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Who won the Vice Presidential debate?

Who won?

  • Kamala Harris

  • Mike Pence

  • Tie

  • Neither

  • Susan Page

  • The fly


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Right, but she's a woman so it's especially annoying! /s 😉
Gender or race had nothing to do with her annoying reactions and huge smile while trying to sound sympathetic.

It was like telling someone with an outgoing smile: "sorry your dad died :)"

/cringe
 
Gender or race had nothing to do with her annoying reactions and huge smile while trying to sound sympathetic.

It was like telling someone with an outgoing smile: "sorry your dad died :)"

/cringe

Meanwhile every female I asked last night identified Pence's condescending tone, one said it made them think of the movie "9 to 5", and this guy...

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She did what she had to do. He sort of did too - he didn't act like a maniac like his boss did.

Both told untruths.

He came across as sleepy and dull. Which he is. She came across as a pitbull. Which she is.

Why did Pence's mother/wife not wear her mask on stage as the rules said? Only three people were exempt from wearing masks, and she wasn't one of them.
 
While watching, my thought kept going to "why don't Pence answer any question, he deflected on every question that was asked of him. He kept talking incessantly, which is a sign the truth got to him, and he tried to spin his way out, only to make the truth stand even taller.
He had no regard for the lost lives, for someone who is suppose to be the head of the Pandemic Team, even trying to minimize the massive lost of life, by claiming they stopped flights, when people still came from China, and the East Coast suffered greatly from people coming from Europe, where Trump allowed certain flights to continue from various European Locations.
He was complicit in the race matter, and showed it with his response about Charlottesville, did not have anything respectful to say about Ms Taylor's death, and had nothing to say about the torture and murder of George Floyd.
He totally skipped over the question about what he'd do regarding Abortion in his State... and LIED saying that Democrats would unilaterally support late term abortions, when there already exist guidelines regarding late term abortion, which involve the whether there is extreme high risk to life of the mother or the child. It's not some matter that any America takes lightly.
Harris laid out that NO ONE making under $400,000.00 a year would see a tax increase, and she followed up to lay out what the increase on the wealthy would be used for. One. To return Community Colleges to No-Cost, and based on income State University would be at no cost, both of which is what it was before Ronald Reagan took funds from educations, (Ronald Reagan, did not like that poor whites, women and minorities were getting educations to put them in position to gain Middle Class Living standards, which is very important considering the Union Busting that Reagan did, which before was considered as a pathway to middle class living and wage levels).

Pence did not give any substantive response to Climate Change, and WE KNOW they do not respect the Science, and he lied and said they did, and made false claims of what they had done, when fact is, Trump has opened more protected lands to drilling, and to make matters worst, has made killing various animals more accessible for trophy hunters, (which is a disgraceful regard for animal life, just some disgraceful act of putting animal's heads on walls).

When it comes to International Relations, his response was horrible, when Trump has pushed the concept of "America goes it alone", until THE RESPECT and TRUST of American has been severely damaged, while Trump submits himself fully to Putin, sucks up to Kim, and is in love with any dictator, to the point he wanted to stage a "Dictator Styled Military Parade, like Dictators Do". He insulted Germany in the most damaging of ways, which was a very strong allied nation, he attacked N.A.T.O., U.N. and Pulled us out of W.H.O.

Farmers were damaged to a level that many lost farms and other were forced into situation to fall under dominion of influence from Big Industry, Industrial Farming habits. American Farmers will have a deep challenge to recover that will take time, and some won't recover. American people pay more for goods, because of the Trade Debacles of Trump... and the Deficit has increased to $3.3 Trillion, the National Debt stands at $27 Trillion, and we have seen NO Infrastructure Projects, No Medical Plan and Program, and even in a Pandemic along with school shooting, NO massive increase to Schools.

Obama and Biden had a programs, HPRP (Homeless Prevention and Rapid Rehousing)... and in the middle of a pandemic, Trump ignored even considering to re-establish the programs while 22 Million People have lost jobs and many will at some point become homeless.
 
Her attacks on trump's record could have been more substantive.

Absolutely.

And she missed a chance to destroy Trump and Pence when Pence referred to the President's healthcare plan. Why didn't she say "The one he promised in 2015, and 2016, and 2017, and 2018, and 2 months ago"?
 
Absolutely.

And she missed a chance to destroy Trump and Pence when Pence referred to the President's healthcare plan. Why didn't she say "The one he promised in 2015, and 2016, and 2017, and 2018, and 2 months ago"?
She was not there to be on full out attack mode, she was presenting herself to America and letting American People know, she and Biden put American People foremost in their concerns, plans, policies and administrative agenda.... She did that very well!!! ("Women across the nation feel they were and are represented well in how she handled herself. Women in general know when to address a point, and many pick their time very carefully.... "Every Man should have learned that fact in their own relationships". Women are not men, they are women... they are not trying to be men, and they are very calculating in how they address matters, and they are as we all know, very effective in doing.)

We already know, many right winger have a pre-set attitude of calling black women, as being "angry"... and she was not going to play into their pre-judgmental prejudices. She can deal with those items on the Campaign Trail. There's plenty opportunity to address those things, and Pence gave her the avenue to do so, and she will do so with his own words exposing the Pence lie, because Trump does not have a health care plan, and his pretense that he does has already been proven that he does not. American people are not going to accept some last minute sham.

What the public knows is Trump and Republican are this very day "Attacking Universal Health Care In The Courts" as we sit here. They have nothing, but want to destroy what already exist. The same as they did with dismantling the Pandemic Team, Ignoring the Pandemic Play Book and Lying to the America people about the pandemics details he had back in January, and then Trump comes out even 9 months later, claiming it is no worst than the Flu, which Facebook had to remove because it was a Blatant Lie. He knew it was transmitted via "Airborne" means, and he still packed people into mask-less groups REPEATEDLY!!!
 
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I'll give this to Harris by a nose.

She could have and probably should have been more aggressive on Pence, particularly on the Supreme Court. Pence left himself wide open conflating Barrett's personal faith and religious fanaticism, and Harris didn't help herself with punting on whether to add justices to the Court.

But Pence went out of his way to make himself as unlikable as possible to everyone but his base. Backhanded compliments to Harris and RBG did him no favors after repeatedly cutting off the moderator. And apparently he still thinks it's 2016, maybe even 2012, given that he whined about Obama's allegedly slow economic recovery. Tip for Pence: You're not going to win this debate on the economy. You inherited the roaring Obama economy and fumbled it away. Find another line of attack.

We can argue back and forth over which candidate landed more blows. But what matters is not just how many blows landed but on what issues. Not many Americans care that much about SCOTUS, sadly. Nor do they care about trump's not paying taxes. Remember the bombshell report that was less than two weeks ago? Not many do.

What the average American does care about is how the coronavirus has derailed their lives with no end in sight. What they care about is whether the White House is going to finally do something other than tweetstorm or brag about a vaccine that has yet to be proven safe (Kamala's answer to whether she would get the vaccine was perfect). Pence simply could not shake the 200,000 deaths that Americans consistently blame trump for a lot more than they blame China, no matter how much Pence and the fascists insist otherwise.

Pence needed a game-changer. He didn't get one. All he got instead was a winged insect that respected the two-minute time limit more than he did.
 
Honestly, I don't remember much of what either of them said, but Kamala was a lot more authoritative with her body language and general demeanor. She looked much more vice presidential.
 
Vice presidents don't matter up until the president dies.

All they do is represent America at foreign funerals.
 
Vice presidents don't matter up until the president dies.

All they do is represent America at foreign funerals.
Good VP's do much more, because Good President's Empower Them to Act...

Trump wants to be a "one man show", so Pence can do nothing more than praise Trump, as we've seen for 4 yrs to a degree that he looks and acts like a 100% ass kisser, with not an independent though in his mind, because he's devoted to showing a mob like loyalty that he knows he better not even think of having a though that does not parrot Trump whether he's in public or private.

Biden, as VP had voice and authority was delegated to empower him to act!!!! He led the way on the Recovery, because Obama enthused him to be empowered to proceed. People seem to forget that Biden, was the last voice President Obama heard before decisions were made.

We know that will NEVER exist for a VP under Trump.
 
All Harris did was not answer questions and lie about President Trump. Julia Dreyfus made a joke about Pence having a fly on his head. Why did we not think of that? At first, it was funny. Then I thought about it and that goes to show you that democrats go all out to trick you.
 
I'll give this to Harris by a nose.

She could have and probably should have been more aggressive on Pence, particularly on the Supreme Court. Pence left himself wide open conflating Barrett's personal faith and religious fanaticism, and Harris didn't help herself with punting on whether to add justices to the Court.

But Pence went out of his way to make himself as unlikable as possible to everyone but his base. Backhanded compliments to Harris and RBG did him no favors after repeatedly cutting off the moderator. And apparently he still thinks it's 2016, maybe even 2012, given that he whined about Obama's allegedly slow economic recovery. Tip for Pence: You're not going to win this debate on the economy. You inherited the roaring Obama economy and fumbled it away. Find another line of attack.

We can argue back and forth over which candidate landed more blows. But what matters is not just how many blows landed but on what issues. Not many Americans care that much about SCOTUS, sadly. Nor do they care about trump's not paying taxes. Remember the bombshell report that was less than two weeks ago? Not many do.

What the average American does care about is how the coronavirus has derailed their lives with no end in sight. What they care about is whether the White House is going to finally do something other than tweetstorm or brag about a vaccine that has yet to be proven safe (Kamala's answer to whether she would get the vaccine was perfect). Pence simply could not shake the 200,000 deaths that Americans consistently blame trump for a lot more than they blame China, no matter how much Pence and the fascists insist otherwise.

Pence needed a game-changer. He didn't get one. All he got instead was a winged insect that respected the two-minute time limit more than he did.
American people are fully aware in these last 20 some days, that Trump is going to "do nothing", because for 9 months he has lied, denied and now is in the cycle to lie and deny all over again, after his failure brought the infection into the White House.... Therefore, "EXPECT NOTHING POSITIVE FROM TRUMP REGARDING ANYTHING, INCLUDING THIS VIRAL PANDEMIC.... he is out to do even greater damage with his continuing court challenge to health care that people need.

He is on TV this morning still unaware and in denial of the Ass he made of Himself and the Insult to America that his conduct at the last debate showed.
 
Who Let the fly in ?
 
All Harris did was not answer questions and lie about President Trump. Julia Dreyfus made a joke about Pence having a fly on his head. Why did we not think of that? At first, it was funny. Then I thought about it and that goes to show you that democrats go all out to trick you.
We've probably hear some Right Winger claim that the Fly was put there by Democrats.

Who the hell has a fly on their hair and they don't feel it. Geez!!!! The Fly likely told more about what was going every time Pence spoke.
 
Pence won, and won by a landslide. He brought facts to the debate and she brought theater.

Lots of facts that were lies/deliberate falsehoods, but he did bring some facts.

Just for example, he repeated the $2,000 average tax cut about 10 times. What he's doing is averaging tax cuts for people like Buffett or Trump with those at the middle or bottom. Median versus mean. It's a common trick to fool people and of course Pence chose to mislead, because that's who he is, and he works for Trump.
 
Sure when you pull the CDC pandemic observers out of China, bypass the the CDC as an information center, repudiate their detailed guidelines, take political control of their reports, cut their budget, publicly denigrate it and it’s civil leaders, the organization tends to be less effective.
NWRT
 
Pence won. Court packing, abortion, covid vaccine, supporting our troops, law and order, Burning Looting Murder. All won by Pence.
Harris could barely bring herself to utter a word about the riots and violence, even as a WI suburb was under assault from BLM.
AGAIN.
 
Harris was mostly a rehash of u founded allegations against Trump, plus tax increases and the Green New Shaft.
In the obama days here in California gas was getting close to $4 a gallon average. Now it’s $3.50 with the latest new round of taxes. So if Biden wins and ends fracking and drilling on federal land, then the prices of gasoline in California will be close to $5.00 a gallon every day price.

Their solution? Force everyone to buy a $30k electric vehicle. That is the Green New Shaft.

So you're giving Trump the benefit of the worldwide economic collapse from COVID and the price wars between the oil producers. Interesting.
 
Pence won. Court packing, abortion, covid vaccine, supporting our troops, law and order, Burning Looting Murder. All won by Pence.
Harris could barely bring herself to utter a word about the riots and violence, even as a WI suburb was under assault from BLM.
AGAIN.

Wisconsin is setting up a field hospital because COVID is surging there.
 
Lots of facts that were lies/deliberate falsehoods, but he did bring some facts.

Just for example, he repeated the $2,000 average tax cut about 10 times. What he's doing is averaging tax cuts for people like Buffett or Trump with those at the middle or bottom. Median versus mean. It's a common trick to fool people and of course Pence chose to mislead, because that's who he is, and he works for Trump.
The Average America got what may amount to $2.35 a day, and people making less than $10 hr... got even less..... (That won't even buy a soda and small size fries at McDonalds) and the Trade War Madness Driven Inflation was twice that.... so, the people suffered a deficit... and then were met again at tax time, unable to deduct their mortgage interest paid for the average American... (This means Banks could easily "Lie" about the Interest Profits they made)... Only the well to do and the wealthy got to use that deduction.

Across America, people who made 40K.... ended up paying taxes, and people who made 120K.... per household, likely paid more in taxes than Trump did.
 
Neither won. Both gave politician responses instead of direct answers to questions. At least this debate was more civil.
 
I only listened to the last 40 minutes, and I listened to it rather than watched it. I was very surprised at ow poorly they both sounded. Maybe I would have gotten a different vibe if I'd watched it, but I was pretty shocked at how bad they sounded. Pence sounded like someone told him "you don't have to know what you're saying, just say it like an asshole." And Harris had too many awkward pauses from what I remember.

I'd give it to Harris just because Pence is such a slimy POS but if I was an undecided voter I'm not sure who I would have thought won.
 
Lots of facts that were lies/deliberate falsehoods, but he did bring some facts.

Just for example, he repeated the $2,000 average tax cut about 10 times. What he's doing is averaging tax cuts for people like Buffett or Trump with those at the middle or bottom. Median versus mean. It's a common trick to fool people and of course Pence chose to mislead, because that's who he is, and he works for Trump.

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