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LOL....you don't even know how lack of a clue you have with this. I'm an attorney that works in the criminal courts. Perhaps I have a little better idea of what was going on in Los Angeles than someone behind the orange curtain who really had no connection to it at all.
Were you with the DA office back in 92 ?
Were you one of those liberals who after the riots who said, "It just civil disobedience" while celebrating along with the Crips and Bloods on the streets of Los Angeles.
The only city in America that celebrated the burning of a city and the mayhem, murder, arson and looting that took place.
Wow....you are full of drama today Apacherat. What's going on behind the orange curtain today that is creating all this drama with you?
No....I was not a DA, I was working as a public defender at the time. No I didn't celebrate...nor did most of the citizens of Los Angeles. Those participating in the riots and otherwise celebrating represent a miniscule percentile of the citizens that reside in Los Angeles County. But then again....why would I expect someone who hides locked behind the orange curtain to understand that?
So how many arsonist and looters did you defend ?
How many actually were convicted and sent to prison ?
If 90% who were arrested during the riots for looting were illegal aliens, how many were held for the INS and deported ?
Did you defend Damian "Football" Williams, the banger who smashed Reginal Denny's skull with a piece of concrete ?
No Arsonists
People charged with thefts from the riots - don't remember, it was so long ago, my recollection is 3 or 4
Your 90% claim here is laughable. Not even close to reality so I can't really respond to it (another drama queen moment?)
No, I did not defend Damian Williams.
Anything else you wanna know?
I do have to stand corrected, like you said it was a long time ago. It was 1/3 who were arrested were illegal aliens.
But why do you think during the riots, 100 LAPD officers were deputised as Deputy U.S. Marshals ?
>“At a Cabinet meeting today, Attorney General William P. Barr said nearly one-third of the first 6,000 [Los Angeles] riot suspects arrested and processed through the court system were illegal aliens, according to a senior Administration official. Barr has not proposed any special effort to have them deported, a Justice Department spokesman said.”<
—Washington Post, May 6, 1992
https://www.vdare.com/letters/a-cal...iots-and-the-deportations-that-didnt-happen-a
That sounds much more accurate.
I think it was that blacks were responsiable for 90% of the arson.
Just going from memory from a L.A. Times story from 1992.
You may have rememberd it, they had a map of L.A. County with a red dot representing every building that was set afire during the riots.
Remember after the riots when you drove around South L.A. and all of the immigrant communities ? Everyone was wearing brand new sneakers.
It was interesting watching it on television. The blacks first targeted the liqour stores while the illegal aliens went for the stores that had Pampers.
BS again.....the vast majority of the people living in South LA did not participate in looting....it was a handful few that caused the problems. As for your other contention about who targeted what.....where are you pulling this stuff out of? You really do need to get out more.
So parents and the media are the ones teaching kids to fear guns. And how do they do this exactly? What nefarious methods are they employing? And real life events play no role in their attitude on guns at all?
And why are you so unfamiliar with American history and the role guns played in it? And why are you ignoring my point in bringing up in the first place to counter your claims?
btw - I NEVER made a point saying that people who open carry have harmed others. That is not now and has never been my argument. So why in the world would I have to speak to your arguing against a strawman of your own creation? Why should I waste one second of my time providing evidence to a point that I never made in the first place?
By all means - when you counter my argument with anything of actual substance I will be happy to speak to it. Just please make sure it was my argument that you are countering in the first place. Do not throw something like this at me
since it was NEVER my argument in the first place.
Where are your examples of those guns being used to harm anyone in those public situations?
What, are you implying that kids are 'born' afraid of guns like some people have a fear of heights? Come on...you tell me why YOU think those kids are afraid at the very sight of a gun. I gave you my answer
You CLAIMED that frontier kids killed the race of people originally inhabiting this country. Do you want to stick with that?
Sadly all those who advocate open carry do not agree with you and as long as that motivation persists, it is a compelling reason to not allow it.
Ok, then what is your objection to open carrying in public?
Where do you have any sources that people are open carrying for intimidation purposes? Have any interviews?
I have not one smidgen of doubt lying, duplicitous, excuses for human beings are so scared out of their wits they are willing to endanger the public's safety and usurp their rights so if the public should find out about their underhand and corrupt dealings they cannot become angry and take it out on them. Politicians not worthy of employment have been doing this for years in order to ensure and usurp power making sure government holds the monopoly of power.
I think Thomas Jones Whitehall diaries presents the fear of these cowards as they mislead citizens with lies and endangerment of life without so much as pausing for breath.
Politicians for once facing armed citizens in public discourse my actually tell the truth. I would love to see them quaking at every answer. The world would be a better place. All governments should fear its citizens as it is citizens task to chastise or correct them when they do wrong.
South L.A. was just the flash point. Looting and arson was happening all over L.A. County where ever the population was dependent on government.
You may remember when the first of the month came and the welfare checks weren't being delivered because mail service was suspended, the looting and arson ended. You had mile long lines at the post offices.
You are so full of clichés and generalizations.....its really sad. The rioting only lasted a couple of days....how soon you forget. It wasn't "welfare checks being suspended" that stopped the looting...it was the fact that they finally got the national guard in. Plus.....the ones looting weren't all dependent on government. Looting is a mob mentality and a crime of opportunity. A lot of people with jobs were involved in the lootings as well.. But why would I expect you to know that? You seem content to live in your world of clichés and generalizations and myths.
My objection is a very simple one that is easy to understand. Recently we had a very well publicized event in Nevada where large numbers or rather heavily armed civilians descended in one area to help a rancher defy the American government. Some even took up sniper positions and were photographed doing it. Open carry allowed them to take the initial steps to do that. The government backed down and did not enforce the law of the land. That only invites anarchy and further defiance down the road. We have enough with the whacko's writing nonsense about a future rebellion against the government without letting these human buttwipes feel they can win using open carry as a vehicle to propel them.
That is one reason right off the front pages.
The other is perhaps more important to me because it can happen every day in every city and town in America where citizens have a right to express their opinion. This whole open carry cause celebre is very much a right wing thing. And spare me the history lesson about the Panthers back in the Sixties. It is now 2014 and we are not in Compton. For our system of government to work as it should, Americans must feel free to openly participate in the system expressing their true feelings and opinions without fear of intimidation or reprisal. When right wingers can change the very fabric of our society with open carry, people will no longer feel free or safe in defying their will and their extremism and their opinion. A dark cloud of silence will descend across the land and this is the what the far right wants. They know they are small in numbers compared to the majority so this is the only way they can "win" if that is what it can be called. Sadly, everybody else has to lose so they can win.
So there is a much more significant reason.
There are things which are painfully obvious on their face so that only a complete zealot in denial could miss them. But beyond that, the zealots of the far right love to shoot off their mouths. Right here on this very sight in the last few days a poster who pretty much is far right and almost exclusively posts ONLY in gun threads - openly replied to me stating that he wanted armed men to intimidate the people and their representatives.
here it is from poster Crimefree replying to me where I charged that intimidation of others was a motive of the open carry movement:
So this is not any secret.
Here is a news article on the matter played out in Texas
New Trajectory: "Open Carry" Intimidation
read the article and look at the photograph.
So parents and the media are the ones teaching kids to fear guns. And how do they do this exactly? What nefarious methods are they employing? And real life events play no role in their attitude on guns at all?
Insulting me does not negate a single thing I said. All it does is give evidence that you have no argument against my points.
And why are you so unfamiliar with American history and the role guns played in it?
You might have heard of this guy:
"I've also asked people who have influence over youngsters, entertainers, athletes to be involved in this program as well. But not only them, community leaders. Jesse Jackson, Mayor Barry, people who have credibility with young people should be on the television, on the radio, as much as we possibly can telling these young people that its wrong to carry a gun and if they have information about people who are carrying guns you've got to share that with Chief Thomas and with his people as well. I've also asked the school board to make a part of every day some kind of anti-violence, anti-gun message. Every day, every school at every level. One thing I think is clear with young people and with adults as well is that we just have to be repetitive about this. Its not enough to simply have a catchy ad on a Monday and then only do it every Monday. We need to do this every day of the week and really BRAINWASH people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way." - The Attorney General of the United States, Mr. Eric Holder.
The 2nd Amendment is enough argument against your anti-liberty points. Also, don't you ever find it curious how everyone always insults you?
We won our independence with them, an act I'm sure you find abhorrent. You'd have made a great Tory.
Wow, well thanks for being honest (I dont completely believe that, I think you are avoiding the whole 'intimidation thing for ordinary day to day situations.)
Anyway, altho I disagree with the rancher and those that formed up to support him AND the govt's very poor response, those that came armed to support the rancher believed that they were doing EXACTLY what the 2A was meant to enable.....resistance to govt tyranny. If they were 'complete zealots', they certainly restrained themselves, didnt they? Again, you fear so many 'what if' situations but back them up with little.
And you never answered me regarding, if people were out to intimidate....if that was important to gun owners...there are many many states where OC is legal, no permit required. Why dont we see it more? Why dont we see it all the time?
I know. Haymarket seems to imply that kids are born afraid of guns like it's a fear of heights or something. They are not. Kids LEARN to fear OR respect guns. And most of that comes from parents and school policies. They play plenty of violent video games.....they dont fear guns...they follow an adults lead out in public. I'm sure in the example he gave of the kids being so fearful that they were observing their chaparones and the chaparones scared them. I'd place a bet on it.
The 2nd Amendment is enough argument against your anti-liberty points. Also, don't you ever find it curious how everyone always insults you?
We won our independence with them, an act I'm sure you find abhorrent. You'd have made a great Tory.
No they did not. They took up arms against the federal government and should have been arrested and prosecuted for the offense.
I gave you several examples. One is too many and one American suffering intimidation is too many.
If you know of a study which documents this claim of yours I will be glad to see it. I already stated that ones fears and feelings come from a very wide set of experiences that do include family and media but encompass much much more in their lives.
No they did not. They took up arms against the federal government and should have been arrested and prosecuted for the offense.
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