Who would win in a fight, Rand Paul vs. Paul Ryan

[Celebrity]

I have three hypothetical scenarios for your analysis.

1) Rand Paul vs Paul Ryan in a race for a seat in the U.S. Senate in every one of the 50 states, in the present day. If they could both appear on the ballots in 50 parallel, independent universes, what would the map look like?

2) Rand Paul vs Paul Ryan in a race for US President.

3) Like 1 and 2, Rand Paul vs Paul Ryan in your state, supposing that neither was the incumbent for the office.

I guess Rand Paul wouldn't show up to a fistfight, so let's keep this political.

 

[Crovax]

I have three hypothetical scenarios for your analysis.

1) Rand Paul vs Paul Ryan in a race for a seat in the U.S. Senate in every one of the 50 states, in the present day. If they could both appear on the ballots in 50 parallel, independent universes, what would the map look like?

2) Rand Paul vs Paul Ryan in a race for US President.

3) Like 1 and 2, Rand Paul vs Paul Ryan in your state, supposing that neither was the incumbent for the office.

I guess Rand Paul wouldn't show up to a fistfight, so let's keep this political.

I dont see Rand Paul winning anywhere outside of his home state and maybe some adjacent ones

 

[Brochacholomigo]

At first, I thought this was a literal hypothetical fight between the two. The English language does not have the capacity to describe my disappointment that such is not the case.

 

[Celebrity]

I dont see Rand Paul winning anywhere outside of his home state and maybe some adjacent ones

I agree, I think that his influence is limited. But he's from Kentucky, like the Senate Majority Leader.

In 2) the two candidates would not run against one another after the primaries, unless one of them crossed the party line. I can't imagine Rand Paul would do that. Paul Ryan seems to be the more mainstream of the two. Isn't Rand Paul supposedly Libertarian?

 

[rocket88]

Ayn Rand, Rand Paul, and Paul Ryan walk into a bar...

The bartender serves them tainted drinks because there are no regulations, and they die.

 

[TurtleDude]

Ayn Rand, Rand Paul, and Paul Ryan walk into a bar...

The bartender serves them tainted drinks because there are no regulations, and they die.

Rand Paul's family organizes a lynch mob and strings up the bartender. after that, other bartenders are afraid to serve bad drinks due to the precedent. In the long run, the quality of drinks vastly improves

 

[Celebrity]

Rand Paul's family organizes a lynch mob and strings up the bartender. after that, other bartenders are afraid to serve bad drinks due to the precedent. In the long run, the quality of drinks vastly improves

I read about Republican politicians like these two through the lens of the liberal news media in my very blue state. Do you really think it's a good idea to govern through intimidation and threats of violent beatings in a free country?

I find the Libertarian right utterly unconscionable after hearing of Rand Paul's comments on healthcare. Well, the guys got balls, that's for sure. But the Libertarian right is beginning to look like a fringe extremist group of wackjobs.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

I have three hypothetical scenarios for your analysis.

1) Rand Paul vs Paul Ryan in a race for a seat in the U.S. Senate in every one of the 50 states, in the present day. If they could both appear on the ballots in 50 parallel, independent universes, what would the map look like?

2) Rand Paul vs Paul Ryan in a race for US President.

3) Like 1 and 2, Rand Paul vs Paul Ryan in your state, supposing that neither was the incumbent for the office.

I guess Rand Paul wouldn't show up to a fistfight, so let's keep this political.

I can't believe that Crovax and I agree on something, but Paul Ryan would easily win...but probably for a different reason than Crovax sees it, since I believe that once most Americans see what libertarianism in general - and Rand/Ron Paul-style libertarianism in particular - really entail, the American voting public will leave them hanging out to dry. Libertarianism - like its polar opposite of Communism - sounds really great in theory, but it simply cannot work (at least not well) when it comes to the real world. Why? Because libertarianism and communism both require that the great majority of people have the kind of mindset that such systems need in order to work...whereas in the real world, the mindsets of the people are all over the place...and so the only two truly viable types are some kind of totalitarian rule (which doesn't care about what the people think), or some kind of democracy (which is designed to allow for the wild and varying ranges of public opinion). That's why Churchill said that democracy is the very worst system of government, except for all the other types that have been tried.

The only real problem with democracy, of course, is that once in a while, some complete idiot is elected *cough*TRUMP*cough*

 

[TurtleDude]

I read about Republican politicians like these two through the lens of the liberal news media in my very blue state. Do you really think it's a good idea to govern through intimidation and threats of violent beatings in a free country?

I find the Libertarian right utterly unconscionable after hearing of Rand Paul's comments on healthcare. Well, the guys got balls, that's for sure. But the Libertarian right is beginning to look like a fringe extremist group of wackjobs.

for those raised to believe that most people should spend all their lives on the public umbilical cord, the libertarian belief is scary. people who want to remain dependent children, cannot stand being told to grow up

 

[Celebrity]

for those raised to believe that most people should spend all their lives on the public umbilical cord, the libertarian belief is scary. people who want to remain dependent children, cannot stand being told to grow up

But how is comparing public service to slavery "growing up?" I think many take issue with this, especially with rising medical costs. Paul Ryan wants to "reform entitlements," or something, but at least he hasn't gone completely off the rails.

It's so ironic that we have the highest amount of private spending on healthcare in the U.S.

Hospitals can overcharge for basic services, and they do overcharge people who aren't insured. Can you imagine what it would be like to be living with debt from medical bills? That is the real slavery. How can a country be free if kids have to pay to grow?

It makes no sense whatsoever. The only way to maintain a consistent growth fee over time would be to indenture child slaves with a debt. Libertarianism is the slavery party. Quite a misnomer, if you ask me.

 

[TurtleDude]

But how is comparing public service to slavery "growing up?" I think many take issue with this, especially with rising medical costs. Paul Ryan wants to "reform entitlements," or something, but at least he hasn't gone completely off the rails.

It's so ironic that we have the highest amount of private spending on healthcare in the U.S.

Hospitals can overcharge for basic services, and they do overcharge people who aren't insured. Can you imagine what it would be like to be living with debt from medical bills? That is the real slavery. How can a country be free if kids have to pay to grow?

It makes no sense whatsoever. The only way to maintain a consistent growth fee over time would be to indenture child slaves with a debt. Libertarianism is the slavery party. Quite a misnomer, if you ask me.

I disagree and its really not worth going past that

 

[Celebrity]

I disagree and its really not worth going past that

How is regulating market conditions "slavery?"

 

[TurtleDude]

How is regulating market conditions "slavery?"

how is making people dependent on government enhancing freedom?

 

[Celebrity]

how is making people dependent on government enhancing freedom?

How does regulation of a market upon which goods and services are exchanged induce dependency upon governance?

 

[TurtleDude]

How does regulation of a market upon which goods and services are exchanged induce dependency upon governance?

that's not the issue, you have tried to narrow the issue to avoid the fact that non-libertarian government solutions involve the coercion of government to take from some to create dependence in others

 

[Celebrity]

that's not the issue, you have tried to narrow the issue to avoid the fact that non-libertarian government solutions involve the coercion of government to take from some to create dependence in others

Oh. Isn't that the point of capitalism?

 

[TurtleDude]

Oh. Isn't that the point of capitalism?

there is not much in capitalism that requires government coercion. socialism by definition needs more coercion and communist absolutely is dependent upon it

 

[Celebrity]

there is not much in capitalism that requires government coercion. socialism by definition needs more coercion and communist absolutely is dependent upon it

Do you think that a libertarian government can successfully govern a functional economy? I somehow doubt it. Besides, it doesn't have to be coercive.

Supposing you don't have to pay taxes to the U.S. if you're a resident of the U.S. Virgin Islands. Then why not just live on the physical islands? No one is forcing you to remain here and pay off a debt, are they?

Or if you don't want to pay taxes here, live in some other country. The government won't revoke the passport of a U.S. citizen unless they've committed some crime. Am I wrong?

 

[TurtleDude]

Do you think that a libertarian government can successfully govern a functional economy? I somehow doubt it. Besides, it doesn't have to be coercive.

Supposing you don't have to pay taxes to the U.S. if you're a resident of the U.S. Virgin Islands. Then why not just live on the physical islands? No one is forcing you to remain here and pay off a debt, are they?

Or if you don't want to pay taxes here, live in some other country. The government won't revoke the passport of a U.S. citizen unless they've committed some crime. Am I wrong?

I have no problem paying just and reasonable taxes.

 

[rocket88]

Rand Paul's family organizes a lynch mob and strings up the bartender. after that, other bartenders are afraid to serve bad drinks due to the precedent. In the long run, the quality of drinks vastly improves

What a silly response. As long as we turn a blind eye to extrajudicial killings, everything will be fine?

 

[imagep]

Rand Paul's family organizes a lynch mob and strings up the bartender. after that, other bartenders are afraid to serve bad drinks due to the precedent. In the long run, the quality of drinks vastly improves

If no one ever did wrong to others, then we would have little need for lawyers or lynch mobs. But since we apparently have both, libertarian rhetoric is disproved.

 

[TurtleDude]

What a silly response. As long as we turn a blind eye to extrajudicial killings, everything will be fine?

did you even bother to read what I was responded to, before you were triggered?

 

[TurtleDude]

If no one ever did wrong to others, then we would have little need for lawyers or lynch mobs. But since we apparently have both, libertarian rhetoric is disproved.

nope-that doesn't follow logically. one of the main functions of government that the libertarian movement in the USA agrees upon is a court system to settle disputes between citizens and adjudicated those charged with harming others

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Rand Paul's family organizes a lynch mob and strings up the bartender. after that, other bartenders are afraid to serve bad drinks due to the precedent. In the long run, the quality of drinks vastly improves

No, that's not how it works.

Their familes sue the bar and people stop patronizing the bar due to the news of the deaths. The bar goes out of business but Ayn, Rand and Paul are all still dead.

 

[MrPeanut]

I've got to think that heads up Rand would win. I haven't even heard of that many Republicans who actually like Paul Ryan, but it isn't too hard to find some people that share a little bit of common ground with Rand from Independents, Republicans, and even a few Democrats. In a real fight I have to go with Ryan. Rand basically had his rib cage caved when that middle aged dude tackled him. Not a good look.