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I think it was the Romans, who were directly responsible, but the Jewish establishment had a hand in it as well.
I think that the religiously correct answer would be, that God chose to sacrifice his own son...for the sins of the world. The Romans, and the Jewish establishment are irrelevant.kal-el said:I think it was the Romans, who were directly responsible, but the Jewish establishment had a hand in it as well.
How can they be? If it weren't for the preists conditioned by the rabbis, and of course, the Roman soliders, taken orders from Pontius Pilate, Jesus would'nt have been killed in such a barbaric fashion.sLiPpY said:I think that the religiously correct answer would be, that God chose to sacrifice his own son...for the sins of the world. The Romans, and the Jewish establishment are irrelevant.
Did Jesus himself not know, while he was praying in the Garden? Is the Christian god, not omnipotent? The players in my understanding are irrelevant, in that it was expected, and allegedly part of God's plan. If it hadn't been for the Romans, and the rabbis...that plan would not have been fulfilled. And if Jesus had lived, all the Christians would be condemned to live eternally in sin.kal-el said:How can they be? If it weren't for the preists conditioned by the rabbis, and of course, the Roman soliders, taken orders from Pontius Pilate, Jesus would'nt have been killed in such a barbaric fashion.
Of course Jesus knew, but the fact that Jesus was God and God is "omnipotent" is where we differ in opinion on this subject. I don't understand, when you mention that the players in this are irrelevant, then you say that had it not been for them, the scriptures would'nt be fullfilled?sLiPpY said:Did Jesus himself not know, while he was praying in the Garden? Is the Christian god, not omnipotent? The players in my understanding are irrelevant, in that it was expected, and allegedly part of God's plan. If it hadn't been for the Romans, and the rabbis...that plan would not have been fulfilled. And if Jesus had lived, all the Christians would be condemned to live eternally in sin.
There are many interpretations of the story, in the realm of a subjectively negotiated mythology. The one that I have offered is generally accepted by Christians around the world.kal-el said:Of course Jesus knew, but the fact that Jesus was God and God is "omnipotent" is where we differ in opinion on this subject. I don't understand, when you mention that the players in this are irrelevant, then you say that had it not been for them, the scriptures would'nt be fullfilled?
Wow, I think you actually have a point there I can agree with. Makes sense to me.vergiss said:Uh. According to Christian belief, wasn't he supposed to die for your sins?
So if anything, you owe whoever killed him.
Jesus was a Jew.kal-el said:I think it was the Romans, who were directly responsible, but the Jewish establishment had a hand in it as well.
Agreed. There is another thread on this, but I believe the power elite of society would do their best to silence him.mixedmedia said:Wow, I think you actually have a point there I can agree with. Makes sense to me.
Then again, I am kind of impartial on the matter - don't have a stake in the outcome.
For my two cents, it was "the powers that were" that killed Christ. Just as they would do again today if they had the chance.
There's a thread on this? I can believe thatkal-el said:Agreed. There is another thread on this, but I believe the power elite of society would do their best to silence him.
Yes, I started a thread entited, "If Jesus would return" in the religion and philoshipy forum.mixedmedia said:There's a thread on this? I can believe that
I used to post on this site back in the day when it was about 1/4 the size it is now. I took a little hiatus (since March) and am a little flabbergasted at how much it has grown since then. I guess that's a good thing.....
Like your movie clip....didn't know you could do that.
SKILMATIC, I believe on another thread you said that the Jews are resposible for nailing Jesus to the cross, I disagree, I think it was the Roman soliders.SKILMATIC said:Yes God did sacrifice his own son however, the romans/jews did physically kill him.
I agree with both sides
True, but ask yourself this question. If it were not for the jews mumering and pleading to kill jesus would the roman soldiers even bother with this man?SKILMATIC, I believe on another thread you said that the Jews are resposible for nailing Jesus to the cross, I disagree, I think it was the Roman soliders.
IMO eventually they would have had enough of him. He was attenpting to overthrow their traditions and the way in which they conducted themselves. Pilate himself failed to claim responsibility, he even "washed his hands" of it, in all actuality it was the rabbis, who were conditioned by the Jewish fanatics, who were not directly responsible. It is the same scenario as in Nazi Germany, the SS conditioned the German population into fanatisicm.SKILMATIC said:True, but ask yourself this question. If it were not for the jews mumering and pleading to kill jesus would the roman soldiers even bother with this man?
Again I am not going to get in a pi$$ing contest with you about this casue I agree with both sides of this topic. I cant say you are wrong becasue you arent. Is that fair? If you think I disagree with you you are mistaken casue I dont.IMO eventually they would have had enough of him. He was attenpting to overthrow their traditions and the way in which they conducted themselves. Pilate himself failed to claim responsibility, he even "washed his hands" of it, in all actuality it was the rabbis, who were conditioned by the Jewish fanatics, who were not directly responsible. It is the same scenario as in Nazi Germany, the SS conditioned the German population into fanatisicm.
Lol, catholicism is chirstianity dude. :lol:I'm no chrisitan though but I was raised Catholic and that is what I learned.
So, you're basically Catholic in name, but reject the church in your own mind... you're basically a heretic, opposing the Church. Thats bad news, in my opinion, sorry.FinnMacCool said:I'm no chrisitan though but I was raised Catholic and that is what I learned.
No catholicism is a christian denomination. Thats what makes his statement so funny.So, you're basically Catholic in name, but reject the church in your own mind... you're basically a heretic, opposing the Church. Thats bad news, in my opinion, sorry.