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Who invented Guccifer 2.0, the Russians or the crooked democrats?

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It was the democrats. They invented Guccifer 2.0 to try to create the illusion that he hacked the DNC computers to give the stolen emails to Assange who later released them to their utter embarrassment and shame. They got the idea from Guccifer 1 who went to prison for computer hacking and, through his work, discovered and first revealed to the world that Hillary was using an illegal home server to conduct business as SOS.

Guccifer 2.0 is a lie. Democrats were trying to do damage control from the release of their very dirty laundry by Assange. They were also covering up the assassination of the man who actually collected those emails from inside the DNC and gave them to Assange. Democrats, leftists, liberals, Obamanites and assorted enemies of the state have all with one voice claimed Guccifer 2.0 was a Russian conglomerate who hacked the DNC computers and not an insider. That simply is not true.

Very few Americans have a clue about which reports are factual and which reports are lies. That is sad. They don't know that no government investigators have ever examined the DNC computers for evidence, which is the absolutely first thing which should have been done. Democrats do not want the evidence to be uncovered. They are having great crooked lying success propagating their own lying narratives about the whole matter.
 
It was the democrats. They invented Guccifer 2.0 to try to create the illusion that he hacked the DNC computers to give the stolen emails to Assange who later released them to their utter embarrassment and shame. They got the idea from Guccifer 1 who went to prison for computer hacking and, through his work, discovered and first revealed to the world that Hillary was using an illegal home server to conduct business as SOS.

Guccifer 2.0 is a lie. Democrats were trying to do damage control from the release of their very dirty laundry by Assange. They were also covering up the assassination of the man who actually collected those emails from inside the DNC and gave them to Assange. Democrats, leftists, liberals, Obamanites and assorted enemies of the state have all with one voice claimed Guccifer 2.0 was a Russian conglomerate who hacked the DNC computers and not an insider. That simply is not true.

Very few Americans have a clue about which reports are factual and which reports are lies. That is sad. They don't know that no government investigators have ever examined the DNC computers for evidence, which is the absolutely first thing which should have been done. Democrats do not want the evidence to be uncovered. They are having great crooked lying success propagating their own lying narratives about the whole matter.

I totally believe it. I was having tea with Vladimir Putin just the other day and he presented very solid evidence that this is indeed the case. He showed me photos, a couple cell phone videos, a whole ream of emails, and so on. All the bad stuff Russia is accused of? Nah. It's the democrats.
 
If the title of an article is a question (horrendous in and of itself, but still...), one cannot answer that question in the very first sentence of the article. That's completely asinine.
 
I totally believe it. I was having tea with Vladimir Putin just the other day and he presented very solid evidence that this is indeed the case. He showed me photos, a couple cell phone videos, a whole ream of emails, and so on. All the bad stuff Russia is accused of? Nah. It's the democrats.

What was so stupid is that Guccifer 2 tried to get republicans to take information from him that was already public. Nobody on the Trump team fell for that democrat entrapment trick because it was so stupidly handled. Nobody has provided irrefutable proof that Guccifer 2 is any person, group or entity seriously involved in hacking the DNC computers. Democrats claimed their computers were hacked but they adamantly refused to allow investigators to look into it to prove that one way or the other. Democrats cooked up this whole Russian/Trump collusion conspiracy theory nonsense and hordes of followers are believing the lies without question, reasoning, or good common sense.
 
If the title of an article is a question (horrendous in and of itself, but still...), one cannot answer that question in the very first sentence of the article. That's completely asinine.

Guccifer 1 was a real guy. He is the guy who first exposed the fact that Hillary was using an illegal server to conduct SOS business. He also went to prison for hacking into Hillary's crappy server, just like the Chinese and likely every other government on earth did. Guccifer 2 was stupid, inept, and silly. He was not smart enough to hack into anything, judging by his correspondence with republicans he tried to set up collusion with. No republican fell for his stupid overtures. That is why I say Guccifer 2 was a stupid democrat invention.

Roger Stone suggested something similar and he has never been proven wrong about that.
 
It was the democrats. They invented Guccifer 2.0 to try to create the illusion that he hacked the DNC computers to give the stolen emails to Assange who later released them to their utter embarrassment and shame. They got the idea from Guccifer 1 who went to prison for computer hacking and, through his work, discovered and first revealed to the world that Hillary was using an illegal home server to conduct business as SOS.

Guccifer 2.0 is a lie. Democrats were trying to do damage control from the release of their very dirty laundry by Assange. They were also covering up the assassination of the man who actually collected those emails from inside the DNC and gave them to Assange. Democrats, leftists, liberals, Obamanites and assorted enemies of the state have all with one voice claimed Guccifer 2.0 was a Russian conglomerate who hacked the DNC computers and not an insider. That simply is not true.

Very few Americans have a clue about which reports are factual and which reports are lies. That is sad. They don't know that no government investigators have ever examined the DNC computers for evidence, which is the absolutely first thing which should have been done. Democrats do not want the evidence to be uncovered. They are having great crooked lying success propagating their own lying narratives about the whole matter.

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It was the democrats. They invented Guccifer 2.0 to try to create the illusion that he hacked the DNC computers to give the stolen emails to Assange who later released them to their utter embarrassment and shame. They got the idea from Guccifer 1 who went to prison for computer hacking and, through his work, discovered and first revealed to the world that Hillary was using an illegal home server to conduct business as SOS.

Guccifer 2.0 is a lie. Democrats were trying to do damage control from the release of their very dirty laundry by Assange. They were also covering up the assassination of the man who actually collected those emails from inside the DNC and gave them to Assange. Democrats, leftists, liberals, Obamanites and assorted enemies of the state have all with one voice claimed Guccifer 2.0 was a Russian conglomerate who hacked the DNC computers and not an insider. That simply is not true.

Very few Americans have a clue about which reports are factual and which reports are lies. That is sad. They don't know that no government investigators have ever examined the DNC computers for evidence, which is the absolutely first thing which should have been done. Democrats do not want the evidence to be uncovered. They are having great crooked lying success propagating their own lying narratives about the whole matter.

An opinion cloaked as a statement of fact. Thanks for playing.
 
An opinion cloaked as a statement of fact. Thanks for playing.

What are some of the unproven opinions being bandied about?

That Guccifer 2.0, a still as yet unknown entity, is related to Guccifer 1.0, a real entity. That has not been verified and will not likely be verified given the democrat's refusal to let forensics experts examine the evidence.

That Guccifer 2.0 was contacted by republicans before Guccifer 2.0 initiated those contacts, indicating a motivation to somehow implicate republicans in some sort of illegal hacking, which is a lie. There is no proof that Guccifer 2.0 did any hacking and there is especially no evidence that any republican conspired with Guccifer 2.0 to do any hacking. The evidence shows that Guccifer 2.0 attempted to engage republicans for the purpose of framing them in a way the democrats could use to support their lying narrative about Russian collusion

Guccifer 2.0 suddenly showed up only after democrats first floated the unfounded rumor that Russia was behind the release of the DNC emails, a claim which has never been fully corroborated by expert unbiased investigations. What has been released has been the investigative reports of firms hired by the democrats who refused to let government forensics examiners examine the evidence instead. That speaks of possible corruption and collusion on the part of the democrats to disseminate false information.

Democrat operatives made several attempts to initiate contact with Trump associates in what clearly looks like an attempt to trick them into some sort of appearance of corrupt collusion with Russia, which never proved successful for the crooked democrats.
 
What are some of the unproven opinions being bandied about?

That Guccifer 2.0, a still as yet unknown entity, is related to Guccifer 1.0, a real entity. That has not been verified and will not likely be verified given the democrat's refusal to let forensics experts examine the evidence.

That Guccifer 2.0 was contacted by republicans before Guccifer 2.0 initiated those contacts, indicating a motivation to somehow implicate republicans in some sort of illegal hacking, which is a lie. There is no proof that Guccifer 2.0 did any hacking and there is especially no evidence that any republican conspired with Guccifer 2.0 to do any hacking. The evidence shows that Guccifer 2.0 attempted to engage republicans for the purpose of framing them in a way the democrats could use to support their lying narrative about Russian collusion

Guccifer 2.0 suddenly showed up only after democrats first floated the unfounded rumor that Russia was behind the release of the DNC emails, a claim which has never been fully corroborated by expert unbiased investigations. What has been released has been the investigative reports of firms hired by the democrats who refused to let government forensics examiners examine the evidence instead. That speaks of possible corruption and collusion on the part of the democrats to disseminate false information.

Democrat operatives made several attempts to initiate contact with Trump associates in what clearly looks like an attempt to trick them into some sort of appearance of corrupt collusion with Russia, which never proved successful for the crooked democrats.

In fact all of them will be "unproven" to some extent until Mueller makes his case. However, still does not change that you have presented an Opinion as a Statement of Fact.

In fact, you had no choice. You cannot prove a negative. You cannot prove Guccifer 2.0 IS NOT a Russian asset, officer or agent.
 
An opinion cloaked as a statement of fact. Thanks for playing.

You are welcome. I'm always ready to help by contributing to the Trump/Russia collusion democrat unsupported conspiracy theory forum.
 
In fact all of them will be "unproven" to some extent until Mueller makes his case. However, still does not change that you have presented an Opinion as a Statement of Fact.

In fact, you had no choice. You cannot prove a negative. You cannot prove Guccifer 2.0 IS NOT a Russian asset, officer or agent.

DNC "lone hacker" Guccifer 2.0 pegged as Russian spy after opsec fail https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...r-2-0-pegged-as-russian-spy-after-opsec-fail/

Just as the democrat "Russian dossier" fake spy document was used to deceive courts into illegally allowing the Obama team to spy on Trump and associates, the "Guccifer 2.0" fake persona was created by Crowd Strike, the infamous investigative agency hired by democrats to promote the democrat lies concerning Trump/Russian collusion. Here is a quote:

Soon after the June 2016 announcement by CrowdStrike that the Democratic national Committee's network had been the victim of a long-runnign breach perpetrsrted by Russian intelligence agencies, someone going by the name "Guccifer 2.0" suddenly materialized to take credit for the breach.

No official law enforcement agency in the country ever found any evidence of Trump/Russian collusion. The lying conspiracy theory was invented by democrats and supported by liars at CrowdStrike who convinced so many Americans, both public and private, that their democrat lies were the official truth.

How convenient. Democrat secrets were stolen by an insider and given to Assange. Seth Rich is murdered. Panicked democrats go into hyperactive spin mode attempting to do damage control. They first deny American law enforcement investigators access to key computers holding valuable essential evidence. They then hire a partisan group to do a fake investigation of the breach and blame it on the Russians. They then invent the mysterious "Guccifer 2.0" entity to deceive Americans into thinking someone real hacked into the computers. They then had Christopher Steele fabricate a lying spy document and hired friendlies to try to infiltrate the Trump camp and create scenarios which they could use to claim the Trump insiders were helping Trump do dirty deeds to harm "poor, innocent Hillary." They were busy, busy, busy.
 
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Who invented Guccifer 2.0, the Russians or the crooked democrats?


Must be the Russians and/or republicans; there aren't that many crooked democrats.
 
DNC "lone hacker" Guccifer 2.0 pegged as Russian spy after opsec fail https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...r-2-0-pegged-as-russian-spy-after-opsec-fail/

Just as the democrat "Russian dossier" fake spy document was used to deceive courts into illegally allowing the Obama team to spy on Trump and associates, the "Guccifer 2.0" fake persona was created by Crowd Strike, the infamous investigative agency hired by democrats to promote the democrat lies concerning Trump/Russian collusion. Here is a quote:

Soon after the June 2016 announcement by CrowdStrike that the Democratic national Committee's network had been the victim of a long-runnign breach perpetrsrted by Russian intelligence agencies, someone going by the name "Guccifer 2.0" suddenly materialized to take credit for the breach.

No official law enforcement agency in the country ever found any evidence of Trump/Russian collusion. The lying conspiracy theory was invented by democrats and supported by liars at CrowdStrike who convinced so many Americans, both public and private, that their democrat lies were the official truth.

How convenient. Democrat secrets were stolen by an insider and given to Assange. Seth Rich is murdered. Panicked democrats go into hyperactive spin mode attempting to do damage control. They first deny American law enforcement investigators access to key computers holding valuable essential evidence. They then hire a partisan group to do a fake investigation of the breach and blame it on the Russians. They then invent the mysterious "Guccifer 2.0" entity to deceive Americans into thinking someone real hacked into the computers. They then had Christopher Steele fabricate a lying spy document and hired friendlies to try to infiltrate the Trump camp and create scenarios which they could use to claim the Trump insiders were helping Trump do dirty deeds to harm "poor, innocent Hillary." They were busy, busy, busy.

Did you forget some of your meds? I mean, even for a Trump sicophant, this is particularly deluded and unhinged.:roll:
 
DNC "lone hacker" Guccifer 2.0 pegged as Russian spy after opsec fail https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...r-2-0-pegged-as-russian-spy-after-opsec-fail/

Just as the democrat "Russian dossier" fake spy document was used to deceive courts into illegally allowing the Obama team to spy on Trump and associates, the "Guccifer 2.0" fake persona was created by Crowd Strike, the infamous investigative agency hired by democrats to promote the democrat lies concerning Trump/Russian collusion. Here is a quote:

Soon after the June 2016 announcement by CrowdStrike that the Democratic national Committee's network had been the victim of a long-runnign breach perpetrsrted by Russian intelligence agencies, someone going by the name "Guccifer 2.0" suddenly materialized to take credit for the breach.

No official law enforcement agency in the country ever found any evidence of Trump/Russian collusion. The lying conspiracy theory was invented by democrats and supported by liars at CrowdStrike who convinced so many Americans, both public and private, that their democrat lies were the official truth.

How convenient. Democrat secrets were stolen by an insider and given to Assange. Seth Rich is murdered. Panicked democrats go into hyperactive spin mode attempting to do damage control. They first deny American law enforcement investigators access to key computers holding valuable essential evidence. They then hire a partisan group to do a fake investigation of the breach and blame it on the Russians. They then invent the mysterious "Guccifer 2.0" entity to deceive Americans into thinking someone real hacked into the computers. They then had Christopher Steele fabricate a lying spy document and hired friendlies to try to infiltrate the Trump camp and create scenarios which they could use to claim the Trump insiders were helping Trump do dirty deeds to harm "poor, innocent Hillary." They were busy, busy, busy.

None of that amounts to a hill of beans. The only way to prove a negative is by proving a positive as in proving the identity of Guccifer 2.0. Anything less than that is opinion, plan and simple opinion.
 
The US intelligence community has identified Guccifer 2.0 and DC Leaks as Russian meddling operations.
 
It was the democrats. They invented Guccifer 2.0 to try to create the illusion that he hacked the DNC computers to give the stolen emails to Assange who later released them to their utter embarrassment and shame. They got the idea from Guccifer 1 who went to prison for computer hacking and, through his work, discovered and first revealed to the world that Hillary was using an illegal home server to conduct business as SOS.

Guccifer 2.0 is a lie. Democrats were trying to do damage control from the release of their very dirty laundry by Assange. They were also covering up the assassination of the man who actually collected those emails from inside the DNC and gave them to Assange. Democrats, leftists, liberals, Obamanites and assorted enemies of the state have all with one voice claimed Guccifer 2.0 was a Russian conglomerate who hacked the DNC computers and not an insider. That simply is not true.

Very few Americans have a clue about which reports are factual and which reports are lies. That is sad. They don't know that no government investigators have ever examined the DNC computers for evidence, which is the absolutely first thing which should have been done. Democrats do not want the evidence to be uncovered. They are having great crooked lying success propagating their own lying narratives about the whole matter.

Thank you Mr. Putin for visiting our little board. I would however tell you that we don't believe any of you lies and will do our best to destroy your dictatorship and free the Russian people from your murderous rule.
 
Thank you Mr. Putin for visiting our little board. I would however tell you that we don't believe any of you lies and will do our best to destroy your dictatorship and free the Russian people from your murderous rule.

Who told you I was Putin? Comrade Hillary? She is such a doll, isn't she? She will do anything for money. What a woman, Jah?
 
DNC "lone hacker" Guccifer 2.0 pegged as Russian spy after opsec fail https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...r-2-0-pegged-as-russian-spy-after-opsec-fail/

Just as the democrat "Russian dossier" fake spy document was used to deceive courts into illegally allowing the Obama team to spy on Trump and associates, the "Guccifer 2.0" fake persona was created by Crowd Strike, the infamous investigative agency hired by democrats to promote the democrat lies concerning Trump/Russian collusion. Here is a quote:

Soon after the June 2016 announcement by CrowdStrike that the Democratic national Committee's network had been the victim of a long-runnign breach perpetrsrted by Russian intelligence agencies, someone going by the name "Guccifer 2.0" suddenly materialized to take credit for the breach.

No official law enforcement agency in the country ever found any evidence of Trump/Russian collusion. The lying conspiracy theory was invented by democrats and supported by liars at CrowdStrike who convinced so many Americans, both public and private, that their democrat lies were the official truth.

How convenient. Democrat secrets were stolen by an insider and given to Assange. Seth Rich is murdered. Panicked democrats go into hyperactive spin mode attempting to do damage control. They first deny American law enforcement investigators access to key computers holding valuable essential evidence. They then hire a partisan group to do a fake investigation of the breach and blame it on the Russians. They then invent the mysterious "Guccifer 2.0" entity to deceive Americans into thinking someone real hacked into the computers. They then had Christopher Steele fabricate a lying spy document and hired friendlies to try to infiltrate the Trump camp and create scenarios which they could use to claim the Trump insiders were helping Trump do dirty deeds to harm "poor, innocent Hillary." They were busy, busy, busy.

How do you have more information than every intelligence agency in the U.S.?
 
Who told you I was Putin? Comrade Hillary? She is such a doll, isn't she? She will do anything for money. What a woman, Jah?

I don't know who you are I only know what you write is straight out of the Kremlin....Comrade. If you are an American you should be ashamed for pissing on everything we hold dear. I can't wait until all of your kind crawl back into your holes. It won't be long either.
 
How do you have more information than every intelligence agency in the U.S.?

People who read the newspaper know that officials from every intelligence gathering agency under Obama have declared that they found no evidence of Trump/Russian collusion. The only ones claiming collusion are the democrats who started that rumor and ClrowdStrike who was paid by democrats to perpetuate that rumor.
 
People who read the newspaper know that officials from every intelligence gathering agency under Obama have declared that they found no evidence of Trump/Russian collusion. The only ones claiming collusion are the democrats who started that rumor and ClrowdStrike who was paid by democrats to perpetuate that rumor.

What newspapers are you reading? Because all of the ones I read have articles EVERY DAY discussing the evidence of Donald Trump's collusion with Russia.
 
I don't know who you are I only know what you write is straight out of the Kremlin....Comrade. If you are an American you should be ashamed for pissing on everything we hold dear. I can't wait until all of your kind crawl back into your holes. It won't be long either.

I piss on abortion. I piss on homosexuality. I piss on sexual immorality. I piss on socialism and communism. I piss on out of bounds government extortion of business funds. I piss on lying, gambling, stealing, cheating, violence and disrespect for God Bless American authorities including cops, ICE enforcement agents and President Trump.
 
What newspapers are you reading? Because all of the ones I read have articles EVERY DAY discussing the evidence of Donald Trump's collusion with Russia.

Who among federal intelligence officials claimed to have irrefutable evidence of Trump/Russian collusion and where did he find the evidence, from CrowdStrike reports? Here are some who are on record saying they found no evidence of Trump/Russian collusion:

House Intelligence report
Bob Woodward
Peter Strzok
Maxine Waters
Richard Burr
James Clapper
Devin Nunes
Mike Conaway

Here are some who claim evidence of Russian/Trump collusion exists somewhere:

Adam Schiff
Hillary Clinton
John Brennan
CrowdStrike
Thousands of mainstream leftist democrat media spokesmouths
 
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