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...are the cowboy neocons now?

Ask Pres. Obama and he'll tell you his policies are nothing like Bush's policies. He doesn't torture prisoners! and so on. Of course, neither did Bush for the most part, and Obama never asked Congress to make waterboarding and other procedures illegal, so he can resume doing that any time he likes.

But the President speaks with forked tongue. In all the important ways his policies are Bush's policies. What a bunch of hippo crates these guys are!

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The secretary of state boiled with moral indignation, American pride and war bluster. The defense secretary huffed that America has “moved assets in place” and is “ready” to punish the strongman. And though the president says he has yet to decide whether to attack, leaked details of the coming military action were all over the newspapers: Within “days,” US Navy ships will launch a barrage of Tomahawks at selected targets.

Have George W. Bush and his band of cowboy neo-cons retaken the White House?

If only. This time the secretary of state is John Kerry, who launched a political career opposing the Vietnam War. The defense secretary? Chuck Hagel, who revived his career by quitting his party after the Iraq war
 
I'm generally a peacenik but I am willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt.

He was a community organizer and not an oil magnate from a family with a history of making obscene profits from war. He removed Ghadaffi without spending trillions and killing lots of children. He has been trying to close Gitmo though the Republican brass won't let him. Oh, and he has no connections to Halliburton.
 
Obama supports torture. We know this already. Incontrovertible fact. A breaker of pre-election promises. Same again.
 
Benny Avni seems to know everything before it begins. Interesting. :?

...are the cowboy neocons now?

Ask Pres. Obama and he'll tell you his policies are nothing like Bush's policies. He doesn't torture prisoners! and so on. Of course, neither did Bush for the most part, and Obama never asked Congress to make waterboarding and other procedures illegal, so he can resume doing that any time he likes.

But the President speaks with forked tongue. In all the important ways his policies are Bush's policies. What a bunch of hippo crates these guys are!
Well both Presidents never tortured anyone to my knowledge. There was people in the military that were torturing people in Afghanistan during the Bush era.

But so far Syria looks like something that is going to be an airstrike - and that's if it does go down - but I believe there will be no boots on the ground.
 
I'm generally a peacenik but I am willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt.

He was a community organizer and not an oil magnate from a family with a history of making obscene profits from war. He removed Ghadaffi without spending trillions and killing lots of children. He has been trying to close Gitmo though the Republican brass won't let him. Oh, and he has no connections to Halliburton.

Benefit of the doubt? You mean your principles go under the bus for Zero.

He cheered on the people who removed Ghadaffi, people who will be killing lots of children. And US ambassadors.

The Republicans are standing in his way on GITMO? So are the Democrats. Not a single blue state will agree to take those prisoners.

And a connection with Halliburton is bad only because left wingers falsely demonized Halliburton so much.

But don't get me wrong. I don't necessarily think Obama would be wrong to do this, especially if what it really amounts to is a proxy fight with Iran. But then that comes out of my principles, not yours.
 
Both parties have been different flavors of the same ice cream since the end of WWII.

The OP is generally correct. . . all of the Clinton era (eek Bush era) policies have remained relatively unchanged. Surely we now have a wider range of marriage and relationship options in some states, but on the whole our economic, drug, immigration, anti-terrorist and foreign policy has remained unchanged.
 
There were at least two viable third party options this election cycle, not that they garnered any media attention.
 
Benefit of the doubt? You mean your principles go under the bus for Zero.

He cheered on the people who removed Ghadaffi, people who will be killing lots of children. And US ambassadors.

The Republicans are standing in his way on GITMO? So are the Democrats. Not a single blue state will agree to take those prisoners.

And a connection with Halliburton is bad only because left wingers falsely demonized Halliburton so much.

But don't get me wrong. I don't necessarily think Obama would be wrong to do this, especially if what it really amounts to is a proxy fight with Iran. But then that comes out of my principles, not yours.

I hate war but recognize that sometimes it is necessary. What I am opposed to is wars for profit that won't benefit anyone. I'd trust a community organizer who helped those less fortunate over someone who has connections with oil and the Carlyle Group.
 
I'm generally a peacenik but I am willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt.
Well, ya know...there's ALWAYS going to be those people who give 0bama a break, solely based on the color of his skin.

I hate war but recognize that sometimes it is necessary. What I am opposed to is wars for profit that won't benefit anyone. I'd trust a community organizer who helped those less fortunate over someone who has connections with oil and the Carlyle Group.
So you were OK with Hussein gassing those Kurds? You were totally fine with the rape dungeons, the public starvation, the direct threats to the United States and her allies? You don't think those people are at least a little better off? Furthermore, when we went into Iraq we had support from our allies. Where's the support for going into Syria? UK? Russia?

The only reason 0bama is considering airstrikes in Syria is because he's already got the reputation of being all the other world leaders' bὶtch. Sooner or later, he's gotta send a message that he really does have a pair.
 
Well, ya know...there's ALWAYS going to be those people who give 0bama a break, solely based on the color of his skin.


So you were OK with Hussein gassing those Kurds? You were totally fine with the rape dungeons, the public starvation, the direct threats to the United States and her allies? You don't think those people are at least a little better off? Furthermore, when we went into Iraq we had support from our allies. Where's the support for going into Syria? UK? Russia?

The only reason 0bama is considering airstrikes in Syria is because he's already got the reputation of being all the other world leaders' bὶtch. Sooner or later, he's gotta send a message that he really does have a pair.

Well said. The administration posturing reminds of a chimpanzee I once watched beating his chest in a zoo. It's what Clinton did for 8 years, and it only convinced the opposition to try something bigger on 9/11.
 
Neo-Clown game plan: Block everything Obama tries to do that they don't agree with; pass that what they do like, and then argue that Obama is just like George Bush.
 
We didn't give Cameron the benefit of the doubt. Pester your representatives to be honest for once: we did.
 
Somebody somewhere opposed a war, therefore that person must oppose all military action forever! We're being invaded? You can't try to defend our nation, you were opposed to Vietnam!
 
Somebody somewhere opposed a war, therefore that person must oppose all military action forever! We're being invaded? You can't try to defend our nation, you were opposed to Vietnam!

No...but you can't condemn one war for being "useless," and then campaign for starting another one that's far MORE useless.
 
No...but you can't condemn one war for being "useless," and then campaign for starting another one that's far MORE useless.

What if I don't perceive the other one to be useless?
 
What if I don't perceive the other one to be useless?

Do any Americans even begin to realise how complex the situation in Syria IS? The various booted two left feet that have buggered up so much of the Middle East should be retired NOW.
 
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