who needs religion? (1 Viewer)

[mikhail]

im not doubting some kinda higher power but,im so happy to be alive it doesent matter if i live to my life expentancy 75 or whatever it doesent matter about an afterlife because ive enjoyed myself i dont hate anyone sometimes ive been sad.Overall i dont think i deserve some kind of afterlife for one thing i believe in logic,and another i am an animal like any other i dont need god in my life. If my life is down to god thankyou but im happy just to die and thats it if i could i would live forever but otherwise im happy with the time i have im not rich or poor but im fine.

so basically what im saying is is it selfish to ask for an afterlife?

 

[mikhail]

must add im very drunk. Also im a good looking guy so maybe im blessed

 

[stone2805]

sir, in response to your question who needs religion...everything needs religion-nothing is exempt. Religion, be it man/animal applies to everything. The happy life that you have described is the product of religion...it is the product of a series of events taken place throughout our history between individuals that have forged a unifying "love" for one another..be it only a moment.
I briefly noticed that you were from the United Kingdom...a history of religous bloodshed, a lifetime of undocumented love. Religion is love, Christianity is love, Islam, Hinduism, Judiaism (Allah, Yahweh, Jesus, Brahama) whatever you worship its ideals are the same. The media cannot show you this love.

Religion from an institutional perspective serves as a unifying force offering the "chosen" members solidarity and stability. The truth is there are no chosen members. "Jesus loves all the little children of the world, including Billy who is an atheist." Civilization needs religion. We are all quick to ask whether or not we need "god," do we need peace and love?
It is not selfish to ask for an afterlife. It is selfish to live a life of selfishness. It is not blashephemy to use logic.
If you have the funds-feed the poor, clothe the naked, shelter the homeless, that is religion my friend. Religion is not baptism, it is not communion, it is not jihad, it is not singing stupid ****ing hymns with people who may or may not value the true majesty of what they are singing to ... religion is peace, religion is love, religion is social justice...if an afterlife is what you are seeking than seek love...and provide it to the greatest number of souls that you can.

Nobody can prove an afterlife...but you sure as **** can prove that you fed a bum, comforted a leper, and saved a whore...that is what we need. Your afterlife exists today...your afterlife is love

 

[stone2805]

i'm drunk as well, and a straight good looking guy.

 

[Sir_Alec]

I don't need a ceremonial/ritualistic religion to keep me going. Organized religion is a joke to me. It would be a waste of my time. Even if I was 100% sure there was a higher power what says that it's all powerful or godlike. There is no proof for a God but then again there is no proof there is no God, BUT there is a tiny amount of evidence that our universe (alone and small among the vast megaverse) may have been influenced by forces beyond us such as Aliens, God, or Alex Trebeck.

 

[stone2805]

well I understand your grievances with ceremonial ritualistic organized religion. I am the product of a United Methodist Minister...I too have observed the hypocrisy of organized religion, I too have observed greatness done to others by the church-feeding the poor, sheltering the homeless, offering financial, emotional, mental, social, ect. support to billions. You along with billions are focusing on the wrong questions...whether or not a higher power, afterlife, or universal truth exists why must we focus on our superficial selfishness...this does nothing to promote the ideals laced in our "words" from god. What we do have is a testament, whether or not it be proven true we can respect that. Who says that you need to tell others how to live, who says that you need to worship in grandious structures, who says that you need to attend ritualistic ceremonies. You can be religous without the superficialness of organized religion. Feed the poor, shelter the homeless, compliment the meak, whatever you need to do to better the life of another individual than strive to do that...that is no joke.

 

[Jerry]

I’m not doubting some kind of higher power but, I'm so happy to be alive it doesn’t matter. If I live to my life expectancy (75 or whatever) it doesn’t matter about an afterlife because I’ve enjoyed myself. I don't hate anyone. Sometimes I’ve been sad. Overall I don't think I deserve some kind of afterlife. For one thing I believe in logic, and another I am an animal like any other. I don’t need God in my life. If my life is down to God, thank you, but I'm happy just to die. And that’s it if I could I would live forever, but otherwise I'm happy with the time I have. I’m not rich or poor but I’m fine.

So basically what I'm saying is: Is it selfish to ask for an afterlife?

No. Not at all.

Why do you believe that a belief in God is divorced from logic?

 

[Sir_Alec]

well I understand your grievances with ceremonial ritualistic organized religion. I am the product of a United Methodist Minister...I too have observed the hypocrisy of organized religion, I too have observed greatness done to others by the church-feeding the poor, sheltering the homeless, offering financial, emotional, mental, social, ect. support to billions. You along with billions are focusing on the wrong questions...whether or not a higher power, afterlife, or universal truth exists why must we focus on our superficial selfishness...this does nothing to promote the ideals laced in our "words" from god. What we do have is a testament, whether or not it be proven true we can respect that. Who says that you need to tell others how to live, who says that you need to worship in grandious structures, who says that you need to attend ritualistic ceremonies. You can be religous without the superficialness of organized religion. Feed the poor, shelter the homeless, compliment the meak, whatever you need to do to better the life of another individual than strive to do that...that is no joke.

Ok, I'll accept that.

 

[LeftyHenry]

Who gets drunk and then comes on an internet foruM?

 

[Apostle13]

well I understand your grievances with ceremonial ritualistic organized religion. I am the product of a United Methodist Minister...I too have observed the hypocrisy of organized religion, I too have observed greatness done to others by the church-feeding the poor, sheltering the homeless, offering financial, emotional, mental, social, ect. support to billions. You along with billions are focusing on the wrong questions...whether or not a higher power, afterlife, or universal truth exists why must we focus on our superficial selfishness...this does nothing to promote the ideals laced in our "words" from god. What we do have is a testament, whether or not it be proven true we can respect that. Who says that you need to tell others how to live, who says that you need to worship in grandious structures, who says that you need to attend ritualistic ceremonies. You can be religous without the superficialness of organized religion. Feed the poor, shelter the homeless, compliment the meak, whatever you need to do to better the life of another individual than strive to do that...that is no joke.

Nice post stone... Hypocrisy is oft morely attributed to the church, and rightly so for the most... Yet it is not a sole attribute. Neither should a religious group generalized, in either good or bad light, speak solely to a single individual amidst it in judgmental question...Whomevers.
Learn the parable of "The Wheat and Tares:"

-Another parable He set forth before them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field.
But while he was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed also darnel (weeds resembling wheat) among the wheat, and went on his way.
So when the plants sprouted and formed grain, the darnel (weeds) appeared also.
And the servants of the owner came to him and said, Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? Then how does it have darnel shoots in it?
He replied to them, An enemy has done this. The servants said to him, Then do you want us to go and weed them out?
But he said, No, lest in gathering the wild wheat (weeds resembling wheat), you root up the [true] wheat along with it.
Let them grow together until the harvest; and at harvest time I will say to the reapers, Gather the darnel first and bind it in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my granary.

 

[Apostle13]

Who gets drunk and then comes on an internet foruM?

I suspect kal-el half the time..:2razz: Whiskey and amphetamines how/why else would/could anyone espouse such crude hatred toward Christ/Christianity.

 

[cherokee]

who needs religion?

Hmm that’s a hard one..
How about Muslim men who feel the US has destroyed everything they should have looked forward too in life, you know every problem in the known world and then some. Like how we hate all Muslims worldwide and even how while in school we are taught how to oppress the Muslims of the world and how to kill them.

Those people need religion. To justify their own failure in life and blame others.
To justify killing people who have nothing to do with their own failures.
Oh I’m sorry I left out To justify having women slaves in this day and age.

How was that?

 

[Apostle13]

who needs religion?

Hmm that’s a hard one..
How about Muslim men who feel the US has destroyed everything they should have looked forward too in life, you know every problem in the known world and then some. Like how we hate all Muslims worldwide and even how while in school we are taught how to oppress the Muslims of the world and how to kill them.

Those people need religion. To justify their own failure in life and blame others.
To justify killing people who have nothing to do with their own failures.
Oh I’m sorry I left out To justify having women slaves in this day and age.

How was that?

Works for me..

 

[FallingPianos]

a lot of people seem to do just fine without it. people like it, but they dont need it.

 

[LeftyHenry]

I suspect kal-el half the time..:2razz: Whiskey and amphetamines how/why else would/could anyone espouse such crude hatred toward Christ/Christianity.

hmm maybe it's the hatred and scorn atheists experience everyday by christians. The stereotypes that atheists are some kind of Satanists, and the hipocrsy of the government which states there is a so called 'separation of church and state' despite the fact that I can't by a bag of chips without money which states 'in god we trust' or go to court without swearing on the bible.

 

[LeftyHenry]

If it wasn't for religion, billions of people would still be alive.

 

[Apostle13]

hmm maybe it's the hatred and scorn atheists experience everyday by christians.

A True Christian does/will not exhibit such behavior... Could be you are maybe mistaken my stated observation of kal-el as not being simply a joke/ploy to gain his attention to the thread..?

The stereotypes that atheists are some kind of Satanists

Haven't noticed.

the hipocrsy of the government which states there is a so called 'separation of church and state' despite the fact that I can't by a bag of chips without money which states 'in god we trust' or go to court without swearing on the bible.

Better for you I suppose to swear at the bible..? Umm... Wake up. Y'all already won that argument... Most courts no longer do that.
...And you know, I'm fairly sure they have chips in China.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

Who needs religion?

No one. No more than someone needs bed time stories.

Let's face it. Religion makes people feel good, and has nothing to do with the real world, except where other religious kooks use their own religion to justify one of their own heinous acts.

If you need to believe fantasies to make your day go by happier, then fine, you "need" religion. Not all of us have that defect, though.

 

[LeftyHenry]

A True Christian does/will not exhibit such behavior... Could be you are maybe mistaken my stated observation of kal-el as not being simply a joke/ploy to gain his attention to the thread..?:

I'm an atheist as well so I'm naturally going to respond.

confused: Haven't noticed. Better for you I suppose to swear at the bible..? Umm... Wake up. Y'all already won that argument... Most courts no longer do that.
...And you know, I'm fairly sure they have chips in China.

The point I was trying to make is that there is no separation of church and state, and it ticks me off.

 

[LeftyHenry]

Who needs religion?

No one. No more than someone needs bed time stories.

Let's face it. Religion makes people feel good, and has nothing to do with the real world, except where other religious kooks use their own religion to justify one of their own heinous acts.

If you need to believe fantasies to make your day go by happier, then fine, you "need" religion. Not all of us have that defect, though.

Perhaps the only time ever that I will completly agree with Scarecrow.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

Perhaps the only time ever that I will completly agree with Scarecrow.

That won't last long.

Socialism is a religion.

 

[Apostle13]

That won't last long.

Socialism is a religion.

Yes... And so too is athiesim... Like it or not.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

Yes... And so too is athiesim... Like it or not.

I don't debate subject's wherein my opponent is ignorant of the basic definitions used in the discussion.

Like it or not.

 

[FallingPianos]

I don't debate subject's wherein my opponent is ignorant of the basic definitions used in the discussion.

Like it or not.

funny you say this after calling socialism a religion.

 

[Apostle13]

funny you say this after calling socialism a religion.

Well... It is true that Scarecrows bend quite easily... They can put one foot in their mouth, while at the same time, the other in their a$$.