all have endure the 0 for three more years, you will finally sicken of him too. The economy might improve, but it will be despite him.

And... Please refrain from trying to tell us how to win campaigns or how to feel, if we wanted to be truly confused, we would change parties... I mean BO won 51%, you narrowly have the Senate, we have the House, which is closest to the people, like 37 governorships, 24 of those with both houses, so writing our obit at this point, feeling a bit big for your britches, is a bit more than premature there, window, and silly to boot.

Why, did you feel depressed when GWB won two in a row? Perhaps we just understand life, know that it has its peaks and the occasional valley, like now. But we will build the roads to the top for the whole country, and we are gonna be swinging hard at the fast balls and curve balls... so watch out if you are pitching them...

Got it? Good.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

Say, wasn't it your party that blindly led us into a war based on false evidence and increased the debt more than any party in US history?

NO.... and good lord, NOT EVEN CLOSE. You can no more back either of those statements up than an elephant can do the cha cha in a telephone booth.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

Uh, what Bush said and what Bush did are two different things. It's takes a special kind of idiot to go to war under false pretenses...for his daddy.

Perhaps takes someone even more challenged to believe those to be the real facts of the matter. Again, care to prove the point rather than just cast the ad hominem aspersions? We are not so far from the real facts that the liberals have been able to completely erase the truths.

 

[Moot]

The bailout stemming the flood was performed under the GWB administration, so wrong. The stimulus, though touted by Obama to be the cure and to get us back to general Bush era employment rates, only sank us deeper in debt. All those shovel ready jobs? Remember those that 0 promised us?

Obama jokes about 'shovel-ready projects'

...good for the comedians perhaps, the rest of us that are working are paying the piper...

I don't know about yours but those shovel ready jobs have been in full swing in my ultra conservative state for over three years now and still going strong.

10 Utah road construction projects to watch for this year | 24saltlake.com
Road Construction - Standard-Examiner - Top of Utah News & Multimedia
Utah Department of Transportation,

What really hurt was the sequester causing all those conservatives who bought big trucks, RVs, boats, ATVs not being able to afford their loan payments. ow

Wow, just throw the kitchen sink at the tea parties... that will cure everything from a libs point of view, huh? Purely Nonsensical.

No, whats nonsense is the threat to shut down the government if they don't get their way. Even ol Boehner admits that the tea party is a big problem in congress. It's hard to reason with turnips.

GOP lawmakers split on threat to shut down government over Obamacare – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Boehner to Tea Party Reps: Play Ball or You

Boehner To Tea Party: 'Get Your Ass In Line' | New York Daily News

Separate the parts...trying to force this big horse pill with all sorts of other addicting government drugs down our throats isnt working, its not going down. The fact that everyone and his brother is trying to get out from under this train wreck is significant even though it has not yet been implemented. Who wants to play Russian Roulette with only one missing bullet. Hardly any of us are that foolish.

How do you know it's not working if it hasn't even been implemented yet?

Well, if its that easy, just explain it to me. Here. I am an intelligent person.

Apparently not, if you can't read it for yourself.

And just to test you, what if I get throat cancer and have not paid to get the insurance necessary. What happens then? What coverage am I afforded? And are they going to throw me in jail if i still do not get the insurance?

You become a welfare queen. Congratulations.

And I am supposed to believe Jed Graham because...why? Do you know what the average deficit was under GWB? Do you know what it has been under BO?

Because he's right....

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2014/assets/14msr.pdf

Oh, that makes me super confident. I will be sooooooo happy when the 0 reduces it to 72%, wont you?

I don't really care.

Uh huh. Think we are on better terms with Israel? Germany? Canada? England? France? Russia? China, Taiwan? You just gave me another reason not to trust polls. The US in 2009 trusted the boob to make the right decision in world affairs by 74%, hogwash. We have never been that clueless. And Pew's association with the parent company that owned the Los Angeles Times, a hugely liberally biased newspaper that dying a karmic death, people are just tired of being fed liberal loads that have better benefit being dumped in the fields. Maybe a tomato will grow.

Whatever. Perhaps when you post something relevent then we'll talk again, mk?

 

[Moot]

Perhaps takes someone even more challenged to believe those to be the real facts of the matter. Again, care to prove the point rather than just cast the ad hominem aspersions? We are not so far from the real facts that the liberals have been able to completely erase the truths.

Here ya go...the facts of the matter.....

"...In discussing the threat posed by Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, Bush said: "After all, this is the guy who tried to kill my dad."....

He said the Iraqi leader's "hatred" was largely directed at the United States and added: "After all, this is the guy who tried to kill my dad."

In his speech September 12 to the United Nations on Iraq, Bush mentioned the alleged plot to kill a former U.S. president but did not mention that it was his father. The alleged assassination attempt came when former President Bush visited Kuwait during the Clinton administration. The former president had orchestrated the U.S.-led coalition that pushed the Iraqi army from Kuwait in the Persian Gulf War....
CNN.com - Bush calls Saddam 'the guy who tried to kill my dad' - Sep. 27, 2002

 

[Fisher]

Libs stand by their man and follow him over a cliff like lemmings, it's just who and what they are.

Ironically though they are using Ronald Reagan's playbook to do it. Criticize no republican has become quite the opposite

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

I don't know about yours but those shovel ready jobs have been in full swing in my ultra conservative state for over three years now and still going strong.

10 Utah road construction projects to watch for this year | 24saltlake.com
Road Construction - Standard-Examiner - Top of Utah News & Multimedia
Utah Department of Transportation,

What really hurt was the sequester causing all those conservatives who bought big trucks, RVs, boats, ATVs not being able to afford their loan payments. ow

You do realize who is responsible for the sequester, right? And only because dim dems cannot, to save their own lives, cut a dime. Its all spend spend then spend and we wanna spend more, yanno? Yeah, you know.

Oh and all that silliness linked, I wont be reading your stuff anymore, but please try harder not link to stuff that absolutely wastes other people's valuable time, I mean try a little empathy...isn't that supposed to be one of the cornerstones of liberalism, what libs are supposed to be good at? That and diversity of thought, at least as long as everyone believes like you do.

Out of the almost 1 trillion in 0'stim money, 100 bil went to shovel ready...most the rest went to pay off teachers and unions, buy/influence votes for next election...and the economy did just what the big zer 0 said it would do...oh, wait, maybe not...

PolitiFact | PolitiFact's guide to sequestration
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/04/opinion/keller-obamas-fault.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Are You Out There, Stimulus? It's Me, The Taxpayer. - Hit & Run : Reason.com

No, whats nonsense is the threat to shut down the government if they don't get their way. Even ol Boehner admits that the tea party is a big problem in congress. It's hard to reason with turnips.

GOP lawmakers split on threat to shut down government over Obamacare – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Boehner to Tea Party Reps: Play Ball or You

Boehner To Tea Party: 'Get Your Ass In Line' | New York Daily News

Yeah, listening to Boehner, well, is almost like listening to Nancy or Harry [ except they both sound like girls ] or the big zer 0 himself... establishment types, in for the cronyism, big business and fat cats who can either bring the green or the votes if you bring them the green. I ll stick with my tea party types, they are independent, have and maintain values, know their history and respect the founders...your guys are all on board with Marx, Lennin, Mao and the other Lennon ... Imagine there's no freedom, its easy if you try, no hell below us [ just all around us], above us only Mao, Imagine all the people, living life in serfdooooOOoooommmmMMMmmm, ...well, you know the rest.

Besides, wont hurt a thing to shut the govt down, been done lots of times. The big zer 0 is usually on vacation or the golf course anyhow, so who will notice?

How do you know it's not working if it hasn't even been implemented yet?

Read what I wrote...its easy if you try...

Apparently not, if you can't read it for yourself.

Why do I want to read something nobody can make sense of and will only be used in the future to line the bottom of bird cages... and thanks, you have demonstrated you have not a clue either.

You become a welfare queen. Congratulations.

Yeah, me and about 300 million other folks...its free, look Martha... and and and grab the kids, its all freeeeeEEEEEeeeeeeee

Because he's right....

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2014/assets/14msr.pdf

Uh huh, yeah, and so you give an Obama website to confirm...righto....no thanks, dear, I have seen the numbers myself...

I don't really care.

Exactly, will make no difference...keep making my points, guess yours are moot [ second meaning: of little or no practical value or meaning; purely academic ] ... at this point...

Whatever. Perhaps when you post something relevent then we'll talk again, mk?

That is all I post, well, not relevent but rather relevant.... but nahhh, I do not see us ever having the possibility of discussing too much of importance critically, would be too much to expect, one of us, not me, would have to study up, change points of view, not necessarily to mine, but one closer to the facts.

Good try with Jed tho, but the 0 website back up, c'mon...

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

Here ya go...the facts of the matter.....

Yeah, that proves it for certain, nailed it completely down...thanks, now I know where to go if I ever need...ummmm...no, actually I never need ANY of that...

 

[windowdressing]

We are a party of principles, we don't just change with the wind. Gives the people a choice, go for the good hard working guys or go for the guys with shallow feel good sayings, Forward!, Hope and Change, those who only appear to be modern day Robin Hoods, that steal from the hardworking [ labeled all as the "rich"] and give to the poor [which range from those never caring to work all the way up to millionaires, on both sides if we are being intellectually honest ]...

We have so much respect for the poor and working classes we are them and want to welcome them to where we are all headed, to the working middle class and above, just depending on hard work, desire, effort, skills and sometimes a bit of luck... but we can all make it. We are just not going to hand it to you though, things always feel and taste better if they are earned... so we want people to live the better life, the good and satisfied lives. We do leave women alone, heck we love women, want to have kids with them, want to marry them... but do not want women who kill their children or desire to allow others to kill their own children.

You talking about our guy that knows how to run a business, that has been successful and ran against the candidate that said he had visited 57 of the US states? Who never had a truly productive job in his life. Give me a break, our guy was genius compared to yours, yours just had the media slobberingly in the tank ... softball after softball question, letting him off the hook so many times and then ol Crowley, at a very important juncture in the campaign, jumped in, cannonball style, making a big splash in the debate drenching the wrong side, the right side of the political spectrum.

Listen, we all have endure the 0 for three more years, you will finally sicken of him too. The economy might improve, but it will be despite him.

And... Please refrain from trying to tell us how to win campaigns or how to feel, if we wanted to be truly confused, we would change parties... I mean BO won 51%, you narrowly have the Senate, we have the House, which is closest to the people, like 37 governorships, 24 of those with both houses, so writing our obit at this point, feeling a bit big for your britches, is a bit more than premature there, window, and silly to boot.

Why, did you feel depressed when GWB won two in a row? Perhaps we just understand life, know that it has its peaks and the occasional valley, like now. But we will build the roads to the top for the whole country, and we are gonna be swinging hard at the fast balls and curve balls... so watch out if you are pitching them...

Got it? Good.

I never said you didn't have principles ... they're just the wrong ones ... and, yes, I was upset that Bush won twice and we paid dearly for it (but you guys didn't seem to notice ... hmmmm, I wonder why?), as to the rest of your post, just more whining ... next time win ... good night son ...

 

[StillBallin75]

For the same reasons so many righties seem to have Obama Derangement Syndrome.

 

[Hard Truth]

... Its about the fact that the left is the party of collective thought and sheep like group think. ...

Anyone who would say that has never been to a meeting of leftists. The left is comprised of very diverse people with a wide variety of interests, priorities and preferred tactics. I suspect most leftists would agree that we would be more effective if we could achieve more unity.

 

[obvious Child]

Just curious. I mean he is not popular. His signature policy "achievement"is quite unpopular.

It's not unpopular when you break down the individual parts and explain them separately. The GOP Is having a hard time replacing Obamacare because majority of Americans like the parts. No donut hole, no refusal on preconditions, free market exchanges for insurance, etc. The GOP did a good job at demonizing at the whole level something that people like at the part level.

Yet Dems in congress,even from red states,vote lockstep for anything he wants.

Such as....?

You seem very young.

What is more amusing is that people who backed Bush 100% are against what is effectively a third and forth Bush term.