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Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

Who is at fault for the shutdown?

  • Republicans

    Votes: 87 45.3%
  • Democrats

    Votes: 32 16.7%
  • Both

    Votes: 65 33.9%
  • Neither

    Votes: 8 4.2%

  • Total voters
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Who, in your opinion, is primarily at fault for the shutdown?
 

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There's no poll yet but I think it's ridiculous neither side can compromise. Yes, there are provisions that need to be worked out but why did the ones who oppose it not only wait until the last minute but have no alternative to bring to the table. Something needs to be done with healthcare and while Obamacare isn't perfect it's a start and maybe we should give it a try and if it doesn't work, then fix it.
 

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If both sides agree that the debt ceiling needs to be raised, then what exactly are the Dems supposed to compromise on?
 

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Easy, it's the republicans fault. They are being unreasonable and childish pricks.
 

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Easy, it's the republicans fault. They are being unreasonable and childish pricks.

And the Dems refusing anything other than exactly what they want is not unreasonable and childish prickisness?
 

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I said in other threads. The USA should adopt UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE as per other federations in Europe. Austria or Germany are great examples of highly functional, top tier healthcare systems.

They both consistently rank in the top 10 world's best healthcare systems and are CHEAPER both in terms of public spending % and in terms of per capita costs.
So adopting UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE (which is NOT obamacare because obamacare is mandatory insurance) would be a win for everyone.
The republicans would manage to cut costs at the federal level, something they keep saying they want to do. They'd half the costs of healthcare... huge saving.
The democrats would be happy because everyone would be insured and everyone would have access to healthcare if they truly do care about this.
And the people will be happy because their congress would do smth for once that would be in their best interest.
 

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There's no poll yet but I think it's ridiculous neither side can compromise. Yes, there are provisions that need to be worked out but why did the ones who oppose it not only wait until the last minute but have no alternative to bring to the table. Something needs to be done with healthcare and while Obamacare isn't perfect it's a start and maybe we should give it a try and if it doesn't work, then fix it.

No one waited until the last minute...this has been an ongoing battle. Obamacare brings in too many things that are detrimental to the country to just "give it a try" when the main positives of it can be addressed in far simpler means.
 

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Obviously Republicans
 

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No one waited until the last minute...this has been an ongoing battle. Obamacare brings in too many things that are detrimental to the country to just "give it a try" when the main positives of it can be addressed in far simpler means.

So how come such a simple alternative plan wasn't brought in by republicans months or even years ago? Obamacare wasn't signed into law yesterday.
 

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Basically it's a spending bill that should have easily passed, but the House Republicans attached to it the defunding of Obamacare, a non-starter in the Senate. It would be as if the Senate attached an assault rifle ban to the spending bill and sent it to the House.
 

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And the Dems refusing anything other than exactly what they want is not unreasonable and childish prickisness?

Hasn't Obama Care already been amended by Republicans before it became law?
 

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I voted for the Republicans. I love the Tea Party, but they engineered this with horrible political strategy. They got the Senate red state Dems to vote for Obamacare again, that should have been the goal. The government shutdown takes the focus off that.
 

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I said in other threads. The USA should adopt UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE as per other federations in Europe. Austria or Germany are great examples of highly functional, top tier healthcare systems.

They both consistently rank in the top 10 world's best healthcare systems and are CHEAPER both in terms of public spending % and in terms of per capita costs.
So adopting UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE (which is NOT obamacare because obamacare is mandatory insurance) would be a win for everyone.
The republicans would manage to cut costs at the federal level, something they keep saying they want to do. They'd half the costs of healthcare... huge saving.
The democrats would be happy because everyone would be insured and everyone would have access to healthcare if they truly do care about this.
And the people will be happy because their congress would do smth for once that would be in their best interest.

You're beating a dead horse. Of course universal healthcare -- while imperfect -- is the best option out there. But that is a humongous change for Americans at once.
 

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Hasn't Obama Care already been amended by Republicans before it became law?

There was nothing of any substance proposed by Republicans included in Obamacare, and it was passed with unanimous Republican opposition.
 

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You see, it's not healthcare Republicans oppose.


No only the one signed into law by a Democrat. :2razz:

Come on, you have to admit if things were different and it is the same bill but is called 'Romneycare' everyone who opposes ACA now would love it and everyone who supports it would hate it.
 

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No only the one signed into law by a Democrat. :2razz:

Yes, because it proposes economy killing taxes and forces job cuts. Not to mention it forces Americans to buy (and pay for themselves) health insurance.

Come on, you have to admit if things were different and it is the same bill but is called 'Romneycare' everyone who opposes ACA now would love it and everyone who supports it would hate it.

Not if it included the mandate to buy insurance, the taxes it creates, or the impact on jobs. :shrug:
 

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There's no poll yet but I think it's ridiculous neither side can compromise. Yes, there are provisions that need to be worked out but why did the ones who oppose it not only wait until the last minute but have no alternative to bring to the table. Something needs to be done with healthcare and while Obamacare isn't perfect it's a start and maybe we should give it a try and if it doesn't work, then fix it.

Republicans HAVE been bringing multiple options to the table, the only ones who aren't compromising are the Democrats and our lousy unqualified, idiotic President.
 

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And the Dems refusing anything other than exactly what they want is not unreasonable and childish prickisness?

They're willing to compromise, just not on the Affordable Care Act. The republicans know they can't get a budget through that defunds that law but instead of being adults and keeping the government running, which is their job, they decide to act like children and bitch and moan.
 

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We need to participate in politics a lot more.
We need to push for campaign and campaign finance reform.
 

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They're willing to compromise, just not on the Affordable Care Act. The republicans know they can't get a budget through that defunds that law but instead of being adults and keeping the government running, which is their job, they decide to act like children and bitch and moan.

That's rediculous considering that Obamacare is the only point of contention. Republicans have sent several compromise bills to the Senate and the Senate has flat refused to negotiate. It is the Dems in the Senate that are acting like children.
 

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Basically it's a spending bill that should have easily passed, but the House Republicans attached to it the defunding of Obamacare, a non-starter in the Senate. It would be as if the Senate attached an assault rifle ban to the spending bill and sent it to the House.

Exactly. and if the precedent is set, both sides will hold the budget hostage to get what they want.
 
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